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Prince Andrew has bolted to Balmoral

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Viviennemary · 08/09/2021 10:30

This according to guess who. The DM of course. To avoid getting papers served says the article. Maybe he's just gone for a nice break. Accompanied by Fergie.

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Roussette · 25/09/2021 16:31

But Plum, I think this is very different to single rape victims.

This is groups of women who, from a young age, were groomed, bribed, coerced. They have gathered strength from each other. I remember some of them outside the NY court house, all together, speaking out. Then denied their moment in Court because JE took his life. They were supporting each other in their anger over that.

There are hundreds of victims, some have chosen anonymity. Others just want people to know what happened to them.

I am not sure whether there are victims who have been named (or splashed across the media as you say) who have not wanted that. Happy to be corrected if I have that wrong.

For instance, there is a big connection with Paris. Lots of victims there. The French press are reporting about two 12 year old girls who were procured for JE. They haven't been named.

I'm just not sure the media should be blamed here because this is women speaking out.

Plumtree391 · 25/09/2021 16:35

If he goes to prison so should a lot of other people who availed themselves of the services offered twenty years ago (and since).

It has to be proved that he actually had sex with Virginia Giuffre, not just posed for a snapshot with her. I honestly don't know how that can be done unless he has a particular physical feature (such as a mole on his willy or bum), which she saw.

What is quite definite, at the moment, is that she and others were recruited and then exploited by Jeffrey Epstein and they are entitled to whatever they can get from his vast estate.

Roussette · 25/09/2021 16:38

Totally agree with your last paragraph Plum

mathanxiety · 25/09/2021 16:56

They wanted money as compensation and various other things, which they received, but did not attempt to become multi millionaires on the back of their misfortune.

@Plumtree391
What a wicked thing to say.

It's not 'misfortune' for starters.

It's a criminal act perpetrated by powerful men against someone they never dreamed would ever have the courage or the ability to fight them, relying as they did on their power and prestige, on their money, and above all on the attitudes of people like you who like to keep such crimes 'private', thus placing crimes involving sex in a separate category from every other crime to enable them to keep on exploiting the young and the vulnerable and the powerless.

You can call your attitude 'I prefer to keep such things private', and imply that there is some virtue in that all you like, but what your approach does is allow the threat of damage to reputation to continue exerting power over women. The damaged goods reputation used to be a ticket to penury and ostracism for girls and women. In Ireland, even a hint of it could result in a young woman being committed indefinitely to a magdalene laundry.

As long as there are people believing that 'keeping it private' is the way to deal with this, and believing the associated assumption, as you do, that women who come out publicly are shameless hussies who are only looking to enrich themselves, the stigma will retain its power over victims of crimes involving sex and the truth of the crime will never be properly seen and understood by society at large.

Vulnerable victims will always be seen as somehow complicit in the abuse they suffered.

Predators will always be seen as co-victims.

The powerful, and even the not-so-powerful but still enjoy the privilege of being male in our disordered society, will get away with their crimes.

ChurchofLatterDayPaints · 25/09/2021 17:12

Brilliant post @mathanxiety.

mathanxiety · 25/09/2021 17:41

The Order filed on 3 September this year, linked above, requires the prosecution to provide a list of names to the Maxwell defense of all alleged co-conspirators it intends to refer to in the upcoming trial. The prosecution is also required to provide all co-conspirator statements it intends to use at trial.

OverByYer · 26/09/2021 00:01

Yes great post @mathanxiety

Roussette · 26/09/2021 07:44

Ditto, I agree, great post @mathanxiety

On another note... this is interesting.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-andrew-on-verge-of-selling-disputed-17m-swiss-chalet-r856g2vnt?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1632632965

PA is on the verge of selling his Swiss chalet worth £17Million. I would love to know how he afforded to buy it in 2014 for £16.6Million. Where in god's name does he get that kind of money from, supposedly the Queen.

Perhaps he can now fund his own legal bills as he'll have funds to do so.
Unlikely of course.

OverByYer · 26/09/2021 16:21

Maybe he’s selling it before the press start asking the same question @Roussette. He’s got more than a court case to answer for I think.

