Is there really that much of a difference between "charity and philanthropy" v "public duty"?

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For the record I lean towards Republicanism but in general I am on the fence about this specific, current H & M debacle. On the one hand, I think it must be very difficult to join the RF as an outsider. On the other hand, I can see the merit in the argument that you are either totally in, or totally out.

However, as has been stated, is there really that much of a difference between so-called "public duty" and "charity and philanthropy" in reality? The Queen and Prince Charles undoubtedly put in the work visiting hospitals, village halls, and scout huts across the country. But at the same time, their land and estates make huge profits and generate a lot of income.

Therefore it could be argued that the RF's charitable work is backed by private income too. So what's the difference (apart from practical logistics related to H & M's location, but they have already said they would be willing to travel) between doing charitable work supported by income that you generate yourself by deals with Netflix etc, and doing charitable works backed by income generated from the Duchy of Lancaster and the Duchy of Cornwall's land and estates (which, if I have understood it correctly) is private, not public money?

@Roussette

Pardon?

That's not my post.

Sophie wearing her Bahraini necklaces and diamonds (two lots) is OK then? Plenty of pictures out there. She accepted them after her fake sheikh stuff.
I do not know and can't imagine MM knew the provenance of these earrings.
Sophie DID.

It is so patent you are braised at response not worth it @Roussette !

I suggest you go back to basics....

"The Charity Commission reviewing Prince Harry and MM's organisation."

Business model gone wrong? Well so much for MM not taking advice given to her.

biased @Roussette*

No idea what you mean

@Roussette

No idea what you mean

That you are biased?

I'm not being awkward but biased about what
I've read back through these recent posts that you weren't contributing to and you are saying I'm biased about something. No idea what you are saying

@Coolandclamy

Apart from Diana no other female royal has received half the abuse that Meghan has received just for existing. The miscalculation is to think that many in and out of Britain are blind to what is going on. People are fed up with the extreme and unfair abuse of a woman who endured 2 pregnancies and a miscarriage through all of this.

I am glad she is standing up to bullies. Diana must be celebrating wherever she is.

The world is standing with Meghan and the backlash against this abuse has only just began. Even as she is being abused she’s expected to shut up and endure it.

That is untrue. ‘Duchess of Pork’ anyone? Fergie got it the worst of any of them.

Fergie got it worse that Meghan? How do you measure this? Did Fergie suffer racism - child likened to a monkey, her being “straight outta Compton” and I could go on. Was Fergie accused of the things Meghan is being accused of - holding her bump, etc? Was Fergie pursued relentlessly whilst pregnant and even through a miscarriage?

The fact is this, no amount of spinning changes what the whole world has witnessed. Britain is being called out for the relentless racist and sexist bullying of a woman of colour. It will be recorded in history.

The world bears witness. Lie and gaslight as much as you wish, the fact is exposed. The abusers took silence from others as some sort of weakness. Across the world and even in Britain’s dear Commonwealth people are calling foul.

Have you noticed the people who are constantly in the media criticising Meghan? What do you they typically look like?

@Roussette

I'm not being awkward but biased about what I've read back through these recent posts that you weren't contributing to and you are saying I'm biased about something. No idea what you are saying

Oh I have been contributing to the H&M's posts including this one if you check carefully.

Just a quick scan through your posts tells us though that you are in a sort of "push back" mission on any negative view on these two. This is just for the new readers though. The rest will smile through

@Coolandclamy

Fergie got it worse that Meghan? How do you measure this? Did Fergie suffer racism - child likened to a monkey, her being “straight outta Compton” and I could go on. Was Fergie accused of the things Meghan is being accused of - holding her bump, etc? Was Fergie pursued relentlessly whilst pregnant and even through a miscarriage?

The fact is this, no amount of spinning changes what the whole world has witnessed. Britain is being called out for the relentless racist and sexist bullying of a woman of colour. It will be recorded in history.

The world bears witness. Lie and gaslight as much as you wish, the fact is exposed. The abusers took silence from others as some sort of weakness. Across the world and even in Britain’s dear Commonwealth people are calling foul.

Have you noticed the people who are constantly in the media criticising Meghan? What do you they typically look like?

You are running on the back of the benefit of time gone by and people forgetting. Fergie has had a few nick names I don't even want to write down here. So you need another excuse to bring righteous MM up above the rest. After all, she wasn't exactly raised as an unprivileged child, was she. Just normal perhaps, but no, we have to point to the fact she is half black all the time! (Or less than half actually) but that is not what is important, unless it is important for other reasons less to do with MM race connections.

Meghan is pregnant and apparently the vicious bullies do not care. In fact they could care less whether or not this great grand child of the Queen lives or dies. They care not about the effects of their wickedness on a pregnant woman. I wonder what about her and her child causes such carelessness and heartlessness.

I remember very clearly about Fergie but I know you and I won’t agree about which woman faced the most relentless and unwarranted bullying by middle aged white men and women.

I don’t expect those hellbent on destroying Meghan to admit to whats going on. The gaslighting is nothing unusual. This Meghan has had it easy, she should be grateful and shut up, the British press loved her blah blah blah nonsense lies. Who are you kidding? People like you? Did the Palace sought to destroy Fergie the way the are doing to Meghan from the very start?

I never even cared one bit about Meghan or the monarchy but now I really care and I want to see the latter abolished. I suspect there’s many like me who have only awoken because if the extent of this sustained attack on a woman. A pregnant woman of colour who has had a miscarriage. No support from the Palace but instead they pile on.

