So, do you believe the royal couples revelations made tonight?

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I did. felt more authentic than I've expected. You?

I doubt that somehow.

Why do you doubt that? For William sure there was probably the expectation of a big wedding but why wouldn't those funding it be open to Harry having a quieter and cheaper wedding? It would have probably been well recieved by many as lots of people think they already cost too much.

No!
She said she didn’t Google Harry before meeting him. Yeah right!

[quote Claudia84]@tisonlymeagain

“There was more to it than that. They wanted to pursue commercial deals which wasn't going to be supported. “

You mean like they didn’t support Prince Edward and his production company?[/quote]
Did they support Edward's production company? Over and above any income he already had? Are you privvy to how that was funded? Was that as private individual sponsors or shareholders or did they just dip into the privvy purse and write a petty cash receipt?

Americans really don't get irony.
Meghan complaining about her father 'talking to the media'
whilst she gives a massive interview to said media.
Also says she would never 'betray' her child that way...pity the sentiment doesn't extend to the rest of the family!
Sad.

As for the wedding - bear in mind that Charles and Camilla went more low key with no problems at all.

@Same4Walls

I doubt that somehow.

Why do you doubt that? For William sure there was probably the expectation of a big wedding but why wouldn't those funding it be open to Harry having a quieter and cheaper wedding? It would have probably been well recieved by many as lots of people think they already cost too much.

Because they like the publicity? They need to keep people interested in the royal family. I wonder how much money that wedding made them...

It’s blatantly obvious that Meghan lied throughout the interview.

She lied about ‘getting married’ three days before the ceremony.

She lied about Archie’s title. She understands very well why he wasn’t given one.

She lied about not knowing anything about Harry before she started dating him. She even admitted knowing Eugénie before she met Harry, so her claims have zero credibility.

So why would anyone with half a brain believe a single word she said about racism or anything else?

I don't think they outright lied, but it was so twisted to suit their narrative - e.g. Archie being denied a title (when it's protocol that's been established for over a century), that being linked to his security (which is really about how far removed he is from the monarch/line of succession) and his skin colour (which is not relevant to the titular discussion) is just misleading. Ditto them getting married in advance - legally impossible if there was just the 3 of them. Ditto her not being able to access any mental health support - she asked Palace HR (whose role it is surely to look after all the staff, not the royals), she didn't mention it to her pregnancy health providers, and frankly, if she can't navigate the British health system I blame Harry entirely for not helping her do so, not the staff of the Palace.

It's all altered to play to their narrative and the American public who it's clearly aimed at to build publicity for their ventures will lap it up as they don't know the details of the British monarchical system.

And when the Cambridge children have their own children Harry will be so far down the pecking order.

Exactly. I think because we are all so used to seeing and thinking of William and Harry as a pair that we forget that to the royals, as harsh as it is, only one of them is really important.

It has always been the case that the heir is the one that matters, and we're just seeing that play out in terms of what the royal family are willing to bankrole now Harry's also stepped back from what he was expected to do.

'Mariposa123
I believe it’s their truth. Similar to how a child being told off at school would have a different truth to the teacher dealing with them (‘Miss is picking on me!’); it’s their version of events that is just one side of the story.'

This! And they know full well we will never hear the other side nor will they be asked to evidence their claims beyond 'I said it therefore it happened.'

If that isn't privilege I don't know what is.

All this has taken even more heat off dodgy Andy too which is really NOT good.

NO. Don't believe a, word. She is a deeply unpleasant woman. She told a friend "I want to marry a royal" before she even met Harry. That says enough. She snared Harry and I think she controls everything. He is understandably very damaged by what happened to his mother and her subsequent tragic death and so lapping up everything his wife spouts. People forget that Megan Markle is an accomished actress and appears to be acting all of the time.

My view is

If we are to believe that Megan had "no clue" of the restrictions on her daily life once she was married (eg not being allowed to meet friends for lunch? etc etc) then Harry must accept blame for that. When Diana was about to be married to Charles she was given "training" on how to act and all the do's and donts of her new role.
Megan is claiming she was unaware of most of these new rules. That could be true but I have thought all along that Harry was so terrified of losing her that he did not dare warn her of how trapped she would be and feel. He knew very well how his new wife's life would dramatically change for the worse for a woman used to travelling and socialising as and when she chose to. She would become a bird in a gilded cage.
If Meghan had known her future trapped life she would have run for the hills back to the USA and Harry would be back at square one looking for a wife.
I think he has played a blinder and probably knew this was the only way do it in order to keep his glamorous wife.

I can almost hear her saying !WHY DID YOU NOT TELL ME HOW I WOULD NOT HAVE AN OUNCE OF FREEDOM HARRY, YOU KNEW HOW IT WOULD BE!

@Same4Walls

For any normal person yes, but supporting everyone else and cutting off one person for no apparent reason is harsh

So if I had a sibling and we worked for a family company and I chose to leave you think I should then still be entitled to be paid and continue to get the perks I had when working for the company??

That's the reason his security was stopped, because he left. It wasn't done for no reason.

That's completely different. You CHOOSE whether to work in the famly company. And no-one, other than your family, is interested in this. was born a royal and it has affected every part of his life and it always will whether he stays or not. If you create a system that means you create adults who are vulnerable to terrorism and hostage taking and who have not built up a career in anything as their job is to smile and wave and have polite conversations, then I do think the creators of that system have a moral responsibility to the individuals born into such a shit storm.

