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Meghan’s birthday video

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Greenlittle · 05/08/2021 14:31

I like the idea and I like the video. (Not that keen on the big desk) And I though MM looked...alive!

Not sure who the other woman was. But there was good chemistry.

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Greenlittle · 06/08/2021 10:05

@Cacacoisfarraige, if you want to look at dodgy tax evasion, you need to look no further than our own dear RF

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CallmeHendricks · 06/08/2021 10:13

Way back at the start of the thread, someone posted, "I wonder if the exchange was impromptu or whether they had rehearsed it?"
That is why people are commenting on the contrived nature of it.

As regards the alleged mockery of the Queen, to those who had no idea of this, just what did you think the point of Melissa McCarthy in a hat and flowery dress sipping tea was? Leaving aside the rest of the initiative (which I don't actually have any issue with, and I admire the intention behind it), it irritates me how (some) Americans will leap on this hackneyed cliche of Britain to make fun of. It was THAT which made me lose patience.

StartupRepair · 06/08/2021 10:13

What is the process by which an unemployed woman finds a mentor? And what kind of preparation do the mentors receive? I am in two volunteer mentoring programs. In both of these, as a mentor I have undergone training to clarify my role, define what mentoring is and isn't and how the relationship begins, continues and is concluded. Being well meaning is only part of being an effective mentor.

NorthernWhiteRhino · 06/08/2021 10:17

For the posters that are supportive of this initiative, genuine question. How does this sit with you with regard to the bullying allegations that are being currently investigated? The accusation against her is that she targeted young female employees and make their positions untenable. Several left her employment and claim they have PTSD.

I genuinely wonder how those who have made the accusations feel about this initiative of empowering women and supporting them back into the work place. Building their confidence.

AnnunciataZ · 06/08/2021 10:17

@Samcro

if Meghan found the cure for cancer she would still be ripped apart. how does anyone on here know it will be patronising? imo some people will jump on anything to take her down. also why are all the "good" examples of people that she should be like black??!!!!!!
Indeed. It feeds into the "good black person" trope that's often used by racists to prove that they are definitely not racist.
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hangonamo · 06/08/2021 10:19

It is like saying don’t teach girls self defence because it gives men a free pass to be violent.

This is an interesting example. I don't have an issue with mentoring / teaching self defence. My issue is with the suggestion that the solution to these problems is the responsibility of individual women. So it's more like when people say that the best way to solve male violence is for women to behave in a certain way, wear certain clothes, be home at a certain time etc.
Mentoring is fine. Using a huge profile to suggest that the solution to this problem is that women just need to improve themselves is not.

Maireas · 06/08/2021 10:19

I think the intention is good - it's very true that women have suffered disproportionately with covid, economically and socially. If Meghan points that out, it's a positive. She always supports women's issues, which I find admirable. I agree with pp though, that it can seem that such efforts ignore the structures that prevent women succeeding, or being sidelined or sacrificed during crises such as a pandemic. However, it gets people talking. I've been fortunate to keep my job throughout, so can't say if it would help me. Although how Princess Eugenie could help is another matter. What Meghan may need to address is what exactly her role is now, which is a tricky one.
She's titled, with links to the RF, she's a humanitarian, business woman and activist, but that's not an easy balancing act.

hangonamo · 06/08/2021 10:24

The point we have made the point several times instead she is NOT stating it is the solution or one of the solutions -that's what you are making up.

Well she has identified a problem and has come up with a response to it, so surely she thinks it's at least one of the solutions? She talks about it setting in motion meaningful impact, making a difference etc.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 06/08/2021 10:24

Also, seems a little bit classist.

The type of jobs which women would benefit from this kind of mentoring are quite elite. I doubt the women in lower paid, lower status jobs who are genuinely struggling with work and parenting (in thinking single, working class mothers) would benefit from this type of mentoring. They need action. Childcare options etc.
This venture is all very lovely and shiny but I stuggle to see the real effect it will make.

SueSaid · 06/08/2021 10:24

'Gorgeous clips of gorgeous people lolling with celeb pals is, as always with this pair, tone deaf

'Apart from the video launching that, where has that been?'

Well I'm referring to the clips of the 'launch' we've seen all over sm and msm.

Put your money where your virtue signalling names on the special list are celebs and actually sponsor women!! Less of this vague 'mentoring' bollocks. Try something useful and practical.

DottyHarmer · 06/08/2021 10:25

I’m not against this initiative but…. will it go the same way as all her other projects, ie down the back of the filing cabinet?

Also how does the twerpy dh (Harry) help your cause? He has literally been put out to grass.

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Roussette · 06/08/2021 10:26

NorthernWhite Re the bullying, it's being investigated, there will be a report out June 2022, if there is any substance to this, we can comment then. Never heard about the PTSD, that's a new one.
Bear in mind on threads there are people sticking up for Andrew, repeatedly saying he hasn't been charged with anything, I think it is irrelevant regarding MM.

Although how Princess Eugenie could help is another matter

Personally, I think it's a good thing she's come on board with this. Firstly she works in the Arts, there may be some doors she could open or whatever.
Secondly, I read this morning that both H & M are very close with Eugenie and her husband, so she is showing her support of a worthwhile initiative.