I’d say Camilla has had it the worst of them all personally. Then Fergie. Diana brought it on herself the way she courted the media. And there wasn’t SM then so goodness knows what it would have been like. We can’t really compare to now.

And I really don’t understand why Meghan is appearing on Oprah! That was bound to lead to trouble now. I think if it had been in about a year’s time when they had the opportunity to get their foundation up & running it would have been great to do it then - an almost sod you. But now it’s just appearing like a whingefest which in the current climate doesn’t sit right with me. But I know others will have a different view point. But that’s my tuppence for what it’s worth.

@Coolandclamy

Fergie got it worse that Meghan? How do you measure this? Did Fergie suffer racism - child likened to a monkey, her being “straight outta Compton” and I could go on. Was Fergie accused of the things Meghan is being accused of - holding her bump, etc? Was Fergie pursued relentlessly whilst pregnant and even through a miscarriage?

The fact is this, no amount of spinning changes what the whole world has witnessed. Britain is being called out for the relentless racist and sexist bullying of a woman of colour. It will be recorded in history.

The world bears witness. Lie and gaslight as much as you wish, the fact is exposed. The abusers took silence from others as some sort of weakness. Across the world and even in Britain’s dear Commonwealth people are calling foul.

Have you noticed the people who are constantly in the media criticising Meghan? What do you they typically look like?

Absolute rubbish. Hashtag sanctimony. “Lies and gaslight” accusations are the harbour of those with no actual rationale.

Bullying is bullying is bullying whether it’s for being white, clumsy chubby and red haired or black ‘woke’ and strong-willed. Or being an employee of a wilful entitled person

MM came with a chip on her shoulder, fergie was more naive - both have been badly treated in one way or another. Only one of them had the platform to express their feelings with an expectancy of being untouchable.

influence people in line with H&M's political, aspirational and cultural beliefs.

Thats the line for me, it has little to do with them earning money. Charles makes plenty of money off Duchy - but I do also think Duchy is good as it provides local jobs, supports UK cottage industry and nature conservation and its not comparable with reality TV show on netflix.

I get they feel aggrieved that they dont have a 'voice'. But its a precedent for such obvious reasons I am dumbfounded they dont get it.

Here is the carnival of clown experts giving us a 'review' on an interview they have never even seen.

Absolutely disgusting

Just a quick scan through your posts tells us though that you are in a sort of "push back" mission on any negative view on these two. This is just for the new readers though. The rest will smile through

Okey doke!

Appreciate your view for the 'new readers'! Hope they appreciate it too!
I'm sure it will help them navigate the site more successfully hooooray
I won't be scanning through your posts, I find it odd and bizarre to single out particular posters.

@Mummy195
That vid is absolutely gobsmacking. There we have it. 4 very well known Royal commentators (the ghastly Dickie Arbiter and Ingrid Seward amongst them) giving their biaised and horrible views on the Oprah interview.
For money.
Before they've even seen it.
Reminds me of some posters on here who are incensed about the interview and seem to know from 2 twenty second clips what the rest of the two hours is going to be about.

And there was a clip of Nicholas Witchell... he nearly had a meltdown in his dislike when interviewed the other day. He is one of the worst.

Camilla had an affair with Charles and was justly criticised for that? What is Meghan’s crime? Existing and apparently having a chip on her shoulder. Yes, that age old chestnut levelled at people of colour, “having a chip on their shoulder”

Apparently H&M were supposed to suck up the abuse and only speak up when it is convenient for the bullies. The abusers want to dictate when the abused should speak up and call foul on the abuse.

The world is watching and shaking its head. Britain has shown its nakedness and it ain’t pretty.

@Mummy195 it is unbelievable. I laugh so hard. There must be a God because their evil behaviour is being exposed spectacularly. The good forces are acting to put the bad forces back under their evil rock.

Good vs Bad. Good will always win eventually.

@Roussette

Just a quick scan through your posts tells us though that you are in a sort of "push back" mission on any negative view on these two. This is just for the new readers though. The rest will smile through

Okey doke!

Appreciate your view for the 'new readers'! Hope they appreciate it too!
I'm sure it will help them navigate the site more successfully hooooray
I won't be scanning through your posts, I find it odd and bizarre to single out particular posters.

@Mummy195
That vid is absolutely gobsmacking. There we have it. 4 very well known Royal commentators (the ghastly Dickie Arbiter and Ingrid Seward amongst them) giving their biaised and horrible views on the Oprah interview.
For money.
Before they've even seen it.
Reminds me of some posters on here who are incensed about the interview and seem to know from 2 twenty second clips what the rest of the two hours is going to be about.

And there was a clip of Nicholas Witchell... he nearly had a meltdown in his dislike when interviewed the other day. He is one of the worst.

I will ignore the cherry picking of comments again but you seem to be scanning this thread to say I was not contributing (have no problem with that though!)

Wrong. As you well know, I was confused and asking what you meant on the biaised comment.
But I am not engaging with you any more. You obviously are rather fixated on what I do or don't post. It's weird.

The media is indeed frequently sexist and racist, including to/about Meghan.

But it’s not OK that Harry and Meghan were seeking to make high personal incomes from ‘philanthropy’ / ‘charity’ while still receiving UK public subsidy.

Interesting article in The Times:

apple.news/AgsSVcwaBTXKkfz3QIuqtNA

There is a programme on them on channel 5 at 9pm tonight.

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Interesting article in The Times:

apple.news/AgsSVcwaBTXKkfz3QIuqtNA[/quote]
No matter how much people hope and want to believe otherwise, it’s surely getting increasingly difficult to defend this behaviour.