@stablefeet

As for the wedding - bear in mind that Charles and Camilla went more low key with no problems at all.

In fairness though that was for a reason though wasn't it? They specifically didn't want to make a spectacle of their wedding due to the potential for public furore.

I wouldn't have expected Harry to have a wedding that low-key!

@stablefeet

As for the wedding - bear in mind that Charles and Camilla went more low key with no problems at all.

Quite.

Let us not forget that she is an actress. She has actively looked for the limelight. She had a 'lifestyle' blog. I can't imagine she would have wanted anything less than a big showy affair. And there's nothing wrong with having that if that's what you want. Which I think they did and they're just using it now.

@Bbq1

NO. Don't believe a, word. She is a deeply unpleasant woman. She told a friend "I want to marry a royal" before she even met Harry. That says enough. She snared Harry and I think she controls everything. He is understandably very damaged by what happened to his mother and her subsequent tragic death and so lapping up everything his wife spouts. People forget that Megan Markle is an accomished actress and appears to be acting all of the time.

LOL

That's completely different. You CHOOSE whether to work in the famly company. And no-one, other than your family, is interested in this. was born a royal and it has affected every part of his life and it always will whether he stays or not. If you create a system that means you create adults who are vulnerable to terrorism and hostage taking and who have not built up a career in anything as their job is to smile and wave and have polite conversations, then I do think the creators of that system have a moral responsibility to the individuals born into such a shit storm.

But then surely the same can be said for Eugenie, Beatrice, Zara Phillips etc....all of whom are recognisable for who they are but don't receive funding for any security. They are also the Queen's grandchildren, just like Harry. It's just the way it works, it's not spite.

It's like Harry & Meghan are looking at what William's family have and feeling that they have been short-changed, but they they have that because he is the future king, not because he is the Queen's grandson.

I just don't get why people swallow it all unquestioningly. When Prince Andrew was interviewed people didn't agree instantly that oh, yes, he must have been in that Pizza Express and of course, yes, the man had a brief period when he didn't sweat.

Are we really meant to believe that the shady people at the Palace wanted H&M to be unhappy? That people were all against them? Clearly there was a big disconnect, but very probably at first M was seen as a huge asset. I suppose she wasn't pliable, didn't like the rules, and came up against a very stiff and unbending institution.

But then surely the same can be said for Eugenie, Beatrice, Zara Phillips etc....all of whom are recognisable for who they are but don't receive funding for any security. They are also the Queen's grandchildren, just like Harry. It's just the way it works, it's not spite.

It's like Harry & Meghan are looking at what William's family have and feeling that they have been short-changed, but they they have that because he is the future king, not because he is the Queen's grandson.

I was about to respond with something similar but this is very well put and says all I would have.

Exactly. I think because we are all so used to seeing and thinking of William and Harry as a pair that we forget that to the royals, as harsh as it is, only one of them is really important.

I also think because of the longevity of the Queen, we forget the parallels. Archie is now akin to how David Armstrong-Jones and Sarah Chatto were once (who? exactly!)

@stablefeet

As for the wedding - bear in mind that Charles and Camilla went more low key with no problems at all.

Let's not also forget the major welcome the Church of England gave her by agreeing to marry her. She's divorced so not automatically entitled to marry on the church.

Charles and Camilla weren't given the same privilege

Harry's exes Chelsea Davy & Cressida Bónas moved in the same social circles as Harry & were too smart to get trapped in the constraints...
Loved Harry & Chelsea as a couple...

Well it's a good few days to be a Republican. I hope personally that the RF has not been holed below the waterline....and can recover their popularity. Time, as with all things, will tell.

@Bibidy

That's completely different. You CHOOSE whether to work in the famly company. And no-one, other than your family, is interested in this. was born a royal and it has affected every part of his life and it always will whether he stays or not. If you create a system that means you create adults who are vulnerable to terrorism and hostage taking and who have not built up a career in anything as their job is to smile and wave and have polite conversations, then I do think the creators of that system have a moral responsibility to the individuals born into such a shit storm.

But then surely the same can be said for Eugenie, Beatrice, Zara Phillips etc....all of whom are recognisable for who they are but don't receive funding for any security. They are also the Queen's grandchildren, just like Harry. It's just the way it works, it's not spite.

It's like Harry & Meghan are looking at what William's family have and feeling that they have been short-changed, but they they have that because he is the future king, not because he is the Queen's grandson.

Eugenie and co are nowhere NEAR in the pecking order that Prince Harry is and we all know it. They are able to lead normal lives, and do. Prince Harry is very high profile and always has been and that puts him at much greater risk.

Eugenie and co. always knew they would have to make their own way in the world. Harry didn't. He's a middle aged man with no career.

I think its really unfair on the people born into that weird family and situation and if you have a system where people are born into a freak show and live deeply abnormal lives with all the consequences, they do not choose it, there is a responsibility to them.

@Nanalisa60

Well that was a Oscar winning performance by a Hollywood Actress!!

Just Amazing, can’t believe anyone ever said she was a second rate actress!! She is just fantastic, I nearly believed it every word she said!!

Then I remembered it’s just a performance!! She is playing the victim!! And she is doing a very good job at it !!

Agree with every word except that it was Oscar winning, no, she's no Meryl Streep for instance, she's a one trick pony who appeared in some tacky cable TV programme made in Toronto, not Hollywood. Was she ever in anything in Hollywood?