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the ongoing saga ... cats keep getting nobbled when out! How do I talk to neighbours?

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SorePawBoy · 03/11/2025 09:14

I've posted on here a few times over the last three weeks because our two young cats seem to be falling foul of local thug-cats. First, the bigger boy came in with a large roll of skin flapping on his back paw. TBH it didn't look like a bite (shallow, no puncture, quite clean edges) but given what's happened since I'm now wondering if it was a very sharp claw tear.

We took him to the vet, kept him in nearly two weeks to give paw a chance to heal. That was about £260 all in but more importantly, he was depressed at being indoors and desperate to get outside! Windows etc couldn't be opened during that time as he forces them.

Two days after we let Big Cat out, Small Cat comes back in with a very sore and limp tail. Sad They are brothers/littermates but Small Cat is about 2.5 kg lighter and tiny! For a while we worried his tail was broken and would have to go, but fortunately, once the vet had sedated him to have a look/x-ray, it was found to be a deep bite and he went on antibiotics and loxicom for the pain/swelling. It abscessed initially and I had to poultice it to get the pus out. Small Cat is still in but wants out, obviously. Meanwhile, Big Cat came up the drive yesterday holding his tail suspiciously low and yes, he's also been got at! Luckily not a nasty deep wound but a very shallow scrape and a bit of fur pulled out. I dosed him up with loxicom (luckily I bought the BIG bottle from the vet) and washed the graze with salt water - I'm getting to be a pro at this...

Fortunately Big Cat is fine in terms of his wound. They both want desperately to go out. We live at the edge of a village and there are large gardens they roam, plus a big meadow at the back of the houses. The house is set back from the road into the village and was deemed pretty ok by the cattery and by our cat-sitter - basically it's about as good as it'll get, safety-wise. I'm not of the 'Keep cats indoors/catio' camp, and I've always said that cats need to explore and roam freely in order to be cats, and that comes with some risk ...

... but now it's right in our faces, I'm feeling very conflicted. The suspects, Bad-cat 1 and Bad-cat 2, live two gardens away and moved in with their people nearly 2 years ago. Unfortunately, though we've been here 15 years and had a cat for most of that, the new cats moved in during the brief 6 month period we were without a cat and therefore presumably the 'bad cats' see themselves as in possession of the territory! Having said that, we've let our cats out since late last year and there have never been any injuries until about 3 weeks ago. They've had cat stand-offs until now where they Sit and Look at one another and occasionally chase, and that's been it.

I need to go and talk to the owners (I don't know them at all), but very gently and politely. And I'm not even sure what I'm asking. I'm not asking them for vet fees obviously, it's our own choice and risk to let our cats out. I'm not asking them to keep their own cats in, even though their cats appear to be the aggressors or at least are coming off better (this is something I thought I'd ask them though). I suppose, if it were my cats who were constantly stomping on someone else's and causing injuries/vet's bills, I'd want to know.

What helpful things can I suggest to them? I thought I'd ask if anything has changed, because their cats' behaviour has. Should I offer to get them a super-soaker water pistol to squirt at the cats if they're fighting? Ask if they'd like me to get them a Flyway plug-in to chill them at home?? I can't think of anything else! I'm thinking I'll get a super-soaker myself to squirt the buggers if they come into the garden, it's just harmless water and maybe they'll associate approaching our cats with getting wet.

I'm sorry for the essay, I don't appear to be capable of brevity when I'm anxious, but how have other outdoor cat owners dealt with aggressive neighbour cats?

OP posts:
TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/11/2025 22:31

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 03/11/2025 22:28

He's gaslit the lot of you.
He's still a thug 🤣

He's a very, very nice boy.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 03/11/2025 22:36

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/11/2025 22:31

He's a very, very nice boy.

Remind me what happens when you want 'the cat previously known as Thug Cat' to stop doing sonething?

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/11/2025 22:36

RumNotRun · 03/11/2025 22:26

Oh look at the poor sweet baby, such a gentle boy offering his tummy for kisses, despite being maligned by @Grumpyoldpersonwithcats

I did actually stroke his tummy this morning.............. with a clothes hanger.

He purred.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/11/2025 22:38

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 03/11/2025 22:36

Remind me what happens when you want 'the cat previously known as Thug Cat' to stop doing sonething?

ABH with a deadly weapon (his paws and claws).

