The queen spent a night in hospital this week,

[MrsLargeEmbodied]

stoic lady

[FleasInMyKnees]

In good spirits is about as much I would expect from someone that age.

[julieca]

I disagree. It is what you say when someone is ill but not depressed or down.

[smilesy]

To be fair, when they said PP was in good spirits near the end, he looked very frail, tired and unwell. The Queen does not. I suspect she has massively overdone it since she began official engagements again after lockdown. A long period of relative inactivity and then straight beck in to top gear does not work when you are advanced in years. My FIL has just discovered this 🤣. The Queen reminds me of my wonderful elderly German Shepherd who thinks he is still a puppy and tries to do all the things he used to do, but his body is letting him down.

[megletthesecond]

Never mind voice mails, the sun have probably figured out how to pick up WhatsApp messages.

[rubicscubicle]

Thank goodness we won't be hearing the RRs and MN harp on about how H&M should be lugging a baby and tot across the globe to see his ailing grandparent, like they did with PP when he was in his 90s, but in 'good spirits'.

[PurpleOkapi]

@rubicscubicle

Thank goodness we won't be hearing the RRs and MN harp on about how H&M should be lugging a baby and tot across the globe to see his ailing grandparent, like they did with PP when he was in his 90s, but in 'good spirits'.

What does the screenshot have to do with that? I'm not going to guess at when William last saw her, but it was surely more recently than Harry did. Which might or might not have been July. And she's at least met all of William's children. Who've all been on planes numerous times from very young ages. If he thought flying across the US to play polo was worth the flak he had to know he'd get for taking a private jet, then it's not obvious to me why flying his children and their staff of nannies to meet his possibly-dying 95-year-old grandmother in a private jet wouldn't be.

But for all we know, maybe he's currently making arrangements to do that. I'm not holding my breath, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

[FuckeryOmbudsman]

@rubicscubicle - why on earth did you think MM was anything to do with what is being discussed on the thread so far? Why did you bring her in to it, because from here your pretext looks pretty flimsy, and just an excuse to talk about different royals

[Roussette]

I'm not going to guess at when William last saw her, but it was surely more recently than Harry did

Is that surprising given one lives round the corner and one lives thousands of miles away?!

then it's not obvious to me why flying his children and their staff of nannies to meet his possibly-dying 95-year-old grandmother in a private jet wouldn't be

Here we go again. We had all this with PP on the threads, it gets very boring. And you're the first person to suggest the Queen is 'possibly-dying', do you know something we don't?!
I have a feeling the Queen may be and has been 'possibly-dying' for very many years. Imagine how she would feel if her Grandson, 'staff of nannies', DIL rushed over to see her to say goodbye!
p.s. Is there a source anywhere about a 'staff of nannies'? I didn't know that.

harp on about how H&M should be lugging a baby and tot across the globe to see his ailing grandparent, like they did with PP when he was in his 90s, but in 'good spirits'
@rubicscubicle
Bingo! It just happened!

[PurpleOkapi]

@Roussette

I'm not going to guess at when William last saw her, but it was surely more recently than Harry did

Is that surprising given one lives round the corner and one lives thousands of miles away?!

then it's not obvious to me why flying his children and their staff of nannies to meet his possibly-dying 95-year-old grandmother in a private jet wouldn't be

Here we go again. We had all this with PP on the threads, it gets very boring. And you're the first person to suggest the Queen is 'possibly-dying', do you know something we don't?!
I have a feeling the Queen may be and has been 'possibly-dying' for very many years. Imagine how she would feel if her Grandson, 'staff of nannies', DIL rushed over to see her to say goodbye!
p.s. Is there a source anywhere about a 'staff of nannies'? I didn't know that.

harp on about how H&M should be lugging a baby and tot across the globe to see his ailing grandparent, like they did with PP when he was in his 90s, but in 'good spirits'
*@rubicscubicle*
Bingo! It just happened!

Is that surprising given one lives round the corner and one lives thousands of miles away?!

No, not at all. Which is why I don't understand why William flying somewhere has anything to do with whether Harry will or should visit.

And you're the first person to suggest the Queen is 'possibly-dying', do you know something we don't?!

I may be the first to set it out, but I'm sure I'm not the first to think that when a 95-year-old is admitted to hospital, it's often the beginning of the end. Or the middle to end of the end, as the case may be.

Imagine how she would feel if her Grandson, 'staff of nannies', DIL rushed over to see her to say goodbye!

I imagine she'd be happy to see her great-grandchildren, one of them for the first time, regardless of the reason for the visit, and regardless of what she thinks about their parents. Are you suggesting that if she hangs on another ten years, she'd rather not see any of them until her actual deathbed? Granted, I doubt she'd be interested in visiting with the nannies.

p.s. Is there a source anywhere about a 'staff of nannies'? I didn't know that.

I didn't realize it was a secret that H&M always used nannies, but whether they currently do or not is beside the point. They have the means to hire a whole fleet of them if they find traveling with two small children to be too strenuous to handle themselves. So whatever hardships rubicscubicle might association with "lugging a baby and tot across the globe" don't really apply here.