CathyorClaire · 26/09/2021 21:30

Last reports were that Brenda was paying off the disputed £6.7m to head the disgruntled previous owner off at the pass.

Even assuming he pays us her back it still leaves the leech trousering £10m. I hope VG's lawyers are following closely.

Roussette · 26/09/2021 21:50

Oh they will be, for sure. If they've got any sense

Aspiringmatriarch · 27/09/2021 16:24

I read that the Queen is planning to award Andrew with a Platinum Jubilee medal Shock. Hopefully not, I'm not sure it's confirmed, but if she does I really don't think I can continue to support the monarchy at all. I used to be such a fan.

ChurchofLatterDayPaints · 27/09/2021 17:49

It's apparently true.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1497129/queen-prince-andrew-platinum-jubilee-medal-award/amp

plus about 150 other links...

RF members to be awarded "purely commemorative" medals, presumably in recognition of having leeched x number of millions off the taxpayer. I reckon they get targets and bonuses for leeching above and beyond.

Oh and in other news 400,000 frontline workers and people whose hard work enables the leeching will also get medals from the actual leech. What an honour.

Roussette · 27/09/2021 17:56

What is the POINT of all these pathetic medals Q keeps dishing out. It's embarrassing.
If PA gets one I shall be raging.

Just give out chocolate coins to your children Queen

Puzzledandpissedoff · 27/09/2021 18:35

What is the POINT of all these pathetic medals Q keeps dishing out

I suppose a chestful of the things makes the wearer feel important and keeps the gullible happy because, to them, their heroes appear a bit more worthwhile?

As with the "honarary degrees" of this and that they don't really worry me because they mean less than nothing, and anyone with the least bit of intelligence knows this perfectly well

Serenster · 27/09/2021 18:48

They are worn by the many members of the armed forces and services who also receive them, including at formal services like the Remembrance Day services (you will often see them on photos). I don’t know, maybe go and ask if they regard them as pathetic, and only wear them to feel important, or if they see them as an honour?

mpsw · 27/09/2021 18:54

All serving members of the Armed Forces get one, and yes it is reward and recognition for them.

If other bodies want some sort of Jubilee award, then they need to lobby for its creation, and I'm not sure if anyone is. There are police and fire service medals, but I dint know if they did Jubilee ones.

There weren't many issued for the Silver, but for Gold and Diamond, it was all those serving on the qualifying date - including the honorary colonels, and is the same plan for Platinum.

It's quite a landmark

And HMQ gave the order to splice the mainbrace to mark her previous jubilees, so I expect that'll happen again too

Serenster · 27/09/2021 18:58

Various other people are given them too, @mpsw - definitely prison and emergency services staff.

Viviennemary · 27/09/2021 19:17

DM reporting Prince Andrew is to rigorously fight all allegations against him. Taken his time to decide that. Hmm

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OverByYer · 27/09/2021 19:23

Yes big article in Times2 saying the same

Roussette · 27/09/2021 19:29

Serenster I am not talking well deserved medals for servicemen and women

I'm talking about the likes of Q awarding PA a huge important medal AFTER the Epstein scandal broke.
Give me a break

SpindleWorld · 27/09/2021 19:35

@Viviennemary

DM reporting Prince Andrew is to rigorously fight all allegations against him. Taken his time to decide that. Hmm
They always say that before they settle out of court, usually with an accompanying script of 'heart problems and stress' and the 'need to put all this behind me for the sake of my family and my health'.

The deal usually predicated on a NDA, but I don't think that's necessarily what's on Virginia Giuffre's radar, given the Maxwell revelations are about to tumble out.

Andrew is such a car-crash of a man.

ChurchofLatterDayPaints · 27/09/2021 19:37

Apart from the fact that Q completely devalues any awards she deigns to give to servicemen and women, by handing those same medals out like smarties to her kids. 1 of whom is under investigation.

derxa · 27/09/2021 19:42

@Aspiringmatriarch

I read that the Queen is planning to award Andrew with a Platinum Jubilee medal Shock. Hopefully not, I'm not sure it's confirmed, but if she does I really don't think I can continue to support the monarchy at all. I used to be such a fan.
Everybody's talking about this down the Dog and Duck... Actually they're not. They're griping about fuel shortages at the pumps.
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