Roussette · 06/08/2021 10:27

Also how does the twerpy dh (Harry) help your cause? He has literally been put out to grass

What does this mean?
This isn't his project, it's Meghan's.

I'm confused why you are bringing Harry into this, apart from to throw an insult or two at him

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 06/08/2021 10:28

@Roussette

Also how does the twerpy dh (Harry) help your cause? He has literally been put out to grass

What does this mean?
This isn't his project, it's Meghan's.

I'm confused why you are bringing Harry into this, apart from to throw an insult or two at him

Maybe because he’s seen in the videos to launch it?
Roussette · 06/08/2021 10:28

Janiie

You did say 'gorgeous people lolling with celeb pals' like they were all doing it.
Quite obviously not.
One launch, two people talking or 'lolling' as you like to call it.

SueSaid · 06/08/2021 10:29

'The type of jobs which women would benefit from this kind of mentoring are quite elite. I doubt the women in lower paid, lower status jobs who are genuinely struggling with work and parenting'

Yep. Let's have a rich celeb 'mentor' someone living in poverty or applying for minimum wage jobs. They could perhaps suggest they eat cake or buy a 100 quid smartworks essential tote bag for the interview. I mean purleeeeese.

Roussette · 06/08/2021 10:30

Maybe because he’s seen in the videos to launch it?

Gosh. So because he added to the humour, that means it is his launch too does it? From outside the window?

Some people on here have a humour bypass!

You know that is not the case. It was just an amusing side (or not if you didn't find it funny)

AnnunciataZ · 06/08/2021 10:31

It's been said many times on this thread that not everyone involved is a "rich celeb" (Stacy Abrams? The Luminary Bakery?) but for some reason that's conveniently ignored.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 06/08/2021 10:33

@Roussette

Maybe because he’s seen in the videos to launch it?

Gosh. So because he added to the humour, that means it is his launch too does it? From outside the window?

Some people on here have a humour bypass!

You know that is not the case. It was just an amusing side (or not if you didn't find it funny)

No but his involvement is implied by his presence.
Roussette · 06/08/2021 10:34

Janiie

Are you honestly honestly now knocking Smartworks by talking about their totebags?
Good god. It's been a great initiative that has helped getting jobs for so many, yet you have to come on here and knock it.
62% of their clients who approach the charity get a job within a month but it's just a cheap laugh for you.

I despair, honestly I do.

Rainy365 · 06/08/2021 10:34

There’s repeated whataboutery with kate and her early years work on here. So I guess that invites people to comment on it in relation to Meghan. There really is no comparison though.

This is really very summarised as there is a huge amount of info about this. From what I understand she launched that huge 5 Big questions survey, (yes I contributed to it) to gather views from people in the real world. I think she got around 500,000 responses.

The results of that survey formed the basis of this extensive report and lists a steering committee of people who are involved
www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2020-11/ipsos_mori_son_report_final.pdf

Which has now led to the development of the royal foundation centre for early childhood. It acknowledges that transformation is not easy and these things take time. It gives info on what their work will continue to do and what people can do to get involved.

You can see the amount of work and dedication that has gone into this over many years by a number of credible people relevant to the field and not just Kate.

This is worlds apart to Meghan’s initiative. Yes they are both privileged and in a position to influence others and are probably just the face behind the work of others. I’m sure there will be some flaws in Kate’s work which should rightly be critiqued, just like with Meghan’s work. But I think Kate has proven her understanding of the underlying issues and commitment to really use her platform to drive this area she is passionate about. She’s actually talked to people affected over a number of years and listened to what they have had to say for starters. I am more than happy for her to be funded by our taxes if this is the kind of work she is going to front.

Archewell may only be a year old (or 4 in the making) but Meghan is older than Kate and has had much more freedom over the years to pick any cause she wants to get stuck in to, no matter how political. She was apparently already a millionaire before she met Harry and could have been doing something more substantial already. There is no reason why Meghan can’t commit to something like this in the same way Kate has if she really wanted to. I just don’t think she wants to truly commit to something in depth.

In this instance Meghan could have at least spoken to women impacted, listened to what their barriers and deep rooted issues are, highlighted these as part of her launch, maybe launched some sort of bigger long term project around this issue, and then focussed on the mentoring 40x40 trend as a way to kick off the whole thing, as it’s quite simple to action quickly in the short term that may help some people in the moment, whilst bringing publicity to the bigger aim and she can continue any long term work in this area to help others that mentoring wouldn’t make a difference.

What she’s actually done doesn’t even begin to drive the ‘systematic cultural change’ archewell foundation claims to want to do. In a couple of days this thread and chat on Twitter will fizzle out. Then what. We will have to wait and see what’s next as she’s not communicated anything.

Zuluqueen · 06/08/2021 10:34

@AnnunciataZ

It's been said many times on this thread that not everyone involved is a "rich celeb" (Stacy Abrams? The Luminary Bakery?) but for some reason that's conveniently ignored.
Yep.