To think that Thomas Markle is quite right ?

[LidiaM]

Hi !
I just finished watching The documentary about Thomas Markle telling his side of the story. I just wonder if anyone else on here watched it, what are your opinions ?
I am so confused, I used to like Meghan but her father seems real to me, I would never treat my father the way she does, they truly had an excellent relationship before, Dont get it

I have no feelings about Meghan, positive or negative. Her father and the stories he has to tell are pure vile though, how could any parent treat a child this way? Unfortunately the media are feeding this by paying him and giving him attention, and money and fame seem his goal. I suppose since we are commenting about him he’s getting his wish

Will never happen but if we all stop being so interested in what he says then newspapers will stop buying his stories, he will then fade away

He’s crazy and tacky with no class. Plus a side order of grabby. What he does is oh so embarrassing. Can’t him and everyone else let them get on with things?!

He's a self confessed liar who is still making money whilst saying he wants to be in her life. "It's time to look after daddy" says it all.

@DonKeyshot I hope you use your imaginative skills to write fiction.

I believe that anyone who has a brilliant relationship with their parents could never truly understand this situation.

This is coming from someone who has a brilliant relationship with both of her parents, I've witnessed the breakdown between one of my closest friends and her mum. Her mum is a narcissist, she made my friend believe growing up that she should be grateful to her, just for being born, but she was verbally and emotionally abusive.
I am empathetic and I get why she's cut her mum out, BUT I still find it very hard to comprehend to an extent how she doesn't talk to her mum because of the relationship I have with mine, I struggle with how a parent/child relationship can be so poor, but I am so aware it is because I am so lucky.

I believe a lot of the problems have been caused by the press in this whole thing, he was encouraged not to talk to them, but did it anyway. I know journalists have a job to do, but sometimes things should just be left alone.

No matter what my daughter did to me, I would never do public interviews talking negatively about her or our personal relationship to make a bit of money. I don't need any other information to know that this is wrong.

I thought it was common knowledge that when she was attending university Meghan married Joe Giuliano and that marriage was subsequently annulled, joyfullittlehippo. When a marriage is annulled it's as if it never happened which is why there would be no record of it although, of course, those who attended won't have their memories wiped.

In any event, as it effectively didn't happen, I'll concede that Meghan's marriage to Harry is her second and hope that makes you happy.

As for the rest of what you've posted, god knows what cesspit I'd have to google to come up with the conspiracy theories you've described and that's a search I'm not prepared to sully my laptop with merely for positing a theory about why Meghan didn't introduce Harry to her father when they were dating, or after the engagement.

My take away from this? Since when is maintenance of your hair getting work done? 😂

OP YABU simply for watching the documentary. One question. How did the press get the letter between daughter and father? Explain that one.

Unless someone stole it, TM is dishonorable, opportunistic and no not a loving father.

As a parent if my child felt I had done something wrong I'd beg for their forgiveness (if I thought it would help) and wait for them to decide how they wish to proceed. What I won't do is go around saying what I'm owed and how horrible they've been to me.

How would that affect any possible reconciliation?

@DonKeyshot
There are no records of annulment? are you sure?
Are there not documents you have to file with a court? Do those official court documents just go in a shredder?

Just a quick Google shows you how to track down annulments in the USA.

Not saying it didn't happen, but there's a reason why no-one knows about it.

There is something wrong with him, what exactly it is I do not know but something is wrong. To sell your child out to the extent he has, knowing even without him needing to utter one word she already has the press all over her negatively.

Would he be this desperate and keen to air all their dirty laundry if she simply married another actor or a wealthy non royal? Her marrying into the RF has totally made his head spin and I swear he thinks he should’ve been given some land, a title and sitting next to the queen with his own throne made of rubies and pearls

I feel so sorry for Meghan and her embarrassment of a Father. He has sold countless stories and cannot be trusted. He even sold her letter to a newspaper. He is a vile money grabber. The recent TV programme showing private photographs of her childhood is such a betrayal.

I don't know why people feel sorry for him - when James Hewitt published Diana's letters he was public enemy number 1 and he was just a sleazy opportunist not a blood relation.

Meghan and Harry you owe him nothing?

My dad is a lovely man, charming and funny and smiley, and very convincing in his heartbreak that none of his children speak to him. He’s a convincing victim too. He used to hit us, kick us, spit on us, throw things at us, hold us against hot radiators

Yes - so many of these "lovely men'` are lovely publicly, but privately are monsters to their families, and their wives and children live in terror - and that terror often lasts all of their lives, and colours their every waking moment.