Verbal abuse (hissing and growling).

VikaOlson · 03/11/2025 22:42

Your cats are invading other cats territory, so not surprising they are getting into fights.
They need to learn to stay on their own turf or keep out the way of the existing cats.

I'd be a bit bemused if my neighbour came to tell me she thought my cat was hurting hers. It's not really a case of 'wouldn't you want to know'. What could I do with that information?
I guess I'd just make a sympathetic face and say 'oh dear'.

SorePawBoy · 04/11/2025 00:26

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/11/2025 22:02

................the very famous Thug Cat of MN Litter Tray fame, now I believe renamed Gizmo?

Gizmo was always his name. 🤣

He lives with me now in Scotland, and spends his days visiting everyone in the sheltered housing complex where I live. He also wanders up to the school playground. Gizmo is very popular locally. Everyone in this part of the village knows him.

oh ... look at him! 😀 He's a special beast. Is that tummy a trap?

OP posts:
TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 04/11/2025 00:27

SorePawBoy · 04/11/2025 00:26

oh ... look at him! 😀 He's a special beast. Is that tummy a trap?

Yes, it's definitely a trap.
🤣

everythingisstillawesome · 04/11/2025 02:26

Hi OP, I’ve been in this situation. We live in a street of terraced houses, lots of cats, no big issues, my lovely old girl enjoys pottering up and down living her best life.

Until a few months ago our next door neighbours adopted an ex street cat. He’s a big young Tom establishing his territory and bit my cat twice over about 10 days. These were ‘running away injuries’ on the tail, she got an abscess that needed antibiotics, had a big patch of fur ripped out and it was all very upsetting.

I did go round and have a chat and they were mortified and very apologetic. They’ve agreed to let their cat out at certain times of day, so we can keep them separate.

I hope in due course he chills out more and they learn to co exist but I have really appreciated the neighbours wanted to agree a solution.

So maybe do try and talk it over. Good luck!

EmpressaurusKitty · 04/11/2025 06:42

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/11/2025 22:36

I did actually stroke his tummy this morning.............. with a clothes hanger.

He purred.

And then killed the clothes hanger?

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 04/11/2025 07:09

EmpressaurusKitty · 04/11/2025 06:42

And then killed the clothes hanger?

He did start to look angrily at it.

EmpressaurusKitty · 04/11/2025 07:30

We use something like this for tummy tickling purposes. It’s safer.

www.vetsend.co.uk/kong-cat-kickeroo-cuddler

Phoenixfire1988 · 04/11/2025 08:14

We had new people move into the street with their black cat and that cat is downright evil it comes into my garden which is surrounded by 4ft fencing to attack my cats I bought a attachment for the hose turned it to super stream and blasted the little sh!t when I seen it on our camera it took a few times but it doesn't come in my garden anymore !!

DangerousAlchemy · 04/11/2025 18:13

I enclosed our garden as one of my longterm foster cats is blind. Best thing I've ever done and I've owned my own rescue cats now for 20 plus years. Is that an option for you? We did it ourselves 2 years ago and no other cats have been able to get in since. Angled brackets and mesh etc on garden fences. My 2 cats are happy and I've since build them cheap wooden platforms to sunbathe. I love knowing they are safe - we have dogs all around us plus lots of neighbourhood cats too. My last rescue before these 2 was always getting into fights and having to go to the vets with abscesses. He was neutered but later in life by a previous owner and loved a good scrap. He was always extremely unhappy about being kept indoors and was desperate to get out and roam. All cats are different of course. But if yours are young & small OP then an enclosed garden may work well 🤷‍♀️

MoominMai · 04/11/2025 19:05

TomatoSandwiches · 03/11/2025 13:53

It's just the nature of cats when allowed to roam.

You could get a go pro cat collar camera to try and determine what the cat/s look like, it could be someone from miles away.

We have a large catio attached to the utility room and take them for walks on a harness, they're so safe and are both very happy and spoilt cats, we don't have this to worry about either.

Yup completely agree.

When I get my first kitten, it will be an indoor one. I’ll acclimatise it whilst young with positive association and hopefully it will accept a halter in which case it can get some daily walks also.

As long as an indoor cat gets stimulation through playtime with the owner as well as the above, I don’t think it’s a bad life at all for them, they adapt to the only life they know and at least they’re safe from car accidents and overly aggressive other cats. Oh and don’t poop in other peoples gardens which happens to me and wouldn’t want to carry that yucky tradition on!

