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Lady Jane grey

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Samcro · 13/08/2021 10:57

I watched fake or fortune the other day. they showed a painting of the execution of Lady Jane. I was shocked how young she looked.
tried googling about her. but not found much. what was her story?

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Sashimimimi · 13/08/2021 19:47

Crown of Blood by Nicola Tallis is another good (non fiction) book about Jane.

I second this, it was really interesting. Jane came across as a zealous little madam tbh. Like a Tudor version of an ISIS bride or super woke student activist. She was so rude, turning her nose up at the expensive clothes Mary gave her because she didn’t approve of the frivolity. I suspect she’d have persecuted heretics almost as much as Mary did, if she’d had the chance to.

Cric · 13/08/2021 20:18

I also read the last Tudor and got really interested in it all

Gilmorehill · 13/08/2021 20:24

@Fruityfriday

I wish there was more about the other Tudors, stuarts and Plantagenets etc on TV instead of blooming Anne Boleyn all the time .
I was just coming on to say this. Saying that, one of the most intriguing historical figures for me is Margaret Beaufort, mother of Henry VII. An extremely strong lady.
SmidgenofaPigeon · 13/08/2021 20:25

I think poor Katherine lost a document that would have legitimatised her sons and they’d have then been part of the Royal line. Without it, no one ever recognised them as such Sad

Gwenhwyfar · 13/08/2021 20:28

"Like a Tudor version of an ISIS bride or super woke student activist."

Except that religion held a more important place in everyone's life in those days than it does now.

Fruityfriday · 13/08/2021 20:29

@Gilmorehill absolutely, Margaret was a strong lady, giving birth at 12 years old and dedicating her life to her son.

StCharlotte · 13/08/2021 20:30

That was such an evocative painting wasn't it OP? I felt quite upset seeing it.

Lovetoridemybicycle · 13/08/2021 20:33

That's one of my favourite paintings, could sit for hours looking at it.

EnjoyingTheSilence · 13/08/2021 20:36

@KnightonShiningArmour

Bradgate Park in Leicestershire was her ancestral estate. The house is in ruins now but it’s a lovely play to visit.
Always loved Braggy Park
meadowbleu · 13/08/2021 20:38

I love this period of history and all their stories, but am at the same time, appalled at how precarious life was.

If you visit Petworth, a National Trust property in West Sussex, they have a piece of embroidery attributed to Jane Grey. It's just on a pillar, no fanfare about it and easily missed, but when you look up close, it's absolutely amazing.
www.nationaltrustcollections.org.uk/object/486522
Lady Jane Grey (Dudley) (1537–1554) , needlewoman

To be honest, people are mostly in that gallery for the works of J M W Turner.

My close up pics.
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I can't get my head around how many hours the women spent on such intricate work and all without artificial light too.

I know that's not really what the thread's discussing here, but I saw that piece and will never forget it.

Fruityfriday · 13/08/2021 20:40

I think we need our own thread on this time period. I could discuss it forever.

SmidgenofaPigeon · 13/08/2021 20:47

Me too @Fruityfriday!

Fruityfriday · 13/08/2021 21:24

Good god bless have a documentary on the bloody Boleyns on BBC 2!!!

Fruityfriday · 13/08/2021 21:25

That should say the beeb not bless

MrsFin · 13/08/2021 23:11

She was about 17 I think.

SingingSands · 13/08/2021 23:17

@meadowbleu that embroidery is stunning, I can't stop looking at it! Thanks for sharing!

StCharlotte · 13/08/2021 23:25

meadowbleu

Exquisite work.

That reminds me of a necklace just shoved in a display case at Arundel Castle. So easy to miss. It's the necklace Mary Queen of Scots wore for her wedding. My mind was blown at being so close to history.

NotableTree · 13/08/2021 23:29

I think Bradgate Park is now not thought to be her birthplace — London is suggested…?

54321nought · 13/08/2021 23:37

[quote Bells3032]@FannyCann she wrote letters to her father and sister before her death but deff don't think they were forced. She never confessed an guilt and he would follow her to the scaffold ten days later. Whilst her father did plot to put her on the throne she certainly didn't walk away from it and from her letters she did believe she was the rightful queen rather than the catholic, delegitimised Mary[/quote]
she was a child, and she believed what she was told - I agree she was innocent. Just looking at my year 11s/12s at school and imagining them in that situation is horrific.

FlorisFigure · 13/08/2021 23:49

I may be wrong, but was one of the reasons she was executed quickly was to avoid her having children and this continuing the contentious (even though Edward named her as his successor) line?

I think I read it somewhere. Could be wrong.

SmidgenofaPigeon · 13/08/2021 23:52

I think she was given the chance to recant her faith and become catholic but once Mary 1 set her sights on Phillip of Spain I believe that was the death knell. I think there was some talk of him not coming to England until all the business with the traitors had been resolved, and Mary was advised that there would continue to be plots in Jane’s name if she was to be let go.

SueSaid · 14/08/2021 07:57

I always find it so shocking to hear about beheadings in this country and only a few centuries ago. Obviously bad enough to execute people but why not 'just' hang them? the gruesome beheading or even worse hanging, drawing and quartering are all so horrific. What on earth were people thinking.

I know we still have it now in the middle East just why though?! What makes 'punishers' want to decapitate people.

FreezerBird · 14/08/2021 08:11

At that time beheading was the more 'merciful' method and was for the rich and well-to-do.

The common people were hanged, but it wasn't like 20th century capital punishment, which was designed to break the neck, killing instantly. Hanging back then would have been a long drawn out strangulation, unless they had the mercy of relatives being allowed to pull on their feet to speed it up.

Mind you, if the axeman was incompetent beheading could take a few goes.

Hanging, drawing and quartering is completely insane though. Was there some sort of mad theological defence of it, which made it the 'appropriate' punishment for treason, does anyone know?

HalzTangz · 14/08/2021 08:12

@KnightonShiningArmour

Bradgate Park in Leicestershire was her ancestral estate. The house is in ruins now but it’s a lovely play to visit.
Also lots of people claim to see her ghost around the Bradgate park area
SmidgenofaPigeon · 14/08/2021 08:16

@FreezerBird

At that time beheading was the more 'merciful' method and was for the rich and well-to-do.

The common people were hanged, but it wasn't like 20th century capital punishment, which was designed to break the neck, killing instantly. Hanging back then would have been a long drawn out strangulation, unless they had the mercy of relatives being allowed to pull on their feet to speed it up.

Mind you, if the axeman was incompetent beheading could take a few goes.

Hanging, drawing and quartering is completely insane though. Was there some sort of mad theological defence of it, which made it the 'appropriate' punishment for treason, does anyone know?

Yes, poor, poor Lady Margeret Salisbury….