BBC Martin Bashir - Diana shocked.

[justasking111]

The more that comes out about the panorama interview and the way things were invented/forged. Bank statements, telephone records, stories about the family to encourage Diana to talk to Bashir. I just cannot believe what is emerging from this, things that would have influenced me if I had been Diana and no-one verified it independently.

You've got to feel for William.
Yes you can argue that she should have worn a seat belt but that panorama documentary unleashed a whole series of events that led to her not having proper security so it was a factor.
The BBC are a disgrace but I had a very low opinion of journalism anyway, particularly because they are all just pushing their opinions on us all the time. I quite like Al Jazeera for news these days - it's pure news.

@FrozenVag

Doesn’t anybody think that Harry’s anger and lashing out is partly due to this?

It’s utterly appalling

Those poor boys

I certainly do. There's really no wonder why he's left the country - he must have been absolutely terrified the MSM would kill his wife too.

I hope Earl Spencer sues him for everything he’s got.
Lying slimeball.

Yes, of course William would like it struck from the record. It doesn't paint Diana in a good light really... If you actually watch it, she is revelling in it!

I agree the BBC will not suffer for this. It'll be a news story for a few days then disappear. If it didn't go under after the Saville fiasco, nothing will sink it, unfortunately!

@Horehound

Sorry but this is all a bit of some people just wanting to have an alternative ending to the story. You could go all the way back to the engagement interview with Charles and Diana where Diana barely said two words except for a little dig. I comfortable body language. They clearly didn't want to get married. It shouldn't have gone ahead...she'd still be alive

I think it's wrong to link it to her death. If the guy didn't crash, she'd be alive and yet the interview would still have happened. The interview didn't kill her. The drink driver/paparazzi chase did.

I mean obviously it’s better if children don’t tragically lose their mother, but I’m not a Diana fan, if that’s what you mean.

It’s more of a thriller than a hallmark movie, TBH. Plus it’s a massive media story.

I do feel mildly guilty for having been quite so derisive of her in 1996/97 now though.

@Marcipex

I hope Earl Spencer sues him for everything he’s got. Lying slimeball.

What should Charles Spencer sue in, in your opinion?

Tort? Contract? What damages has Charles Spencer suffered? He seems to have done rather well out of his sister’s tribulations. Now here he is, posturing again with his sword of truth (borrowed from Jonathan Aitken).

I certainly do. There's really no wonder why he's left the country - he must have been absolutely terrified the MSM would kill his wife too.

So to get away from publicity, he moves to umm....LA. They moved because MM clearly didn't gel well with the RF and had her own views about stuff, which doesn't go down too well in those circles. If he was terrified about people being killed, they wouldn't have stayed for over a year until they got sick of the routine of being working Royals. His mum wasn't killed by the press - she courted the press herself and used it for her own ends. She died in a car crash because the person driving her car had been drinking and because she was not wearing a seatbelt (but presumably someone will say that it's too much to ask of a 36 year old woman to put on a seatbelt and you need a royal protection officer to tell her to do it).

The point is that information was deliberately fabricated and Diana may not have given the interview because of it, but she believed it to be true.

We had a hugely expensive investigation into conspiracy as the cause of her death, would this still have happened?

It happened 25 years ago. Time to move on.

I’m sure Martin Bashir and Lord Hall share that feeling.

@Iamthewombat He has suffered the loss of his sister. The boys suffered the enormous loss of their mother.
I thought that was obvious.

I don't think it was Diana who created the false narrative, that was Bashir wasn't it?

So where did Diana ever say that she’d got rid of the security because of what Martin Bashir had told her?

People are painting their own narrative here.

Diana was no saint. She was manipulative and she knew how to get what she wanted. And she gave that interview willingly in order to paint herself a poor innocent victim.

But Charles wasn’t the only one who had affairs, she did. She also went on to have affairs with several married men after her divorce (will Carling anyone?)

She got into that car because she wanted to. She wasn’t obliged to have security, and I suspect she wouldn’t have wanted it because she wouldn’t have been able to go around so freely doing what she did.

