So, do you believe the royal couples revelations made tonight?

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I did. felt more authentic than I've expected. You?

If she’d had real depression and suicidal thoughts and couldn’t be left alone - there is NO WAY that she could have popped on her make up and a sparkly dress and gone to a public engagement at the theatre with the press. No way. With real depression it would not be physically possible to do that.

DS1’s friend and colleague committed suicide a couple of years ago. No one knew he had suicidal thoughts until he told his girlfriend, who was 300 miles away at the time, that he was going to hang himself that night. She called the police, who along DS1 (who is in the army and was on duty that weekend) broke into his room and cut him down. He died 3 days later. The poor lad had been at work every day, as normal up until then.

Many, many people slap a smile on their faces and carry on which is why it’s a huge shock to people when things like this happen. People like you we part of the problem.

@sparkle58
No, load of codswallop

Which bits?

People like you are’* part of the problem, not we,

I don't really care who what when was said to her, either name the perpetrators of alleged racism or they stfu and be grateful they were given a platform to air their ridiculous petty he said she said disputes. I care more about us, ie the average little people who work hard for what little we have.

Skim read this... just one thing to say...

those saying they don't believe MM was suicidal because she didn't "look" depressed, please educate yourselves. This is such a damaging myth. If you can't be kind about people who are suicidal, can you at least be quiet? Because they really don't need your abuse on top of their illness.

Hairy is clearly Charles's son...Those eyes so close together each side of a large long nose....Hairy looks so like Charles.

Hewitt was much more dashing and handsome facially than Charles.

If she’d had real depression and suicidal thoughts and couldn’t be left alone - there is NO WAY that she could have popped on her make up and a sparkly dress and gone to a public engagement at the theatre with the press. No way. With real depression it would not be physically possible to do that.

I tried to take my own life last year.

I had been dressed up to meet my girl friends for dinner at the pub the night before, laughing and joking and drinking wine whilst I felt like I was dying inside.

@Nith

Beatrice and Eugenie are the queen's granddaughters - automatically princesses

I don't think it is automatic, is it, given that Princess Anne's and Prince Edward's children aren't?.

Grandchildren of the Monarch can have Prince / Princess titles. Archie is a Great Grandchild.

However Princess Anne refused titles for her children. Their father Capt Mark Phillips also refused a Royal title when they married. Princess Anne felt her children would be so far down the pecking order that they'd need to make their own way in the world and that's easier without a title.

Before George was born the order of succession was changed so daughters would keep their place in line unlike Anne who was pushed down the line by her brothers.

Talking of security, do the RF pay for security for any non-working Royals. Or is it more they are given apartments in the Royal Palaces which are kept secure?

I don't get the distain for the ''institution'' yet lust for the titles??

Seems nuts to me. Ye can't cherry pick.

Absolutely and well done for them standing up to it all. Harry is Diana's son. He proved his convictions tonight. Well done to them both.

She was pregnant when she was having suicidal thoughts.

I’ve read before the passport thing is protocol as a security measure (ie so their passports/ keys don’t end up in the wrong hands). Her and Harry went away loads (non working). Her baby shower was in America.

I’m certainly no royalist but I don’t feel that they put things into context and I don’t think She realised how far down the pecking order Harry is in terms of lineage. He’s 9th(?) in line so in terms of having security provided by the tax payer- that won’t happen.

The royals cut down the kept list years ago because of pressure from the public who, quite rightly, didn’t want to fund the entire family. Charles, from what I read, always wanted it smaller. As a non working member of the RF, and 9th in line, Harry is required to pay for his own family’s security. They are wealthy enough to do so.

Archie is not a Prince because of royal protocol. He would likely become a prince once Charles ascends the throne (if he does).

Princess Anne chose for her husband and children not I have titles as she wanted them to live as freely and independently as possible. Beatrice and Eugenie are princesses as they are grandchildren of the monarch but do not receive security. They both work full time.

Again, no mention of context or protocol.

@spellingtest

Absolutely and well done for them standing up to it all. Harry is Diana's son. He proved his convictions tonight. Well done to them both.

We must have watched a different programme... Harry looked insecure and uncertain...meghan looked at the end like the cat that had got the canary.

Harry is clearly the much more damaged of the two.
Harry lost his mother through Death.
Meghan ''lost'' her father through choice.

A VAST difference.

Harry , if /when she leaves him will be in a very dark place indeed.

They are not a 'royal couple'.

Re the tight-handhold-event, they present it as a choice between him going without her or them going together. Did he never think it was possible for him to just stay home with her? I do wonder whether he was as obtuse as the rest of his family until she presented him with an “I’m off, with you or without you” ultimatum. I find it very hard to believe that she could have been prevented from obtaining professional support unless Harry was complicit.

Not looking good for William is it... the supposed hushed up affair that the papers certainly nodded to but never reported (with suggestions that this is why Cambridges didn’t stop the meghann stories) and I can’t help but feel that he’s involved with the racist remarks - did seem a bit much that they just fell out over William warning Harry he was taking things too fast...
I thought Charles would hand the reigns to William given popularity... but monarchy is looking shaky

Reins....what people guide horses with.

''Reigns'' What a Monarch does.

100%

@blueshoes

They are not a 'royal couple'.

Yes they are. They’re a duke and a duchess.

I think, at best, most of their claims are out of context, key information is omitted or have been embellished. Some are just simply wrong and some are plain illogical. Some have been decided by Meghan herself because she's convinced the RF are out to get her because she's mixed race.

Sure this posted on one of the many threads on this subject tonight

There are usually 3 sides to a story. Side A, side B and the truth.

I am sure what they said in that interview is their perception of truth. What others perceive to be true may be entirely different and I'm sure that the real truth is a mixture of both.

Some things didn’t ring true. Expecting a title for Archie? Surely Harry would have realised it was not on the cards because of protocol. Added to that the Royals have been trying to slim down the official family for years. I don’t think it was racist.

The skin colour conversation may well have been totally unacceptable but it could also be just discussing who will take after who.

I don’t believe Meghan was a prisoner in the palace. Kate has been seen shopping on the high street in Kensington, Fergus used to take trips from there to a therapist, Diana smuggled in men in the boot. Meghan must have had a phone and could have rung a therapist.

There is a difference between suicidal thoughts (which most people have) and acting on them. Terrible though if she felt like that and she should have had help.

I do think they come across as spoilt - no idea what life is like for normal people. Meghan really must know, Harry is maybe a prisoner of his situation.

I don’t get it, the contradictions. She wants her son to be a prince but her husband can drop out, they don’t want publicity but they do want it. They have a huge amount of money and complain about having to spend any of it.

I also find it so boring that people are STILL claiming Harry isn't Charles's son. He's the double of him! Literally the only link to James Hewitt is red hair. Which is also a Spencer trait - just Google Diana's sisters

Yes they are. They’re a duke and a duchess.

In all but name, determined to destroy the same institution. They don't deserve to have it. I hope they are stripped.

@oakleaffy
Harry is clearly the much more damaged of the two.
Harry lost his mother through Death
Meghan ''lost'' her father through choice.

Choice.
Are you part of her family?
If not, not sure you're qualified on commenting what people should or shouldn't be distanced from.
You only need to take a quick look at the relationship boards, and the Stately Home Threads on here.
If you're not in it, or have no experience, you don't know.

I also think Meghan was isolated but she doesn’t appear to have any “hinterland” - friends and family to turn to. Except Doria who was mostly in LA. Kate is so “normal” because she has a massively supportive family. Who are Meg’s friends.