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Namechangeemergency · 23/12/2016 11:12

Hello.
I want to get a cat after the Christmas period is safely over.
I would really like a kitten rather than an older cat.

The reason for this is that I have three small dogs and three kids still at home.
This means we are a busy, fairly noisy household albeit one that is experienced with animals.

I of course want a rescue kitten.

The first rescue I approached were very nice but are clearly not dog people and referred to my dogs as 'a pack' and expressed concern that an inexperienced kitten wouldn't cope.

My dogs are not a pack at all. They do not work in a group and are not best mates.
I am listening to the rescue. I don't want to put a kitten in danger but I have always had kittens and dogs and have never encountered an issue before.

They suggested an older cat (an adolescent) who had lived with dogs.

My biggest concern is that an older cat, once sizing up the household might just vote with their paws and bugger off before they have settled in.
A kitten is much easier to contain and introduce very slowly to different parts of the house and different residents. I would also be keeping a kitten in for a longer period. Something an older cat might find distressing.

I think my dogs would be more threatened by a large cat than they would be by a kitten. They are very small dogs, about the size of a med-large cat.

What do you lot think?

I have never had a dog injure a cat before. I find cats are much more able to size situations up and get out the way but the rescue was clearly concerned and I don't want to dismiss that

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counterpoint · 24/12/2016 18:14

How am I being hysterical by trying to see the situation from a kitten's point of view on being introduced into your household?

Actually, reading some of your replies to other posters, you don't sound terribly rational about this obsession to possess a kitten.

RubbishMantra · 24/12/2016 18:14

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Namechangeemergency · 24/12/2016 18:14

Thank you for everyone who has taken the time to share their first hand experiences of having cats and dogs together, how they did their introductions (with or without dogs), input on different ages etc.

Its been really interesting and helpful.

Its time to go and sort out the kids for Christmas Eve so I won't be back.
I can't really face more outrage that someone would want to home an animal.

For the record.
I don't have terriers.
I have toy breeds.
I have rarely had a dog without having a cat.
My children are not toddlers.
I am an ex veterinary nurse.
We live in a house with an enclosed garden.
If I was a selfish, negligent lickle kitty wuving half wit I would have bought a dozen kittens off of gumtree or preloved by now.
I was not asking for permission to get a kitten/cat I was asking for advice and experience based on facts rather than fevered imaginings.

Thank you to all who have helped. I appreciate it. Flowers

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Namechangeemergency · 24/12/2016 18:17

rubbish reported what?
Go and ask about dominance theory in the Dog House if you think I am poo pooing you.
What was the point in your gory anecdote anyway? I really do not get the bonkers behaviour on here.

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Badcat666 · 24/12/2016 18:18

It does make me laugh OP that ppl think kittens are some fragile little delicate things that cannot mix with other animal species. They aren't! Even the ill ones I have looked after are little fighters!

Have a lovely chrimbo.

Namechangeemergency · 24/12/2016 18:21

counter then I am assuming you think all the other cat/dog owners on here are negligent too?
Do you know what 'obsessed' means?

I am considering getting a cat aged between 12 weeks and 18 months.
In a few months.
From a rescue
I may get one or two depending on the cat/s

What is so worrying about that? What are the extraordinary dangers?

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Namechangeemergency · 24/12/2016 18:22

Thanks bad

I am flabbergasted at some of the responses on here.

Reported ffs.

Seriously

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Badcat666 · 24/12/2016 18:32

FFS.. If my mum hadn't taken in the counts on my fingers the 11 cats/ kittens I knew from being a baby to leaving home they would all have been put to sleep if my mum hadn't taken them in.

My mum, by bringing them into a mixed animal household, (which included medium to large dogs) saved 11 kitty lives.

11 kitties who wanted for nothing and all had laps to snuggle on, furry dogs to sleep on and play with (and protect them) , kids to play with them, full bellies and priority places in front of the fire or on human and dog beds when they wanted.

Not all dogs kill other animals. Only poorly trained dogs who are not integrated with other animals. And that is the owners fault.

lljkk · 24/12/2016 19:05

in my experience new kittens & old dogs or indeed new dogs just find a way to make do, in my household & others I have observed. It all seems to work out. But then again, I don't know people who subscribe to any theory, pack or otherwise. Sorry you got such a hard time, OP.

counterpoint · 24/12/2016 19:05

To say that all cat owners are negligent is a red herring. It's your particular situation that raises a number of concerns (plus, you have been refused by a charity).