While the means by which Bashir obtained that interview are appalling, not because of Diana but because of other interviews he may well have done through similar means, Diana wasn’t some poor deluded child who knew no better. The press had been after her for years and stories about her and e.g. James Hewitt had been in the press before that, so she knew the score.

And the less said about earl spencer the better.

The point is that information was deliberately fabricated and Diana may not have given the interview because of it, but she believed it to be true.

She was an adult woman with plenty of advisers at her disposal and plenty of money to engage further advisers had she wanted to do so. She could have afforded any independent PR firm, any legal adviser.

She didn’t solicit independent advice because she wanted to do the interview. All the queen of hearts, three of us in the marriage, poor me stuff. She did a poor impression of somebody reluctantly cajoled into doing the interview.

I feel sick listening to what Bashir did to snare Diana into an interview. Imagine being the the throes of divorcing one of the most powerful men in the world (an of an already fragile mental state) only to be told that his family were secretly either plotting to kill you or exile you to America away from your children. No wonder she did the interview and cut ties with the RF. I think Earl Spencer is right and there is a direct correlation between this interview and her death.

Her poor, poor boys.

I agree with a PP, Bashir needs to be arrested. This is abusive coercive behaviour and fraudulent too

Diana was under psychological care her whole entire life - that is NOT a woman capable of making her own sensible decision. Evil people target these kind of vulnerable people and I'm disappointed people can't see the bigger picture

So where did Diana ever say that she’d got rid of the security because of what Martin Bashir had told her?

People are painting their own narrative here.

It was reported at the time, alongside the divorce reporting, that she wouldn’t accept police protection because she thought they spied on her. I very clearly sitting around discussing it and everybody being a bit . We all thought she had come unhinged. Supposedly, Buckingham Palace tried to get her to cha he her mind about it because they were concerned.

So, remembering all that and now seeing this does chime a bit.

[quote Marcipex]@Iamthewombat He has suffered the loss of his sister. The boys suffered the enormous loss of their mother.
I thought that was obvious.[/quote]
Again, what should he sue in? And on what grounds?

Are you seriously suggesting that Charles Spencer should sue a journalist for damages because Diana died two years after doing an interview with him, in a car crash?

You haven’t answered the question. Presumably because you just spout words without understanding what they mean.

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

Diana was under psychological care her whole entire life - that is NOT a woman capable of making her own sensible decision. Evil people target these kind of vulnerable people and I'm disappointed people can't see the bigger picture

Having counselling or even seeing a psychiatrist does not mean that a person doesn’t have capacity to make decisions

I agree with a PP, Bashir needs to be arrested. This is abusive coercive behaviour and fraudulent too

Great, another QC has joined the thread.

You don’t think there’s any possibility of either a civil or criminal case @Iamthewombat ?

@RickiTarr

So where did Diana ever say that she’d got rid of the security because of what Martin Bashir had told her?

People are painting their own narrative here.

It was reported at the time, alongside the divorce reporting, that she wouldn’t accept police protection because she thought they spied on her. I very clearly sitting around discussing it and everybody being a bit . We all thought she had come unhinged. Supposedly, Buckingham Palace tried to get her to cha he her mind about it because they were concerned.

So, remembering all that and now seeing this does chime a bit.

Lots of the palace staff probably did sell stories on her 🤷‍♀️ Doubt it was just because of what Martin Bashir told her. She’d already had her various affairs exposed by someone who knew about them.

@RickiTarr

You don’t think there’s any possibility of either a civil or criminal case *@Iamthewombat* ?

Perhaps one of the legal experts calling for Martin Bashir’s head to be mounted on a spike at the tower could explain the grounds for Charles Spencer bringing a civil case? Or the CPS a criminal case, for that matter.

Before doing so, I suggest that they do a bit of research into, you know, the law of tort. They could explain how it was reasonably foreseeable that somebody willingly doing a TV interview would die years later in a car crash as a direct result. Start with the snail in the ginger beer. That should keep them busy.