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Why Articles about Skip Charles?
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julieca · 16/12/2021 18:59

Why do we have press articles and comments calling for the RF line to skip over Charles, and go straight to William?
If you support the RF, then the whole point is it is hereditary. You don't get to choose. If Andrew had been next in line, he would become King after the Queen died.
It isn't a popularity contest or even who we think would be best for the job, it is literálly an inherited position.

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StormzyinaTCup · 16/12/2021 20:52

Xmas Grin Xmas Wink

I think PC will take the role because it’s protocol but only for a few years and then pass it on to PW (maybe when PW children are older eg. finished their education). I’d put money on there having already been a discussion between the two along those type of lines.

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julieca · 16/12/2021 20:57

I really don't think Charles would ever abdicate.

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StormzyinaTCup · 16/12/2021 21:16

He isn't stupid though, he knows he could be well north of 75, possibly even 80, before he sees the throne and I’m not sure his health is as robust as his mothers. He is probably reasonably tuned in to what people are saying about the Queen, a lot of comments saying she should be allowed to retire to enjoy her dotage etc and maybe he agrees with that. Maybe PC would have liked to have stepped up earlier and therefore will allow PW the opportunity when the time is right.

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julieca · 16/12/2021 21:21

The Queen is 95 and only able to do a small number of engagements now. Charles is 73 years old. He could be 74 or 75 by the time he is KIng. He could be King for fifteen years.

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EdithWeston · 16/12/2021 21:28

Prince George is only 8. It wouid be a shame if he did not get a few years as a young adult doing something (military, or flying like his father) before the bars of the guided cage snap shut.

Prince Charles has longevity on both father's and mother's side, so a reign of 15-20 years or more seems perfectly possible

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StormzyinaTCup · 16/12/2021 21:35

Assuming that he did take the throne at 75 then a 15 years reign is really not that long in the scheme of things and that would take it nicely up to around about when Louis would finish his education and William would be early/mid 50s. Sounds ok to me.

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julieca · 16/12/2021 21:38

It is irrelevant to the institution how long Charles lives. He will be King. He won't abdicate. When he does William will be King. And then George, and so on.
It is hereditary.
If we were going to choose who could be Monarch, then I wouldn't choose any of the current RF. But that is not how it works.

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ditalini · 16/12/2021 21:53

It also misses the fact that being Queen/King isn't necessarily a lovely treat that you're desperate to get for yourself (well of course you're not because it means your parent has died), or pass on to your child with all the pressure that entails.

George is 8 years old. Prince Charles will be more aware than anyone of the pressures of growing up as heir to the throne - I can't imagine he's desperate for his grandson to have the same experience.

Personally, I think it's a hideous thing that a small boy, the same age as my own son, has his life mapped out in such stifling fashion. I'd abolish the monarchy for that alone.

However, the crown is generally for life. Generally monarchs don't go, nah don't fancy this any more and retire to the country. People are crazy to think there will be any shuffling around from the line of succession for any reason other than severe incapacity.

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StormzyinaTCup · 16/12/2021 22:01

It is irrelevant to the institution how long Charles lives. He will be King. He won't abdicate. When he does William will be King. And then George, and so on.
It is hereditary

Well yes that’s how it works. If people don’t like that aspect, then the only other viable choice is to push for a republic and do away with the whole RF. I can’t say I’m overly fussed either way although I do have a lot of respect for the Queen.

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NarcissaMalfoysManicure · 16/12/2021 22:12

You can dismiss this as rubbish but you’ll see it come to pass. This is War of the Waleses part 2.

Theese articles are Middleton press briefing (via people like Camilla Tominey) coupled with briefing from W himself. The endgame is to give William the better public profile but they’re playing different strategies.

W is gearing up to live separately from K after QEII passes - the Middletons are desperately trying to push K as ready to be queen. She is not and is seen within courts/aristo circles as lazy and ill-prepared. W himself is trying to use what remains of public illwill against Charles and (especially) Camilla to boost his profile with the public.

Charles will not skip the throne, like QEII will not abdicate. William knows both these things. Charles will likely withhold the POW title from W until he deems him ready. The bargain will probably involve stepping up and losing the spendthrift wife. The press wars between Kensington P and C House (and eventually Camp Middleton after W gives K the push) will go on as long as there’s a monarchy.