[Roussette]

I see you've written the Queen off as dying then, and think Harry, nannies, children should rush over.

Who said it was a secret? It's just you talk of 'a staff of nannies' and I wondered where you got that from??

Are you suggesting that if she hangs on another ten years, she'd rather not see any of them until her actual deathbed?

I'm not suggesting anything. Nothing at all.
You're the one who - if the Queen lives as long as her Mother - will be going on for years about Harry plus the staff of nannies and the children should be coming over to see her as she's possibly dying. 🤣

Harry and Meghan can do what they want, you are just using a short overnight stay in the hospital by the Queen as an excuse to have a go at them.

[Roundlampshade]

Oh dear.

[MrsLargeEmbodied]

The Sun's headline is Now Queen misses church

they will work people up into a frenzy with this

[rrhuth]

@Gilmorehill

Totally agree that everyone is entitled to privacy, particularly when it comes to their health.

Not the head of state.

We don't need details on their conditions but I would expect to know if they were in hospital.

The Queen is not a private citizen. My view is the details given were insufficient.

[Serenster]

That’s not how it works, @rrhuth

The Sovereign is the head of state. The individuals who from time to time occupy that office still have a right to privacy as everyone else in the country does, but the balancing of what it is in the public interest to disclose is tilted more against them than it is for the rest of us. All of this was recently confirmed by the President of the Family Court when considering Prince Phillip’s will.

Personal health data is one of the most sensitive categories of personal data that exists. The Queen still has some rights about what she does and doesn’t disclose here. Also, she is 95. The fact that she will be managing a few ongoing health conditions will not exactly be big news.

[Viviennemary]

I think she is just resting on thd advice of doctors. I also read (Daily Express) that one of the reasons she is worn out is because she has got into the habit of watching late night TV. Well not sure about that one but its possible I suppose. A lot of elderly people suffer from sleeplessness.

[julieca]

I think there is far more to it than that. She is a devout Christian, she would have been at church if she could have.

[smilesy]

I think there is far more to it than that. She is a devout Christian, she would have been at church if she could have.

She has missed church before, for such things as “a heavy cold”. The reports say she wants to be at her best for Cop26. Why do you feel the need to disbelieve this? Are you wishing ill health on her? We obviously don’t know all the details, but as pp have said, she is a very old lady. It would be remarkable to say the least if she didn’t have a few health issues. It doesn’t mean she is at death’s door.

[julieca]

No she very rarely misses church. The last time was in 2017. And the church service was at Windsor Chapel, hardly hard for her to get to. She is obviously more ill than we are being told.

[upinaballoon]

I do not know this for certain but I think when the Queen goes out to church on a Sunday morning she is going to a service of Morning Prayer (Mattins) and she has probably received communion privately from a domestic chaplain already that morning. So yesterday I think she most likely went through the communion at home, like other people who are unable to get to church (but they might have to wait until later in the week) and then did what the doctor ordered and stayed in.

[upinaballoon]

......and took the corgis for just a little walk at 3p.m...............

[ChurchofLatterDayPaints]

My view is the details given were insufficient

Don't worry, the Beeb will give us 11 days of non-stop detail when the day comes.

[Puzzledandpissedoff]

Personal health data is one of the most sensitive categories of personal data that exists. The Queen still has some rights about what she does and doesn’t disclose here. Also, she is 95. The fact that she will be managing a few ongoing health conditions will not exactly be big news

Well put, Serenster - though rather than lying about HM being at Windsor when she was actually in hospital, I'd rather they'd simply said she'd cancalled the N.I. visit on "doctor's orders" and left it at that

Unfortunately, though, the need to spin seems so entrenched that they can't even be straight about that

[rrhuth]

@Serenster

That’s not how it works, *@rrhuth*

The Sovereign is the head of state. The individuals who from time to time occupy that office still have a right to privacy as everyone else in the country does, but the balancing of what it is in the public interest to disclose is tilted more against them than it is for the rest of us. All of this was recently confirmed by the President of the Family Court when considering Prince Phillip’s will.

Personal health data is one of the most sensitive categories of personal data that exists. The Queen still has some rights about what she does and doesn’t disclose here. Also, she is 95. The fact that she will be managing a few ongoing health conditions will not exactly be big news.

I disagree. She's not a private citizen, I've no need to know why she's in hospital but they shouldn't be covering it up.

Also she is 95 irrelevant

[smilesy]

Not the head of state.

We don't need details on their conditions but I would expect to know if they were in hospital.

Why?

[SnottyLottie]

It’s just been reported that she won’t be attending the COP26 climate change summit this weekend.

A palace statement said: "Following advice to rest, the Queen has been undertaking light duties at Windsor Castle.

"Her Majesty has regretfully decided that she will no longer travel to Glasgow to attend the Evening Reception of COP26 on Monday, 1 November.

"Her Majesty is disappointed not to attend the reception but will deliver an address to the assembled delegates via a recorded video message."