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the ongoing saga ... cats keep getting nobbled when out! How do I talk to neighbours?

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SorePawBoy · 03/11/2025 09:14

I've posted on here a few times over the last three weeks because our two young cats seem to be falling foul of local thug-cats. First, the bigger boy came in with a large roll of skin flapping on his back paw. TBH it didn't look like a bite (shallow, no puncture, quite clean edges) but given what's happened since I'm now wondering if it was a very sharp claw tear.

We took him to the vet, kept him in nearly two weeks to give paw a chance to heal. That was about £260 all in but more importantly, he was depressed at being indoors and desperate to get outside! Windows etc couldn't be opened during that time as he forces them.

Two days after we let Big Cat out, Small Cat comes back in with a very sore and limp tail. Sad They are brothers/littermates but Small Cat is about 2.5 kg lighter and tiny! For a while we worried his tail was broken and would have to go, but fortunately, once the vet had sedated him to have a look/x-ray, it was found to be a deep bite and he went on antibiotics and loxicom for the pain/swelling. It abscessed initially and I had to poultice it to get the pus out. Small Cat is still in but wants out, obviously. Meanwhile, Big Cat came up the drive yesterday holding his tail suspiciously low and yes, he's also been got at! Luckily not a nasty deep wound but a very shallow scrape and a bit of fur pulled out. I dosed him up with loxicom (luckily I bought the BIG bottle from the vet) and washed the graze with salt water - I'm getting to be a pro at this...

Fortunately Big Cat is fine in terms of his wound. They both want desperately to go out. We live at the edge of a village and there are large gardens they roam, plus a big meadow at the back of the houses. The house is set back from the road into the village and was deemed pretty ok by the cattery and by our cat-sitter - basically it's about as good as it'll get, safety-wise. I'm not of the 'Keep cats indoors/catio' camp, and I've always said that cats need to explore and roam freely in order to be cats, and that comes with some risk ...

... but now it's right in our faces, I'm feeling very conflicted. The suspects, Bad-cat 1 and Bad-cat 2, live two gardens away and moved in with their people nearly 2 years ago. Unfortunately, though we've been here 15 years and had a cat for most of that, the new cats moved in during the brief 6 month period we were without a cat and therefore presumably the 'bad cats' see themselves as in possession of the territory! Having said that, we've let our cats out since late last year and there have never been any injuries until about 3 weeks ago. They've had cat stand-offs until now where they Sit and Look at one another and occasionally chase, and that's been it.

I need to go and talk to the owners (I don't know them at all), but very gently and politely. And I'm not even sure what I'm asking. I'm not asking them for vet fees obviously, it's our own choice and risk to let our cats out. I'm not asking them to keep their own cats in, even though their cats appear to be the aggressors or at least are coming off better (this is something I thought I'd ask them though). I suppose, if it were my cats who were constantly stomping on someone else's and causing injuries/vet's bills, I'd want to know.

What helpful things can I suggest to them? I thought I'd ask if anything has changed, because their cats' behaviour has. Should I offer to get them a super-soaker water pistol to squirt at the cats if they're fighting? Ask if they'd like me to get them a Flyway plug-in to chill them at home?? I can't think of anything else! I'm thinking I'll get a super-soaker myself to squirt the buggers if they come into the garden, it's just harmless water and maybe they'll associate approaching our cats with getting wet.

I'm sorry for the essay, I don't appear to be capable of brevity when I'm anxious, but how have other outdoor cat owners dealt with aggressive neighbour cats?

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No5ChalksRoad · 03/11/2025 13:51

Keep the cats indoors, for god’s sake.

TomatoSandwiches · 03/11/2025 13:53

It's just the nature of cats when allowed to roam.

You could get a go pro cat collar camera to try and determine what the cat/s look like, it could be someone from miles away.

We have a large catio attached to the utility room and take them for walks on a harness, they're so safe and are both very happy and spoilt cats, we don't have this to worry about either.

No5ChalksRoad · 03/11/2025 13:58

TomatoSandwiches · 03/11/2025 13:53

It's just the nature of cats when allowed to roam.

You could get a go pro cat collar camera to try and determine what the cat/s look like, it could be someone from miles away.

We have a large catio attached to the utility room and take them for walks on a harness, they're so safe and are both very happy and spoilt cats, we don't have this to worry about either.

This is the responsible way to do it.

Greenwitchart · 03/11/2025 14:11

There is nothing your neighbours can do.

If your cats invade other cats' gardens then of course they will be forcefully chased out.

My cat gets on really well with the cat next door thankfully. But that neighbour's cat, although charming to my cat, always gets into fights with other cats in the area and has had several bites/injuries as a results in the past few months.

My own cat will even chase foxes if they come into ''her'' garden. They are wired to defend their territory. So frankly it is just cats being cats.

The only solution is to build a catio or keep your cats indoors.