Keep an eye on how the royal press coverage is changing - Kate being described as “mutton” in a fashion article, the Duchess Doolittle nickname is back. William’s camp is feeding this. William is described as “enraged” a lot as Charles is trying to portray him as irrational and immature. William is positioning himself as the better choice and eventually will take the “noble dignified single father taking on the responsibility of the throne”.

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BringBackThinEyebrows · 17/12/2021 07:29

@NarcissaMalfoysManicure

You can dismiss this as rubbish but you’ll see it come to pass. This is War of the Waleses part 2.

Theese articles are Middleton press briefing (via people like Camilla Tominey) coupled with briefing from W himself. The endgame is to give William the better public profile but they’re playing different strategies.

W is gearing up to live separately from K after QEII passes - the Middletons are desperately trying to push K as ready to be queen. She is not and is seen within courts/aristo circles as lazy and ill-prepared. W himself is trying to use what remains of public illwill against Charles and (especially) Camilla to boost his profile with the public.

Charles will not skip the throne, like QEII will not abdicate. William knows both these things. Charles will likely withhold the POW title from W until he deems him ready. The bargain will probably involve stepping up and losing the spendthrift wife. The press wars between Kensington P and C House (and eventually Camp Middleton after W gives K the push) will go on as long as there’s a monarchy.

Keep an eye on how the royal press coverage is changing - Kate being described as “mutton” in a fashion article, the Duchess Doolittle nickname is back. William’s camp is feeding this. William is described as “enraged” a lot as Charles is trying to portray him as irrational and immature. William is positioning himself as the better choice and eventually will take the “noble dignified single father taking on the responsibility of the throne”.

I think one of OP's comments from a different thread is appropriate here, "You do know it is nasty to say someone's marriage is in trouble with zero proof?".

Very interested to see @julieca's response to this one Xmas Smile
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EdithWeston · 17/12/2021 07:45

I hadn't seen any coverage of that Thor.

The only reference to Duchess Doolittle' in recent years is one from 28 months ago is an affectionate piece in the red tops, claiming that it's his nickname for her, whereas hers for him is 'Baldy'

The 'mutton' is a again one story, sourced to someone called Tessa Dunlop and it says that the Duchess' style used to be too 'old' for her ('lamb dressed as mutton') but now she has grown in to it and looks great. Hardly condemnation!

And I agree that comments on the state of a marriage are off.

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Roussette · 17/12/2021 07:54

@julieca
Well done on keeping up with royal threads, makes me laugh!

Personally, I think it is worrying that PC has already said he won't be London based, but wants to split his time with Highgrove and BP when he becomes monarch. What a waste of Windsor Castle and BP, it's amazing to think these massive palaces won't be used much.

Also Camilla spends a lot of time apart from him in Wiltshire. I think the two of them are dreading stepping up, and what that means, god alone knows.

Of course the Queen won't abdicate, she's 95! She should've done that 20 years ago, and I know all about her dedication and religious views for not doing that. I still have that opinion, because what is going to happen with PC who is unpopular, will alienate the RF even more than they are now.
It will be the end of an era when the Queen dies, and a slow end to the Monarchy I would imagine.
But given it would take more than a decade to unravel, it certainly won't be happening in my lifetime.

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julieca · 17/12/2021 11:49

@BringBackThinEyebrows why would them living separately, if that ends up happening, mean their marriage is in trouble?
Aren't we often told that the fact that Charles and Camilla live separately and that the Queen and Philip lived separately meant nothing about the state of their marriage?
Or is that not true and Charles and Camillas marriage is also in trouble?
My own view is that the aristocracy and Royal Family have a very different view about the purpose of marriage. So Charles and Camilla, and William and Catherine will continue to stay married.
I think William and Harry have the view that marriage is about a love partnership and mutual support, my view of my own marriage. As far as I can see they are very happily in love. But if they ever fall out of love, then yes I think they would divorce.

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julieca · 17/12/2021 11:49

@Roussette Thanks!

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Srirachachacha · 17/12/2021 11:55

@NarcissaMalfoysManicure

You can dismiss this as rubbish but you’ll see it come to pass. This is War of the Waleses part 2.

