Harry and Meghan court dramas (not Suits)

[ARoseInHarlem]

Starting this thread while I digest the last few posts on the previous thread. I think the H&M saga could be as unsettling for the RF as the Charles & Diana bad publicity in the 1990s, if not worse.

Lots of very low-level celebs make a decent living on the after-dinner/conference-keynote speech circuit. Nick Leeson springs to mind as someone who has made a career out of it.

Hedda if so then that's something. Though would it be at the level to maintain their current lifestyle? What sort of money is Leeson earning?

Doubt they’d be at the same level as Leeson 😃. I can see them getting a few big-paying gigs and then interspersing those with more frequent bread-and-butter engagements. I suspect there will be a lot of back and forth between them and their agency about the balance between prestigious engagements and low-level earners.

Took me a few hours to get to the end of this thread. Interesting read and good that's it's not just attacking H&M. I've loved watching them but I'm struggling to like them at the moment. Even though I do hope they are truly in love and they do make it as a couple.

@HeddaGarbled

Lots of very low-level celebs make a decent living on the after-dinner/conference-keynote speech circuit. Nick Leeson springs to mind as someone who has made a career out of it.

But H&M don’t want just a decent living do they? They appear to want a billionaire Hollywood lifestyle to keep up with the likes of the Clooneys or Oprah Winfrey. You don’t get that from just a decent living.

@Cartesiandebt

Giles Coren tweeted that the affair was known amongst the Norfolk set. He then deleted it and said that lawyers had been in touch.

Giles Coren is not in the Norfolk set - he’s v much Soho House set and not credible. I happen to know people with links to the Norfolk set and have heard that the Rose story was a malicious invention.

Meghan had a bee in her bonnet about Rose ever since she attended a state dinner (in a tiara, no less) with Harry after Meghan started dating him. Meghan had wanted to attend but was told No. Then there were pics of Harry and the beautiful Rose in the papers. And Meghan still hasn’t attended a state dinner in a tiara - I doubt she ever will now...

Curiosity drove me to google this incident.

That is a gorgeous tiara, and perfectly suits Rose's "wood nymph" style of looks. She also seems to wear lovely clothes.

MM says she has no plans to act again ( maybe the big parts aren’t being offered ?)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8490787/Meghan-Markle-produce-film-adaptation-political-novel-ruffle-White-House-feathers.html

Meg could always make adverts for TV if she’s pushed for cash??!

Well.... the Queen's grandson did earlier this year. Peter Phillips, (Anne's son) and milk for Chinese TV. Flogging his royal connections, the ad had him served milk by a butler. Barely got a mention and he is directly related to the Queen.
Unlike Meghan.

Here's a still pic from it. Although the pic isn't Buck House, it is purported to be and the tagline reads 'British Royal Family member Peter Phillips'

I am just beginning to imagine the furore on here if Meghan dared to advertise anything, the thread would explode!

I don’t think posters would care about ads, provided neither Harry nor Meghan had any royal titles.

Honestly?!

They are not actively using their Royal titles so are you telling me that Meghan advertising something on US telly as Meghan Markle would go by as unnoticed as Peter Phillips flogging milk all over Chinese TV, being served by butlers with 'Member of the Royal Family on the ad' and pics of what is supposed to be Buckingham Palace?

I will bookmark this post to prove you wrong, it would be a feeding frenzy on a M&H thread, and well you know it.

I knew about The milk ads Rousette. I wouldn’t care at all about ads so long as M and H drop their titles as calm says.

But Peter Phillips earns his own living, and doesn't receive any income from the family. He doesn't have a title, lives in a house on the property owned by his mother - and from what I understand he isn't entitled. So although I don't like the milk ads, I don't think I have any right to tell him how he should and should not earn money. After all, he owes nothing to the public.

Honestly?!

They are not actively using their Royal titles so are you telling me that Meghan advertising something on US telly as Meghan Markle would go by as unnoticed as Peter Phillips flogging milk all over Chinese TV, being served by butlers with 'Member of the Royal Family on the ad' and pics of what is supposed to be Buckingham Palace?

I will bookmark this post to prove you wrong, it would be a feeding frenzy on a M&H thread, and well you know it

They still refer to themselves as Duke and Duchess . They are not allowed to use HRH however I doubt if that will mean a lot to the average person outside of the U.K. - they are still seen as titled .
Peter Phillips has no title , neither does Zara . They don’t undertake Royal duties and they earn their own money.

