HBO's The Royals

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I just watched an advertisement for HBO's The Royals which is a satire of royal family life and focuses on Prince George. It openly mocks Prince George as being out of touch with other children, rude to staff, arrogant and has him cursing. I'm horrified and wondering how others feel about this. Unfortunately Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis also appear and are mocked. The only relief is that Archie and Lillibet weren't featured (in the ad at least) so I certainly hope that they will be left alone. I'm horrified that network and actors (Orlando Bloom voices Prince Harry) who advocate an end to bullying would then openly bully children. How can Orlando Bloom expect his children's privacy to be protected if he his comfortable to take part in mocking a young boy. Am I missing something 'funny' about this show or is this as awful as it appears. I'm disgusted that this passes for humour and that well known actors are taking part in mocking children - any children! Apologies if there is already a thread on this, I couldn't find one.

[quote PurpleOkapi]@Dreamstate

You clearly don't go to many comedy gigs where comedians pick on people on the audience 🙄 maybe yo unwed to open yoh eyes a bit more and have wider experiences.

Go live in a country where the position you're advocating is actually the law, and then get back to me about "wider experiences." Nothing anyone does in any comedy club will convince me that adult politicians need or deserve the same level of protections as the average eight-year-old. It's also not going to convince me that anyone who needs that level of protection is mentally fit to wield political power responsibly.

So long as you say the same about adults too. Cos its no different, like an adult has anymore control over someone mo King or being crude or bullying them .so many examples where nothing is done.

Adults do have a good deal more control over every aspect of their lives than children do. "Control" here doesn't mean the ability to wave a magic wand and force someone else to stop being mean to them - no one of any age has that level of control over anyone else's actions. It means the ability to make changes in their own lives so that they no longer need to interact with that person. Adults who don't like their colleagues can change jobs; eight-year-olds who don't like their classmates can't do anything about it without their parents' cooperation. Adults can refuse to visit relatives they don't like, and refuse to allow those relatives in their own homes; eight-year-olds can't, nor can they prevent their parents from allowing those relatives to visit their family home. Why do you keep insisting that there's no difference between adults and children here?

There's a lot of middle ground between eight-year-olds and adult political figures, but none of it is relevant here.[/quote]
Well we don't live in those countries so why are you eveb brining it up.

Having been at the end of workplace bullying that almost made me commit suicide I can tell you that saying leave your job is not so simple esp if you the sole income earner, with your confidence destroyed to the point you stay because you think noone will hire you, to the point you think its better to kill yourself yeah okay you keep saying its okay to do that to adults cos they can cope. You can f* right off. Its never okay.

But if I know there is a show under the satire category or I go to comedy gig I know to expect things to most would find offensive. Noone forced you to watch it.

@Dreamstate

"But if I know there is a show under the satire category or I go to comedy gig I know to expect things to most would find offensive."

It's not about what you find offensive, lol, it's about how it affects the child being 'satired'. By saying it's OK to watch people being satirised or bullied, you're saying it's OK for others at your workplace to stand by and watch you being bullied. Because it was just a bit of fun. Did it feel like a bit if fun to you? Actually, after what you've been through, I would think you'd have more sympathy with the situation the Cambridges' children are in.

[quote moonbedazzled]@Dreamstate

"But if I know there is a show under the satire category or I go to comedy gig I know to expect things to most would find offensive."

It's not about what you find offensive, lol, it's about how it affects the child being 'satired'. By saying it's OK to watch people being satirised or bullied, you're saying it's OK for others at your workplace to stand by and watch you being bullied. Because it was just a bit of fun. Did it feel like a bit if fun to you? Actually, after what you've been through, I would think you'd have more sympathy with the situation the Cambridges' children are in.[/quote]
I agree that telling people that they don't have to watch doesn't solve anything. Children in George's class can still watch and mock him. Other individuals around the world can still watch and form opinions. George, Charlotte and Louis can still watch and be hurt. In this case, the children have not chosen to attend a comedy show where they can stand up and leave the unpleasantness behind. It's being done about them and they no way of escaping it. What a horrible thing to do.

@Roussette

I have never read anything negative about Archie on here and don’t believe for a minute that those kinds of posts wouldn’t get deleted

I believe it's against TG to link specific posts on MN.

However, there are countless threads about Archie, when MM read him a story with him sat on her knee. I won't repeat some of what was said, but there are many posters talking of how bitchy the threads were, and there were very many deleted posts, and warnings from MNHQ.

Of course, the posts were clever, and used as a way to bash MM and how she parents, but for instance... one was saying how awful for him that he looks like Harry, and oh dear he has TM's forehead etc etc.

Thanks Roussette. I know for sure I've read them on here.

@Dreamstate

As you say OP its a satire programme. Do you know the definition of satire, here let me remind you:

the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.

People...being anyone of any age.

If you don't enjoy satire then don't watch it. Its not bullying.

“ the use of humour,irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticise people’s stupidity or vices”

So what vices do you think three children under 8 have that need exposing?

I have no issues with politicians, celebrities, philandering sportspeople and adult members of the RF being ridiculed and mocked for pomposity, dishonesty and hypocrisy. But children? Come off it, it is bullying plain and simple, and what is worse it’s not peer to peer, it is adult to child. I can’t believe that you think the worlds moral compass has flipped so far that this is acceptable.

[quote moonbedazzled]@Dreamstate

"But if I know there is a show under the satire category or I go to comedy gig I know to expect things to most would find offensive."