CharlieKirkRIP · 03/11/2025 14:37

i do understand you don’t want your cats being hurt, so you need to put something like this in your garden to put them in and put things inside for the to climb and take shelter etc if you don’t want to keep them indoors all of the time.

https://alphapetuk.co.uk/product/alphapet-4m-series-4m-x-6m-heavy-duty-walk-in-galvanised-steel-chicken-run-coop/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=20458211992&gbraid=0AAAAAp-i2VLhwra39o-yUtDc4ma9s_r_h&gclid=CjwKCAiAwqHIBhAEEiwAx9cTeU1PNXS_TNs8cMJG82OZcKib3ichzGu6FlowzYRL6Xz645HWVsASRhoCEvcQAvD_BwE

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 03/11/2025 15:38

TomatoSandwiches · 03/11/2025 13:53

It's just the nature of cats when allowed to roam.

You could get a go pro cat collar camera to try and determine what the cat/s look like, it could be someone from miles away.

We have a large catio attached to the utility room and take them for walks on a harness, they're so safe and are both very happy and spoilt cats, we don't have this to worry about either.

The collar might also show that the OP's cats are the instigators. With cats it doesn't follow that the bigger one will be the aggressor.

covilha · 03/11/2025 18:19

Could you get a bid bad boy Tom, preferably farm yard experience on either loan or to move in to at least spray your area and probably rule the neighbourhood

SorePawBoy · 03/11/2025 18:45

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 03/11/2025 12:33

Referring to cats as "bullies" is so ridiculous.

Sighhh... I didn't use the word 'bully', I think? I did say 'thug-cats' as a sort of tongue in cheek shorthand, in homage I suppose to the very famous Thug Cat of MN Litter Tray fame, now I believe renamed Gizmo?

Honestly, I just wanted to ask if anyone else has been in a similar situation and if so, if they decided to have a friendly chat with the neighbour, what did they say? Why is everything on every conceivable forum on MN now so bloody contentious?

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SorePawBoy · 03/11/2025 18:48

CremeEggThief · 03/11/2025 13:45

WTF have I just read? You actually think you can ask people to keep their cats in because they're fighting yours?

Insane....

I'm not sure what TF you think you did read, because nowhere did I say this ... 😂 I asked fellow cat-owners on here, some of whom have indeed been fairly sympathetic to the situation if nothing else, IF they'd had a similar situation, what would they do/say to the neighbours, if anything?

I mean, I literally say this in my OP
" I'm not asking them for vet fees obviously, it's our own choice and risk to let our cats out. I'm not asking them to keep their own cats in"

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OnlyOnAFriday · 03/11/2025 18:51

I suppose, if it were my cats who were constantly stomping on someone else's and causing injuries/vet's bills, I'd want to know.

but you don’t even know which cat is causing this? For all you know your cats are starting it. You can get mini cameras which go on collars, I keep seeing cat pov tiktok videos. Someone on tiktok found out their cat was a bully when they watched their camera footage.

this is a risk of an outdoor cat. I’d get a camera, see what’s happening and maybe if i identify a specific cat ask if it’s been neutered. Otherwise there’s nothing you can do. You don’t want to keep your cats in, your neighbours no doubt feel the same.

OnlyOnAFriday · 03/11/2025 18:52

And if someone told you your cat was causing problems/vets bills why would you want to know? What would you do? Would you keep your cat in?

SorePawBoy · 03/11/2025 19:03

OnlyOnAFriday · 03/11/2025 18:52

And if someone told you your cat was causing problems/vets bills why would you want to know? What would you do? Would you keep your cat in?

Well as I think I said further up thread in response to someone else, I would certainly be mitigating things if it was my cats who were causing injuries, yes. I'd talk to the neighbours, I'd give them a water squirter, I'd keep mine in a lot more and use a Feliway plug-in when they were at home, and I'd probably hang around outside a lot more and see if I could monitor things.

Naturally it could be my own little beggars who are starting it 😁and that was pretty much the first thing I was going to ask the neighbours if I do go round - have your cats had any injuries, have you noticed them behaving in a different way recently?

Not sure I'll be able to put Go-Pro cameras on as they don't even wear collars! We have tried. (and naturally they're chipped) Collars sent them into a spiral of panic and the cameras are quite heavy. Much though I'd love to spy on them.

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Plumnora · 03/11/2025 19:05

Are you being serious?! They're cats! There's nothing anyone can do to stop cats fighting because cats fight!
Cats hate other cats. And even if these 2 particular cats eventually leave yours alone, others will come along and do the same.
One of my cats used be covered in nicks and cuts but she still lived to a ripe old age and she would have hated to be kept indoors.
If you really can't handle your cats fighting then keep them in. But it sounds as though they're outdoor cats who don't like being in judging by their reactions when they have been shut in.
End of day, it's up to you. Keep them in where you can watch them all the time or accept that this is part of being a cat owner and let them roam freely outside where they will inevitably end up fighting with other cats.

WorthyBlueHare · 03/11/2025 19:05

Don’t go over there. It will probably settle without time as they establish hierarchy. If it doesn’t, try to notice patterns. Are there times of day your cats are more likely to get injured or return home puffed up? If so, one option prior to making them indoor cats would be to keep them in for that section of the day when their bullies are most active.

