Anyone else think Thomas Markle is not coming across well?

[LadyLightning]

He just sounds like a nightmare dad, despite doing his best to present himself as the victim here. The comment about Harry being his family whether he liked it or not? And 'what was happening was not making me happy@. He sounds like a self centred man, I think she may be much better off with no contact.

He came across as a broken man suffering from poor mental health. Meghan has clearly been damaged by her upbringing and it explains a lot of her immaturity.

Diana came from a dysfunctional family too and had a deep and unshakable sadness to her.

Both women were parented by deeply selfish people and that leaves scars.

Harry has essentially married his mother.

Harry has essentially married his mother.

That’s quite trite and simplistic though. They’re very different women. In lots and lots of ways.

I don’t believe that he had a heart attack. I think that he was probably stressed and went to the hospital and complained of chest pains or something ( which explains why he had medical evidence)
I believe that he was embarrassed about the way he looks and the life that he lives and didn’t want to attend his daughter’s wedding because he didn’t think that he was good enough. Rather than admit that, he has chosen to betray his child at every given opportunity. Absolutely disgraceful.

I'm not sure Diana was widely known for her fierce intelligence, independence, career, feminism etc

I'm not sure Diana was widely known for her fierce intelligence, independence, career, feminism etc She was known for her genuine compassion for those who had suffered in life and not for empty word salad.

As is MM (eg Grenfell) - though appreciate that don't fit your narrative

• I don't think he's mentally well tbh.

There's a lot more dignity in remaining silent, he's like prolific case of thrush. He just won't go away.

A shameful embarrassment.*

This.

She was known for her genuine compassion for those who had suffered in life and not for empty word salad.

Not sure whether that's entirely true. She was a great one for a photo-opportunity, not always appropriately - see, for example, those pictures of her heavily made up in an operating gown and hat apparently sitting in on Hasnat Khan's operations. Apparently it was a bit of a morbid joke at the time that, whenever there was a newsworthy disaster, the royal family's aides had to move fast to get someone there quicker than Diana because she'd drop everything to grab the chance to be photographed empathising with victims.

It's funny, I can't conceive of being wealthy and leaving my parents in worse circumstances than me. I care about them more than money and I'd want them to be happy and share the security I had. How sad to not feel like that about your parents.

How sad to not feel like that about your parents.

We don’t know how she feels or what she’s offered him.

What we do know is that he’s sold her to the press. Can you conceive of that?

The other thing we know is that none of his other children are speaking to him.

I don't consider myself to be a petty person, but if I raised my daughter and gave her private schooling from 2-18, horseriding lessons, dance and drama lessons, took her fishing and on holiday, only for her to ghost me when she married a prince, I might well have something to say to the press. I think TM thought that she would eventually get back into contact but she's well and truly cut him off. He's bitter, but who wouldn't be? I'm not a big fan but the facts from the interview and the video footage are that he did have money and that he was happy to spend it on raising his daughter, alone, for a good few years after supporting her and Doria until the divorce.

I don't consider myself to be a petty person, but if I raised my daughter and gave her private schooling from 2-18, horseriding lessons, dance and drama lessons, took her fishing and on holiday, only for her to ghost me when she married a prince, I might well have something to say to the press

Really? I don’t know anyone who would do that to their child, regardless of what they did.

And he was offered support in the early days and there was significant communication.

He’s been caught out in several lies already. Why would you believe anything he says?

Support? He says he wasn't offered any and I think it is easy to see that was the case by the facts. He was offered phonecalls by MM and PH saying don't interact with the press. That isn't support. His future SIL didn't bother meeting him. That same SIL that is happy to fly here, there, and everywhere including to Elton John's home, didn't bother meeting TM.

He's not the only one caught out in lies.

He says he wasn't offered any

They say differently and he’s a known liar 🤷‍♀️

His future SIL didn't bother meeting him

Who knows what was going down at the time?

All the children this man has are no contact with him. That doesn’t support any version of him of an abandoned, unsupported victim. He clearly has a lot of issues and struggles to be a supportive father. She was under an enormous amount of pressure, from many sources, at the time.

I had to turn it off as he reminded me of my narcisstic father in full manipulative 'me, me' mode.

These types of people are excellent at rewriting history,so I wonder how much involvement he had with her upbringing?

I did notice a comment during the programme about there being proof that she lived with the mum before she went to college and not with him as he claimed. There was also that video of her starting college where she says she doesnt get on with her dad. I have my own biases , but I got the impression he wasnt as close or involved as he made out. I'm sure my dad could bring out a few photos of me as a kid and cry into his cornflakes about what a wonderful father he was.

I think the big red flag was when he said she basically owes him as he spent money on her as a kid. I've heard that exact same line from my own arsewipe of a father.

Did she dump him as soon as she met Harry though? Is that what the letter is about?

I must admit I dont keep up with newspaper coverage of her and havent read the letter.

Oh what a shame a Father spent money on his daughter's education, wonder if he gave her a cut of what Channel 5 paid him for floggin her life to them

Good point Portia.

I've read the letter now and it doesnt suggest she was dumping him for anything other than his behaviour. What we'll never know is what lead to that. I dont know enough about their relationship before other than what he is portraying.

I'm surprised that Harry even let her write to him! Letters of this nature have a habit of ending up the papers and they must have realised this one would too surely? It was written after all the other things had gone on so they took a risk that he'd keep it to himself. He said there are bits he hasn't disclosed as well.

I really don’t know how anyone can feel sorry for this man. He is the epitome of a narcissist.
Don’t forget this man sold fake pap pictures and his daughter and Harry still forgave him.
Also, it is documented that Harry and Meghan offered him help and assistance in dealing with the press and he refused it.

This. People are falling for his bullshit hook line and sinker, despite all the evidence of his awful behaviour.

As another poster said, if Meghan had posted on MN about her father she would have been directed to the Stately Homes thread. However, because it’s MM and posters dislike her( for often spurious reasons) they choose to believe that she has ditched her father, despite evidence to the contrary.

This x 100

He shouldn't be 'coming across' at all. I really don't get how people can be so interested by someone who clearly just wants to make a buck out of his daughter's relationship. The press are just feeding the monster. If they ignored and didn't keep digging up the dirt, M & H would have been in a very different position.

Why do people buy it?!?!

Reading through this thread it sounds like many have believed EVERYTHING they've read in the papers. It's all manipulation for god's sake...

"He's been frozen out by these callous people?" How the f**~ do any of us know? It's a press mud fest designed to get people gossiping about that 'dreadful' woman and 'poor vulnerable' Harry. Geez...

I can't conceive of being wealthy and leaving my parents in worse circumstances than me. I care about them more than money and I'd want them to be happy and share the security I had. How sad to not feel like that about your parents.

That's wonderful for you. Do you get that not everyone had good parents? That some parents are abusive and manipulative? That those of us who have experience of a narcissist in real life can spot one a mile off, and this man fits the bill?

Children of dysfunctional families are consistently judged by people who grew up in loving families, when all they're trying to do is remove abuse and toxicity from their lives and save their own mental health. Of course the fact that MM is involved intensifies this and the knives are well and truly out. It's pathetic.