Theese articles are Middleton press briefing (via people like Camilla Tominey) coupled with briefing from W himself. The endgame is to give William the better public profile but they’re playing different strategies.

W is gearing up to live separately from K after QEII passes - the Middletons are desperately trying to push K as ready to be queen. She is not and is seen within courts/aristo circles as lazy and ill-prepared. W himself is trying to use what remains of public illwill against Charles and (especially) Camilla to boost his profile with the public.

Charles will not skip the throne, like QEII will not abdicate. William knows both these things. Charles will likely withhold the POW title from W until he deems him ready. The bargain will probably involve stepping up and losing the spendthrift wife. The press wars between Kensington P and C House (and eventually Camp Middleton after W gives K the push) will go on as long as there’s a monarchy.

Keep an eye on how the royal press coverage is changing - Kate being described as “mutton” in a fashion article, the Duchess Doolittle nickname is back. William’s camp is feeding this. William is described as “enraged” a lot as Charles is trying to portray him as irrational and immature. William is positioning himself as the better choice and eventually will take the “noble dignified single father taking on the responsibility of the throne”.

This is some incredible RF fan fiction right here. David Icke lizard people level.
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julieca · 17/12/2021 11:58

@Srirachachacha It is the kind of thing I see regularly in RF forums. I have no idea of it is true or not and I am not sure any regular member of the public does either.
How do we know what court circles really think of Kate for example?
I do think the Middletons will put Kate first and think they should. She is their daughter.

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ArblemarzipanTFruitcake · 17/12/2021 12:03

No one will abdicate, but Charles will take on more and more duties on the Queen's behalf as she grows older and more infirm.

Given his upbringing I think William would do everything to avoid his children being caught in a 'war of the Cambridges'. I've no idea what the state of their marriage is, but if they did split I think W. would do his utmost to avoid a repeat of 'the war of the Waleses'.

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julieca · 17/12/2021 12:29

Charles and Diana divorced because they could no longer stand the sight of each other and were having a very public fight. The public fight was far more damaging to the Royal Family as an institution than a divorce.
Those public fights were I think damaging long term to Charles reputation.
But their hatred of each other seemed so great, I am not sure how it could have been avoided within the set up of the RF.
I think the RF are terrible at responding to conflicts between members.

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Roussette · 17/12/2021 12:58

Charles I imagine is taking on just about all the duties of the Queen. If he isn't, he should be.
She's 95! If you've known well a 95 year old you will know they can't do wall to wall phone calls, reading, physical stuff etc.
(Cue someone to post saying their 95 year old granny walks the fells every day and writes a daily column for the local newspaper lol)

I imagine PC & W do the bulk of duties and when PC takes over, W will be doing a lot too. There's only so long you can be an heir in waiting AFAIC

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BringBackThinEyebrows · 17/12/2021 13:51

OP, the post I quoted states the following:

"W is gearing up to live separately from K after QEII passes"

"The press wars between Kensington P and C House (and eventually Camp Middleton after W gives K the push)"

"William is positioning himself as the better choice and eventually will take the “noble dignified single father taking on the responsibility of the throne”."

How do any of those statements NOT suggest their marriage is in trouble?! It says William will give Kate 'the push' and is planning to become a single dad Xmas Confused

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EdithWeston · 17/12/2021 14:17

William is positioning himself as the better choice

Surely that can only be written by someone ignorant of their being no choice whatsoever. So I expect the rest is a load of misunderstandings as well

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ditalini · 17/12/2021 14:23

"William is positioning himself as the better choice and eventually will take the “noble dignified single father taking on the responsibility of the throne”

That would surely only work if he was completely unaware of the history of his own parents' divorce and subsequent protrayal of sainted fun mum and stuffy evil royal dad.

(Or rather the fever dream that came up with this drivel wasn't around in the 80s and 90s)

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Wilma55 · 17/12/2021 14:27

Didn't Mystic Meg or some such predict that Charles would never be King?

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EdithWeston · 17/12/2021 14:31

@Wilma55

Didn't Mystic Meg or some such predict that Charles would never be King?

No - it was Diana all wide-eyed and teary in That Interview, saying she thought that Charles would never have what she called the 'top job'
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