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A new one from local cat charity - one more reason I can't adopt a cat!

31 replies

Mydogsnotfat · 15/06/2023 15:42

Hi, having just filled in an initial form for a local cat charity I have been told I cannot have an animal from them as I have an un neutered dog in my household! Has anyone else come across this one?

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pippistrelle · 15/06/2023 16:25

Seems weird. Are they afraid of cross-species breeding? The production of pittens or kups?

Was there any actual explanation?

Mydogsnotfat · 15/06/2023 16:29

Makes me an irresponsible owner it seems and I could be the cause of more unwanted animals in the future. The fact that he is 8 and never sired a litter and is a registered therapy god and was un neutered on vet advice as he was a very shy puppy!!!

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pippistrelle · 15/06/2023 16:34

Oh, I see, Might be worth contacting them by phone to explain the circumstances then as forms - especially online forms - leave no room for nuance.

CandlelightGlow · 16/06/2023 13:26

I honestly don't understand the mentality of cat rescues. I commented on another thread about this already but I'm having to buy a kitten from a litter when I would have happily adopted on of their cats. I don't even have dogs just children and no babies/toddlers. No other cats either. Quite suburban area, beautiful greenery and wood/natural parks around me. But nope not suitable for the cats I apply for even though I look at their "can live with" etc and they will not engage with me when I ask generally if they feel they have any cats appropriate for me, yet get back to me within 24 hours with a 1 line reply about why a cat is not suitable.

Also, they insist all cats must be allowed to free roam. Nothing against it in principle but there is at least an established school of thought on how this might not be a good idea for several reasons, plus in my area on Nextdoor and all over the cat rescues themselves on social media, there are constant posts about missing cats?

Kenwoodmixitup · 16/06/2023 21:10

Excellent way for rescues to drive the private breeding market. Well done them 🙀

Furries · 17/06/2023 04:22

What breed is your dog? Has it lived with cats before? Only asking as some breeds are more prey-driven than others - so, in some cases, the rescue could be right.

Nandocushion · 17/06/2023 06:02

In North America virtually all shelters will insist that you sign an agreement that your cat will never be allowed outside. (And if you've ever seen/heard what a coyote does to its prey, then you'd very likely agree.) I think the unneutered dog would be seen as more aggressive? And tbh having seen how many people on mn are happy to get random dogs when they already have a cat at home, I am pleased the shelters are at least trying to protect the cats a little bit.

Roselilly36 · 17/06/2023 06:46

It’s beyond ridiculous, we tried to adopt a cat, absolutely impossible. I am of the mindset now that a lot of rescues are just money making ventures. As they clearly aren’t interested in genuinely rehoming animals.

ArcticSkewer · 17/06/2023 06:53

I'm a lot more sympathetic to rescue rules since the threads on here with people who get animals off gumtree because rescues say they are not suitable ... and guess what ... they are not suitable and want their pet put down as it's not convenient now.

This rule seems more about protecting the cat from being bred (but can they give you one already neutered) - or is it because unneutered dogs might be more aggressive with cats? (mine isn't). Worth a chat by phone with them?

maddiemookins16mum · 17/06/2023 07:00

I know a rescue who’d never give an animal to someone with an un-neutered pet in the home. It goes against their very ethos seeing as they have to clear up the misery of thousands of (mainly) feckless people who don’t/won’t neuter.

cantcopenow · 17/06/2023 07:05

I'm a lot more sympathetic to rescue rules since the threads on here with people who get animals off gumtree because rescues say they are not suitable

The problem is that they basically say everyone is not suitable; there’s no nuance. I’m not suitable because I live in a maisonette with two (older) children. We have a catproof balcony, but no garden. Never mind that I’ve had cats all my life and we were looking for a kitten because one of our cats was PTS last year of age-related complaints and the other cat is clearly lonely. I had our old cat from a kitten, but we’re “not suitable”. So I bought a kitten. She will be neutered as soon as she’s old enough and will hopefully live to a ripe old age in her unsuitable forever home.

(Yes, gardens are way better for cats! But there are too many cats, so a decent home is better than a perfect one.)

Annfr · 17/06/2023 07:15

This isn't just cat rescues. Every dog rescue I know won't let you adopt a dog, if you have an unneutered one.

YouAreShoutingAtTea · 17/06/2023 07:30

Hello OP, consider an overseas adoption, I was in the same boat as you, I live in London on a flat (not small) and have a kid, so apparently a horrible situation for a cat who probably lives now on a cabin or moved around in foster homes!
I now have a rescue from Dubai, he's so cute and the best cat ever!
I went to proper adoption procedure though: video of the flat, cat proof balcony, windows etc. PM if you want details of the rescue. In the UAE they just treat cats as pests and kill them and this amazing people rescue them and relocate around the world. Vaccinated, neutered and vet checked

vickibee · 17/06/2023 07:40

I went a long time with no success as I live on a busy road, finally adopted Vera through Sheffield cat shelter. She is an indoor cat aged 1 year and 5 months. She is very timid but has settled well apart from ruining my carpet
they didn’t bother to do a home check just a video of the home environment.

A new  one from local cat charity - one more reason I can't adopt a cat!
musixa · 17/06/2023 07:42

pippistrelle · 15/06/2023 16:25

Seems weird. Are they afraid of cross-species breeding? The production of pittens or kups?

Was there any actual explanation?