TalulahJP · 04/11/2025 19:15

Cat proof your garden so they can get out but not escape/thug cats cannot get in.

Laura95167 · 04/11/2025 20:05

You dont say anything. You dont know its their cats and even if it is you dont know whether theirs are the aggressors, they just might be better in a fight.

If youre near meadows etc it could be a scrap with a fox or something too. Injured on a fence, anything really. Youre assuming its badcat1 and 2 but it might not be

I dont know why you dont put up a cat fence so they can have full run of your garden.

If you dont wany to keep them in or have a catio or a fenced yard you gamble with these things same as all other cat owners

I wouldnt speak to the owners, it isnt their job to keep your pets safe, thats your job

Joanderic · 04/11/2025 23:40

The trigger here for me was when you mentioned the cat catching a vole as 'that is what cats do'. The impact of cats on wildlife is utterly horrendous. All cats should be kept enclosed. A catio with access to the house is what may be needed. Register, neuter and enclose.

HostaCentral · 05/11/2025 16:05

Joanderic · 04/11/2025 23:40

The trigger here for me was when you mentioned the cat catching a vole as 'that is what cats do'. The impact of cats on wildlife is utterly horrendous. All cats should be kept enclosed. A catio with access to the house is what may be needed. Register, neuter and enclose.

It really isn't. Do better research.

CandyColouredEggshells · 05/11/2025 17:49

HostaCentral · 03/11/2025 09:27

I'm assuming they are all neutered, your cats and the neighbours??

We live in a similar situation to you, and there is always a bit of fighting when new cats move in. It can take weeks but does eventually settle down when territories are established. Unfortunately the only way this happens is to let it pan out.

The worst time was actually when a stray moved in to the area. It was awful. Horrendous fighting, injuries, spraying, trying to break in the cat flap. That only stopped when it got run over. We were not sorry .....

Any reason to believe a feral cat is around??

This, I moved into my new house in March, I have cats and there are other cats around and mine went through a proper phase of coming back after obviously fighting, all mine are neutered so hopefully the others are as it (should) make them less aggressive and territorial. But now all that has died down and touch wood no vet visits in months.

I was starting to feel like they were waiting for me to get paid and feel comfortable so they could go out scrapping again!

I did go out into the garden and tell an invader cat to get lost more than once 😂 and I also bought a microchip cat flap which means you know they have sanctuary.

CandyColouredEggshells · 05/11/2025 17:54

HostaCentral · 05/11/2025 16:05

It really isn't. Do better research.

Agreed, it is what cats do. They sometimes unfortunately catch things people think are cute, mine also cats rats shrugs it takes a well fed cat to try and catch a bird because they’re considered way too much effort and a waste of energy.

I’ve also never understood how people manage to keep cats inside. Two of mine are currently too young to go out and I have a microchip cat flap, they keep tailgating the older ones out and are desperate to go outside. Twice I’ve been trying to coax one back from next door in my snoody with wafer thin chicken!

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 06/11/2025 21:54

We had this for a while, a big bad cat from across the road and our cat coming in with bites/abscesses from bites. You absolutely cannot expect the owners to do anything, for many reasons - what can they do? Nothing except keep their cat in, which they probably view as you do. You can't control or discipline a cat. They wouldn't be able to say or do anything and it'll be very awkward. Also you've no proof it's them. Plus you don't know what your cats have done to them - they could be at the vets having the exact same issue with the reciprocal injuries (wait till you see the other guy situation). The only thing will be if their cat isn't neutered but most domestic pets are because unneutered Tom's are unpleasant to have in the house normally.
Our situation resolved itself, we bought allll the metacam/lexicom, kept salt water bathing the wounds and if they developed abscesses we'd nip to the vet to get them drained and antibiotics. Was it a horrid period, yes, did I feel bad for our cats, yes. However, this is what cats do, they fight over territory, and they will sort it out between them, divide it up and give each other evils over the dividing line eventually. Or you can keep them in but it sounds like they'll be unhappy. Or you can move house or buy a dog to keep the territory free for your cats. There's no other options I can see unfortunately. Expecting the owners of the other cats to keep them in, when you're refusing to do so yourself, is a bit mad (sorry).

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