Cross post @ ajandjjmum. Although you put it much better !

Peter Phillips was roundly mocked in the media (and on here) for those ridiculous milk ads earlier in the year.

But yes, his lack of a title means he can do what he likes. Meghan and Harry are free to cash in on their royal connections too - if they surrender their titles

Also Peter Philips doesn't aspire to the billionaire lifestyle. Comfortable, yes. Wealthy even. But I've not seen evidence of him jetting around in private jets, his wife doesn't fly personal make up artists around the world, they don't aspire to an LA mansion with all the staff and trimmings.

It'll take more than a few after dinner speeches and some tacky ads to buy the lifestyle H&M appear to think is their birthright.

Honestly?! They are not actively using their Royal titles so are you telling me that Meghan advertising something on US telly as Meghan Markle would go by as unnoticed as Peter Phillips flogging milk all over Chinese TV

The word salads MM produces from time to time always refer to her and Harry as "The Duke and Duchess of Sussex", so they are actively using their royal titles. As others have already noted, Peter Phillips doesn't have a royal title.

Of course Chinese television ads would be far less noticed than US ads. The Daily Mail has a daily television program in the US, it would report on an ad. I would hazard a guess there aren't too many UK reporters watching Chinese television. In any event, I would be surprised if MM got a US ad. She is too polarizing, which is not something advertisers want.

They no longer actively use their HRH titles. That is correct. Harry can't help being Duke of Sussex, not sure it is anything he can divest himself of. PeterP has no title, he was not given one at birth whether he wanted one or not! Charles and Anne made choices for their children. Blaming that child for the titles they were or were not given, is not fair.

However, I repeat... it would be mayhem on here if Meghan on her own, as Meghan Markle tried to advertise anything on american telly. And she is not related to the Queen, unlike Peter being a grandson. She would be maligned for days if not weeks if she even dared to try it.

Personally I thought the advert by Peter was tacky with BP, butlers and taglines saying he was a member of the RF. But obviously you all think there was nothing wrong with that.
Weird.

Meghan and Harry seem to think that anything below billionaire style accommodation is beneath them

Cartesian... you do make some breathtaking statements that you present as facts!
Who said this? Apart from you lol. They've lived in an LA mansion... so what. It doesn't mean that they think everything else is beneath them.

Firstly they made a considerable fuss about their living arrangements in the UK. Then they decamped to a Russian billionaire's residence in Canada, before moving to the current billionaire-style mansion in LA

The current residence is ridiculously OTT to their requirements as a couple with one small child. They might easily have bought a perfectly suitable home in a good area for $3-5m, but they appear determined to present as A list. Given that neither of them is employed (or particularly employable) it all seems rather embarrassing.

As others have already noted, Peter Phillips doesn't have a royal title

Anne made a choice. Charles made a choice.

Also Peter Philips doesn't aspire to the billionaire lifestyle
Ahhh... right. You know that PPhillips isn't aspirational, OK. But M&H are.
It'll take more than a few after dinner speeches and some tacky ads to buy the lifestyle H&M appear to think is their birthright
Good grief.
Where do you get that from? Where have they said that? What a ridiculous statement. What birthright for MM?

Talking of tacky ads, PP's was very tacky but it's perfectly OK according to posters on here

Anne made a choice. Charles made a choice.

So has Meghan Markle. Her choice is to retain, and use, her title as Duchess of Sussex.

it all seems rather embarrassing
In your opinion.

Not everyone's

I have no idea about royal etiquette but I imagine it's not easy to divest herself of the title Duchess of Sussex perhaps when her husband is Duke of Sussex. Don't quote me I don't know.
(given that any tiny chink of anything a more positive poster about MM posts that might be incorrect is corrected multiple times)
You are talking like you know for a fact she's going to cash in on it massively in the future. You don't know.

That was a tacky ad and an example of why they shouldn't be allowed to do it. It shouldn't say royal family anywhere. They had to do that I am sure because no one knew who the fuck he was without it. Doesn't make it right.

Harry and Meghan shouldn't be allowed to use the titles and the royal reference on a ongoing basis to bolster their profits. But obviously they are well known and don't need the same level of intro Peter would. Will they make as much money without "royal"? Maybe not immediately. But over time who knows? They wanted to be independent so great let them get in with it.

I'd have to agree actually that the Sussexes would be criticised for doing ads. And it would look tacky. However I also can't see them actually doing them. It's not very humanitarian, is it?