I want a 'pitten' 😄

cantcopenow · 17/06/2023 07:59

vickibee · 17/06/2023 07:40

I went a long time with no success as I live on a busy road, finally adopted Vera through Sheffield cat shelter. She is an indoor cat aged 1 year and 5 months. She is very timid but has settled well apart from ruining my carpet
they didn’t bother to do a home check just a video of the home environment.

Hello Vera! She’s adorable 😻

Prescottdanni123 · 17/06/2023 08:08

Could you phone them and explain that dog was left un neutered on the vet's advice? Or if you are still with the same vet, could you get a letter from them explaining why they don't want to neuter your dog?

CheeseandTrees · 17/06/2023 08:31

I'd call and explain the dog wasn't neutered on the advice of your vet.

I couldn't adopt a cat either Sad. The road where I live is too busy. It's a standard road of houses with a speed limit of 30. I have two pedigree cats and they spend most of their day in the house or garden. One ventures to the gardens behind us which belong to houses at the end of a cul de sac. I've never seen her out the front.

vickibee · 17/06/2023 08:57

@CheeseandTrees
I think vera is desperate to venture outside. We have a lovely rear garden but a busy road out front although it's a 30mph limit. How do you ensure she stays safe at the back

Allergictoironing · 17/06/2023 09:41

Roselilly36 · 17/06/2023 06:46

It’s beyond ridiculous, we tried to adopt a cat, absolutely impossible. I am of the mindset now that a lot of rescues are just money making ventures. As they clearly aren’t interested in genuinely rehoming animals.

Sorry, but I think you're very wrong in that assumption.

I don't think I know of a small rescue that isn't strapped for cash, and virtually everyone works as a volunteer often even the principle, and they often "sub" the rescue with their own money.

Adoption fees are peanuts when you realise what it costs to look after the cats - basic vet checks & neutering swallow every penny of that and more, before you get to any treatment the cat needs for other conditions, sometimes special foods, looking after them while they recover enough from whatever state they were in when they were brought in.

Then you get all the costs of running the place - power, water, maintenance, council tax, washing, bedding, replacing equipment, collecting cats that need rescuing ...

The larger rescues (e.g. RSPCA) are often run very much like a business, but with all the branches they have with mostly volunteers working there again, they have to have very strict rules in place and sadly as with many big businesses "computer say no" is the rule and the people at the coal face aren't allowed to consider individual cases.

At some of the very small rescues, there's just the owner and a handful of volunteers so their policies are completely down to the owner. Some are very pragmatic - a decent but not 100% perfect in every way home is still better than a crowded cage - but some are so close to the animals that they sometimes lose track of that. And of course that owner has to sign off on every adoption.

Yes I completely agree that many rescues need to be more pragmatic when it comes to re-homing animals, but the one thing they aren't is any kind of money making venture!

holaholiday · 17/06/2023 10:05

I remember the issues when we were trying to adopt a cat when we had young children….growing up with cats I personally think if you are sensible in choosing the personality of cat you get and then teaching your kids how to be respectful then there shouldn’t be an issue.luckily we are within reach of a lot of rescues so found some much more flexible than others.I know they want to minimise the risk of a failed adoption but certainly there’s become a huge problem with importing rescue dogs from Romania and other countries which seems incredibly wrong when we have so many dogs in shelter here. Having worked with animal charities abroad there are certainly some people in the rescue sector who are reluctant to let their rescues move on.

thecatneuterer · 17/06/2023 11:41

Allergictoironing · 17/06/2023 09:41

Sorry, but I think you're very wrong in that assumption.

I don't think I know of a small rescue that isn't strapped for cash, and virtually everyone works as a volunteer often even the principle, and they often "sub" the rescue with their own money.

Adoption fees are peanuts when you realise what it costs to look after the cats - basic vet checks & neutering swallow every penny of that and more, before you get to any treatment the cat needs for other conditions, sometimes special foods, looking after them while they recover enough from whatever state they were in when they were brought in.

Then you get all the costs of running the place - power, water, maintenance, council tax, washing, bedding, replacing equipment, collecting cats that need rescuing ...

The larger rescues (e.g. RSPCA) are often run very much like a business, but with all the branches they have with mostly volunteers working there again, they have to have very strict rules in place and sadly as with many big businesses "computer say no" is the rule and the people at the coal face aren't allowed to consider individual cases.

At some of the very small rescues, there's just the owner and a handful of volunteers so their policies are completely down to the owner. Some are very pragmatic - a decent but not 100% perfect in every way home is still better than a crowded cage - but some are so close to the animals that they sometimes lose track of that. And of course that owner has to sign off on every adoption.

Yes I completely agree that many rescues need to be more pragmatic when it comes to re-homing animals, but the one thing they aren't is any kind of money making venture!

Very well said!

Pudmyboy · 17/06/2023 21:05

The fact that he is 8 and never sired a litter and is a registered therapy god
Well there is the issue: only the cat can be a god in any household!
(Seriously, hope you are successful in future!)

Mydogsnotfat · 17/06/2023 21:57

Just to pop back on. While I love my dog very much he is definitely not a god😀he does already share with two cats so would be ok with another. I do understand the ethos behind neutering it just seemed such a shame.

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KnitMePurlMe · 17/06/2023 22:02

Animal shelters are money making ventures??? That’s my dose of MN batshittery for the evening 😳

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