Does anyone want a thread for people who are happy for Harry and Meghan? Thread 4

[Mummy195]

Hope you don't mind Dave.

An English Rose troll you say @Mummy195?

Hahaha, does it sound familiar?

I imagine Harry and Meghan throw a lot of money at PR as well, either they have employed absolute duds or don’t take their advice, the thing is though Harry and Meghan didn’t need rehabilitating in the first place, they had it all for the taking, unlike Camilla.

I think people are more cynical these days. And would Charles' campaign have been so successful if it had been in the days of 24/7 news coverage and social media?

As for breaking protocol?

Well there is no such book.

A pity I have trouble with linking the exact thread on this site, but if you scroll down to collapsed answers and go to David Byrne, if you click on more he has a lto of examples showing with pictures of all the protocol the MM is supposed to have broken. It's one of the hate mm site, but you will find this guy's response interesting. Do read that answer it makes for amusing reading.
www.quora.com/Why-do-you-think-Meghan-Duchess-of-Sussex-breaks-protocol-all-the-time#

www.harpersbazaar.com/celebrity/latest/a22873706/meghan-markle-no-tights/

As for breaking protocol?

Well there is no such book.

Which is kind of the point about protocol. It’s why so many outsiders marrying into the RF struggle to some degree or other, (and why having a close advisors seems to make a difference).

Diana complained endlessly that she had been given no support and Fergie dubbed the protocol-enforcing courtiers “the men in grey suits” and felt they had bullied her.

It’s for that reason, that a woman over 35 marrying in seemed to have a better chance of navigating it all, but maybe by that age you are less malleable and cannot be bothered with all the nonsense.

Perhaps William and Kate accidentally hit in the magic formula of a very long courtship followed by marriage at about 30.

K&M hit no formula, if you look at the attachment, it tells shows you exactly who has been doing what.

K&M?

K&W.

Just go read the attachment .

It probably would have been successful even now because what Bolan did was court the tabloids so reporting became more positive, he encouraged Camilla to adapt a more glamorous style and promoted her charity work with the osteoporosis society and most importantly Camilla kept her head down and quietly just got on with it and did not moan to all and sundry how terrible her life was.

Hahaha, ok Reach PLC.

Irony or not (yes I know it's Daily Star), someone dug up this little story in the dark corners of the internet or somewhere. But I have to say made me lmao as I stumble off to bed.

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/meghan-markle-harry-havent-banned-21910739

Good night everyone.

Just go read the attachment

Which one? The Quora link?

Camilla started off as public enemy number one and is now a respected and loved member of the royal family and Queen consort in waiting

Steady on. Someone above similarly mentions Anne and Sophie in this good egg grouping. That's a stretch. These people are tolerated but precarious. In fact, I'd put everyone but the queen and PP in that bracket. The latter are profitable for GB plc but many can't see how the others can possibly be, not even the beloved Anne. Plenty of accounts of her rudeness, brusqueness and staying only the minimum amount of time at engagements. Yet, they all live in unsurpassed luxury including their children, in-laws, cousins (don't we support a good few hundred of them?). The HaM shenanigans are going to encourage many people to poke about in their business. Personally, I would keep the queen and PP (possibly William) but get rid of the others. This is going to be exciting. I would not like to be MM.

Charles' and Camilla's behaviour towards Diana was pretty appalling so I'm not sure the public's opinion was entirely unjustified at the time.

If Buckingham Palace's PR team are to be credited with turning round Camilla's perception and acceptance by the public, it is even more bizarre that H and M stuck their fingers up at them. Was he ever this 'happy chappie, one of the lads' persona? Or were the PR team simply magicians and he was always the petulant and demanding little brother?

Whatever side of the fence you're on, pissing off the press was a foolish move, quite Trumpian - but without the clout.

Camilla's sobriquet is 'The laziest woman in England' - still. Despite the rehabilitation of their various images (can Tampon Man really be our King? Seriously?) they all know that they are merely tolerated, and that they have to work very hard to keep on the right side of public opinion. I don't think MM considered any of this when she promptly joined, and then promptly left, this family. She'll rue the day that she decided to plan to meet and marry H (my DH's words. That'll be DH who knows nothing at all about the royals. He says that it's very obvious to him what is going on )

The only reason Camilla is tolerated (I personally would not say she is loved) is because of the number of years that have passed and the hate of her because of the 'three in a marriage' and Diana's subsequent death has mellowed.

I would not say she is loved at all. Yes, she has kept her head down, she had no choice given the circumstances.

I do find that some other Royals are now feted, admired, loved and so much affection shown since MM came on the scene. It certainly wasn't like that before and to me it is just a way of saying... 'awww Camilla is such a good egg, K&W, Anne, Sophie - aren't they great ... but just look at that Meghan woman, she is so awful'
Before Meghan was around, I don't think other Royals would've been referred to in those terms.

I agree, K & W can absolutely do no wrong currently, either in the press or on social media the comments are adoring. Sometimes I think this has all been a big ruse, set up by those genius PR people at BP to give a massive boost to the remaining royal family's popularity.

Another one who thinks that W&K can apparently do no wrong at the moment. And it makes me uneasy. Because whenever this has happened in the past it's followed by a monumental crash landing. I really dislike this cycle of love/hate propagated by the media.

Re Camilla, I think her rehabilitation was skilfully managed, but plenty of people still have long memories. However they also see she makes Charles happy.

Sophie and Anne are warmly regarded and respected, as of course is the Queen.

Nobody "loves" anybody.

Ok. Ignore 'loved' too strong from me. Feted, admired and much affection shown.

MICHF *

Nobody "loves" anybody.

Aww...

We've got "the haters" being referenced all the time; can't we have "the lovers" too?

(Joke, obviously. I don't think anyone who doesn't personally know someone can have strong feelings about them, let alone extremes of feeling like love or hate)

*Still looks like "Mischief" to me

i think Anne is respected because she seems to work hard and didn't take titles for her children. add in her actually having a talent (horse riding)
I like Camila, but that might be that she visited dds sn school and dd met her !
I do find the sudden love for W&K (not here but in general) a bit strange. they don't actually do anything.(to be fair none of them do at the moment) and I find them trying to pretend they are just like us a bit hard going.

Nobody "loves" anybody

Posted too early, haven't got my filters in place! All I meant was that there's a lot of talk about loving and hating but I honestly don't think the average sensible person feels that strongly.

There is a fan base as evidenced from the loony comments on social media but I don't take those posters to be representative of the people who post here, for example.

I think we are mostly pretty rational people aren't we? We reserve love and hate for people we actually know, and hopefully there are more of the former than the latter.

I think we are mostly pretty rational people aren't we? We reserve love and hate for people we actually know, and hopefully there are more of the former than the latter.

Absolutely - and nicely put.

I know I've mentioned the vocabulary used before: "haters" "bashing/bashers" etc
It just gets a bit monotonous.

I think it has all gone mad with the 'stans' or superfans of Meghan and or Kate.

In the olden days, we would look at the people who camped outside the hospitals with bemusement awaiting the birth of a royal. But now, people seem to be either die hard Meghan or Kate fans and just love to pour vitriol on the their 'enemy'. It is soooo very odd.

I can understand people relating to one more than the other but this blind adoration of them is just so peculiar. I can like and respect people in real life but still see they make bad decisions.

I do wonder if a lot of the super fans are very young and see everything as very black and white. I know the older I have got the more shades of grey I see.

Personally, I think the RF needs to shrink down to pretty much nothing and they should self fund as much as possible. But I am not a fan of titles in general.