We don't know either of these people. Meghan Markle my wake up crying every night, terrified (s I used to until about 5-6 years ago - I am 66). Very few people step away from a loving family lightly; many have to step away from a toxic one. And these men are absolute masters of deception.

Ughmaybenot

For you

He has certainly made mistakes but Meghan has a life pattern of dropping people once they are no longer of use to her. SHE is the classic narcissist in my view.

Lol do you read/watch Piers Morgan?

YABU to believe pretty much anything that comes out of his mouth- actions speak louder than words and he has sold stories about his own daughter over and over again and then complained she won’t have anything more to do with him.

Whatever you think of MM (and I actually like her) her father is a parasite who’s put her in an impossible position of always being in the wrong- if she keeps in contact with him she puts her own privacy (and her husband and child’s) at risk and if she quite rightly cuts him off she’s a cold, selfish bitch.

Her dreadful sister is even worse

“It’s time to look after Daddy”

That right there sums up everything in my opinion.

The contrast with the discreet, dignified Doria couldn't be more pronounced.

He is just about the trashiest person I have ever seen making an utter fool of himself on TV, and that is saying a lot.

I think he's a toxic parent with one toxic daughter. He has very little/no contact with his other grandchildren and other children. Why is Archie so important? Archie isn't the only grandchild he's never met.

His other daughter (Samantha) had all her children removed and they have little/no contact with her. Samantha's mum has apparently said Samantha is most like her father; she seems respectful towards Megan and her mum.

he's an absolute pig.

loving parents dont behave in this way.

i have to say i wonder about the home lives of the people who support him or think his behaviour is acceptable.

When a marriage is annulled it's as if it never happened which is why there would be no record of it although, of course, those who attended won't have their memories wiped.

What the heck are you talking about?

An annulment is done through a religious court and proceeds according to Canon Law or whatever form of religious law a particular organised religion governs itself by, and is completely distinct from civil law. You can get a Catholic annulment, maybe a Jewish one, not sure if the Episcopalians or any other organised religions administer annulments. Maybe Islam.

In the RC church an annulment does not mean 'it's as if it never happened'. It means that the conditions for that marriage to be considered valid according to the stipulations of the RC church did not exist. There are several important preconditions to a valid RC marriage, and if one of these is missing the marriage is declared canonically invalid. This does not mean 'the marriage did not exist'.

A divorce is the only form of complete legal separation of parties to a marriage in the US. A civil marriage cannot be annulled. A religious annulment does not equal a divorce.

(The RC church will not proceed with annulment proceedings in the US if a couple has not attained a civil/legal divorce.)

A civil marriage requires the issuance of a marriage licence, an officiant, the couple and in some cases a witness or more than one.

A religious marriage does not require a licence, and other requirements vary according to the religion involved. If the officiating minister fills out certain forms - the marriage licence - and files it with the county court then the religious marriage is also a civil/legal marriage. Religious marriage is not necessary for a marriage to be legal.

i have to say i wonder about the home lives of the people who support him or think his behaviour is acceptable.

Now that you mention it, my mother thinks Meghan is an utter bitch for cutting her dad off so he can’t see his grandchild. My mum is one of the most narcissistic people I know and I avoid speaking to her as much as I can to protect myself and my family from the stress and upset she causes. Her and TM would get on like a house on fire.

In the State of California a civil marriage can be annulled by a judge in the Superior Court, mathanxiety.
info.legalzoom.com/annulment-requirements-california-21996.html

@DonKeyshot yes, you are right you can get a marriage annulled in the civil courts. However, in most courts based upon common law, court records are kept. You never responded to my post about the press finding the annulment information, that hasn't been released.

I’m on my third husband and while there is no evidence that Meghan is too, why would it matter?

The days when the Royals couldn’t divorce or marry divorcees is long gone. Henry the VIII took England out of the control of the Roman Catholic Church because the pope wouldn’t give him an annulment on his first marriage (to Catherine of Aragon).

Charles confirmed that marriage after divorce/marrying a divorcee doesn’t affect your place in the modern line of succession.

If there was a secret annulled marriage it has fuck all to do with us, and fuck all to do with the Royal
Family.

I’ve been married three times partly because I’m a hopeless romantic but also because I don’t take any shit from men. My mum put her wants and needs on a back burner for 30 years for a man that didn’t deserve her loyalty, I couldn’t.

I’m hoping my third marriage lasts forever (‘third times the charm’!) and if Meghan is the same then I hope her third husband is a fantastic as mine.

Growing up with difficult family dynamics affects our adult relationships. Maybe if our dads were better humans, we would be less likely to have failed marriages?

Surely the friends who spoke to People magazine did so with the Duchess's permission?

That's weird too.

Its all v. sad.