Catwench · 03/11/2025 19:07

I have a very territorial male neutered cat. If another cat comes near our drive they get attacked, even if they are trying to walk off to avoid him. He thinks he’s being tough however he has no teeth. Even though he instigates the fights it’s always me at the vets. In the last 3 months he’s had a swollen face and in a separate incident an open wound on his chest. The other cats still visit while mine is shut in. Worth a conversation to see if they know anything. You may be suprised. My other cat, a female, also has a habit of terrorising my boy and making it look like he’s attacked her, she’s noisy and hissing where as, he’s looking at her as if to say what now.

Unicorn34 · 03/11/2025 19:12

Mine are in a catio attached to the house and accessible via the back door/cat flap. Im 100% happy that they'll never get stolen, run over or beaten up by other cats (as long as they dont find an escape route!)

Endofyear · 03/11/2025 19:12

Well first of all, you don't actually know it's their cats causing the injuries, nor do you know if it's your cats starting the fights and unfortunately coming off worse!

You can go and have a friendly chat with the neighbours but don't be surprised if they shrug their shoulders and say it's not their cats. If you really want to protect your cats, you'll have to install some kind of cat-proof fencing to keep them in your garden and keep an eye on them.

SorePawBoy · 03/11/2025 20:18

Catwench · 03/11/2025 19:07

I have a very territorial male neutered cat. If another cat comes near our drive they get attacked, even if they are trying to walk off to avoid him. He thinks he’s being tough however he has no teeth. Even though he instigates the fights it’s always me at the vets. In the last 3 months he’s had a swollen face and in a separate incident an open wound on his chest. The other cats still visit while mine is shut in. Worth a conversation to see if they know anything. You may be suprised. My other cat, a female, also has a habit of terrorising my boy and making it look like he’s attacked her, she’s noisy and hissing where as, he’s looking at her as if to say what now.

oh god, your poor toothless fighter! Bless him.

I do agree with you (and others on here) that I don't actually know who is starting what. I will say though, our vet said these three injuries were typical of 'running away' injuries and tend to be seen on the cats that aggressors are fighting. Whether or not they're sitting in the other cats' territorial space (in fact I think they mostly encounter one another in the intervening garden, no-cats-land) and thumbing their noses to start things off, is another matter...

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Octavia64 · 03/11/2025 20:24

I had a bully cat.

we got him (and his sister) from a rescue.
he was neutered.

there’s not a lot you can do about it as an owner. Cats cat.

he got run over about a year after we got him and I think the neighbours were very, very happy.

we got kittens from a friend of mine who were much more social.

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 03/11/2025 20:25

SorePawBoy · 03/11/2025 18:45

Sighhh... I didn't use the word 'bully', I think? I did say 'thug-cats' as a sort of tongue in cheek shorthand, in homage I suppose to the very famous Thug Cat of MN Litter Tray fame, now I believe renamed Gizmo?

Honestly, I just wanted to ask if anyone else has been in a similar situation and if so, if they decided to have a friendly chat with the neighbour, what did they say? Why is everything on every conceivable forum on MN now so bloody contentious?

You didn't say bully and therefore my post didn't refer to you. No need to be so bloody contentious.

Mitochondriapowerhouse · 03/11/2025 20:28

OP I really feel for you. I have been in exactly the same situation. My little female cat could not defend herself and any sign of conflict she would roll onto her back and scream. She had countless injuries. Over the years she hardly went out and started showing signs of depression. She began over grooming and started to be quite aggressive with me. She put on a lot of weight and was thoroughly miserable. Eventually, I rehomed her with a friend in a relatively cat free area. I really miss her but she’s much happier now and I visit her regularly. At her new home, she goes out a lot in and out the cat door, she’s lost weight and has stopped over grooming.
Where I live (a ground floor apartment) there was no scope for a catio or to cat proof my outdoor space. I have since re homed a cat who, due to a medical condition, is an indoor cat.

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 03/11/2025 20:55

Sighhh... I didn't use the word 'bully', I think? I did say 'thug-cats' as a sort of tongue in cheek shorthand, in homage I suppose to the very famous Thug Cat of MN Litter Tray fame, now I believe renamed Gizmo?

Actually he was always called Gizmo. Thug cat just seemed a better name for him.
I suggest you keep calling your local cats bad-cats or thug-cats. You can be certain that the cats won't care.🤣

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/11/2025 22:02

................the very famous Thug Cat of MN Litter Tray fame, now I believe renamed Gizmo?

Gizmo was always his name. 🤣

He lives with me now in Scotland, and spends his days visiting everyone in the sheltered housing complex where I live. He also wanders up to the school playground. Gizmo is very popular locally. Everyone in this part of the village knows him.

the ongoing saga ... cats keep getting nobbled when out! How do I talk to neighbours?
RumNotRun · 03/11/2025 22:26

Oh look at the poor sweet baby, such a gentle boy offering his tummy for kisses, despite being maligned by @Grumpyoldpersonwithcats

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 03/11/2025 22:28

He's gaslit the lot of you.
He's still a thug 🤣