It's not about what you find offensive, lol, it's about how it affects the child being 'satired'. By saying it's OK to watch people being satirised or bullied, you're saying it's OK for others at your workplace to stand by and watch you being bullied. Because it was just a bit of fun. Did it feel like a bit if fun to you? Actually, after what you've been through, I would think you'd have more sympathy with the situation the Cambridges' children are in.[/quote]
So I go to a comedy gig like I did a few weeks back and the comedian make jokes about white people, Indian peolle and black people. You would be crying racism if you heard what was said!

Except I now this comedian well so I knew to expect it and not get offended.

Otherwise let's just shut down comedy shall we, it can only be comedy with certain criteria attached to it! Same with satire.

And I dont equate a satirical programme as bullying as other posters have, nor do I say hey its okay for adults to be bullied cos they can cope with it but children are defenceless

I agree that satire isn’t necessarily bullying and that no adult or child should be bullied. However, just because something is labelled as satire does not mean that it does not transgress the bounds of good taste, or is not offensive. It also does not automatically make it funny. Equally, knowing a comedian and knowing “not to be offended” does not make it ok for them to be in any way racist, sexist, ableist etc. Good comedy can manage to be none of these.

Children are out of bounds. Plain and simple.

I have watched the official trailer and it is a pile of cak. Not funny, not clever, cheap lazy vulgar “laffs”. I hope it is axed after this one series.

I've seen a clip and agree it is absolute crap. Poor voiceovers, poor animation and just not funny.
I found the Windsors quite amusing as it was well observed, but this is just embarrassing. I can't believe Orlando Bloom is involved.

@Ozanj

Considering Orlando Bloom is good friends with both William and Harry, it probably does have their approval.

You really think William is happy for his children to be mocked? Don’t be ridiculous.

I’ve just read Prince Phillip is featured in it and is portrayed as drooling and eating puréed food. Despicable.

Where was your oufrags when a BBC presenter tweeted a racist pic comparing archive to a chimp? Eh? Some on here even refuse to believe there has been any racist remarks made about archie or even Meghan.

At least if your going to be outraged make sure your not biased!

Oh and there were threads on here about George not wearing a foot ball short and being too stuffy for being dressed in a suit....and these were comments by mumsnetters mocking a child for what he wore, but whatever noone was outraged then and starting a thread about hiw its bad taste for people to be doing that!

I was outraged! Why do you assume people’s reactions to that? I have to say I was completely expecting that to be brought up by pro-H and M posters.
I was outraged again when I saw Danny Baker on the screen a couple of nights ago. He should never be employed again in the media.

I never looked at the threads about George at Wembley because I don’t want to comment on a child. It’s very unkind. I believe it was deleted.

I'm sure it doesnt matter what "side" of the H&M matter anyone is on, mocking George is pretty much kicking a kitten. He's a young child, just leave the poor kid alone.

I have to say I was completely expecting that to be brought up by pro-H and M posters

Surely.... it doesn't matter what side of the fence you are on, anyone with any decency would be outraged by that image courtesy of Baker. These threads just get divisive if posters try and make it them and us.

It sounds awful. They also lampoon Prince Philip as dribbling and falling over. Charming

@Roussette

I have to say I was completely expecting that to be brought up by pro-H and M posters

Surely.... it doesn't matter what side of the fence you are on, anyone with any decency would be outraged by that image courtesy of Baker. These threads just get divisive if posters try and make it them and us.

Actually I wasn’t outraged. I was sickened.

Same for me.

Didn't see any threads about George in a suit at Wembley but would have ignored them if I had as I'd read he wanted to match Wills which seemed fairly standard for an eight year old.

Danny Baker's disingenuous mug should never be broadcast again.

I think the RF as a whole should be sent packing but mocking a child is totally off-limits.

When I was 17, I walked past a mixed race couple with a beautiful baby girl in a pushchair. Just as I turned to say to my friend, isn’t she cute, we heard an old man say ‘what colour is THAT meant to be?’ I felt so sorry for the couple and I really regret not challenging him. That Danny Baker tweet made me think of that.

@PicsInRed totally agree and also with pp about the low life behaviour of Baker.

@Dreamstate

“Where was your oufrags when a BBC presenter tweeted a racist pic comparing archive to a chimp?"

What Danny Baker did was wrong and he lost his job. The creator of this show, Gary Janetti, has been given a series, a shed load of money and encouraged to insult three children. So trying to equate the two situations is ridiculous.

You are an adult. If you choose to go to a show where you are singled out of an audience and insulted, that's your choice. If, however, you were in the street and someone shouted, Dreamstate is a fat, ugly pig, that would not be your choice and it would not be acceptable. And by the way calling someone a fat, ugly pig isn't funny, isn't clever and it's in no way satirical. It's just rude. However, the standard of writers these days is often so poor that they would defend calling someone a rude name as being satirical.

Satire isn't bullying. It's clever and it pierces its target. Once you start sledging someone, then it's bullying. The Cambridge children are being targeted without any cause. It was wrong to go after Chelsea Clinton, it was wrong to go after the Obama children, wrong to go after Barron Trump and its wrong to go after royal children. I have no problem with a comedian going after all children, but it's wrong to single one out and attempt to abuse and humiliate them.

It's a sad state of affairs when living people can be quoted as saying things they never have, or be depicted doing things they've never done, and there is no recourse to stop it.

@Westchesterarms I spent a lot of time in the US in the early nineties and I remember hearing Howard Stern (my uncle loved him ) making fun of Chelsea Clinton. Despite being an immature 18/19 year old, I knew that was wrong. However, he got away with it .