Badcat666 · 24/12/2016 19:18

My mum was refused by one charity coughsRSPCAcoughs because we had dogs and other cats but not by another coughsBatterseaCatsHomecoughs. All charities are different.

A charity we got one of the cats from (a local small no kill shelter) were very grateful as we were willing to take in an adult cat that was classed as a "difficult cat" to rehome and had been sent back a few times and she was fine!

In fact she was the only cat I have ever known who walked straight out of the basket, ignored all the other animals and sat on my dads lap and helped him eat his dinner.

Just because "a charity" doesn't want to hand over a cat/ kitten to someone does not automatically ever make your household unsuitable.

tabulahrasa · 24/12/2016 19:18

"Kittens are not generic, you can't lump them all in the same boat.. its a matter of finding the right one to suit your home!"

That's what I was going to say...getting a young kitten doesn't guarantee they'll grow up to have the temperament that suits living with dogs and children.

Getting an older cat is in many ways a safer bet for that because they're already showing what they're like.

You get cats (more than you'd think) that haven't just lived with dogs or are used to them, but actively like and seek out dog companions...they'd suit you way more than just a kitten that grew up to tolerate them.

CherrySkull · 24/12/2016 19:43

Some people really do like to presume peoples feelings and emotions from words don't they?

There are a couple of posters on here who need to chill out. The OP is not about to feed kittens to her dogs, nor is she 'obsessed'

She's actually being very sensible and seeking advice and asking opinions... believe it or not, she doesn't have to take it once its given either!

This isn't AIBU... and it wouldn't matter if it were, because she's not.

Booboostwo · 24/12/2016 20:00

I've always had cats and dogs, including terriers and as many as 4 dogs at a time and have only ever had a problem with a cat which decided the household was too busy (also house rabbits at the time) and moved in with the neighbours.

My dogs do not behave as a pack, dominance theory is outdated and my terrier who is a natural ratter knows the difference between rats and the cats which are members of our family.

I got two kittens two years ago, sadly one died and I got two more six months ago. I didn't have any problems with them, not even with the kitten who was severely disabled. For the first few weeks I used a very large dog crate with a litter tray, bed and space to play in and made sure the kittens were safely closed off in there when not supervised.

Every morning the three cats and the dog all run out with me to check on the horses. Go for it OP, just get two kittens, it's much easier.

Namechangeemergency · 27/12/2016 21:28

Update.
I had my homecheck today from the rescue mentioned up thread.
I hadn't been refused by them Confused. I had been refused for one particular kitten. I have already mentioned that they offered me a cat a few weeks ago but I didn't feel it was the right time to introduce a new animal into my home. Too hectic and everyone out of normal routines.

The lady was really nice. Clearly devoted to her rescues. She was helpful with advice about where to keep cat until fully assimilated etc.
She asked lots of questions.
Was happy with everything and we are getting an 18 week boy tomorrow. He needs to live with children as he has come from a home where he was used to kids and noise and busyness.

Just ordered some bits off amazon. A nice tower thing so he can sit and look out of the window and have something to hop on when he eventually mixes with the dogs.

I am still amazed at some of the responses on this thread based on limited information e.g. kids and dogs.
Cannot believe the hostility to someone wanting a rescue and the accusations of selfishness and neglect.

Do you not want people to discuss animal homing? If I was a newbie or shy I would have run a mile and never come back, very probably thinking 'fuck it' and finding the nearest person who would sell me a cat.

Luckily the woman from the rescue cares about finding suitable homes for her charges.

Unless posters are going to tell me this rescue is dodgy and the rehomer knows nothing?

Thanks again to all that offered advice and experiences and those who gave me a bit of support.

boo I am planing to use one of our dog crates for a bed/hiding place/temporary safe place. We discussed their policy on rehoming two kittens and they do that with bonded siblings but this little guy doesn't have a sib that he is close to so its been decided to home him as a single.

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Namechangeemergency · 27/12/2016 21:30

It's your particular situation that raises a number of concerns
Those 'number of concerns' would be what exactly? Considering how very little you know about my 'particular situation'.

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Badcat666 · 27/12/2016 21:46

YAY to new itty bitty kitty!!!

You know we will need pic,don't you Name Grin

TrustySnail · 27/12/2016 22:03

Looking forward to seeing kitten pics!

Namechangeemergency · 27/12/2016 22:29

I will post a pic when he is settled in.
I can't sleep now!

I was fully expecting the poor woman from the rescue to march in and declare me some sort of deviant idiot for expecting to get a cat from her.
She was lovely Grin

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PinkSparklyPussyCat · 27/12/2016 22:33

Looking forward to seeing the pictures but in the meantime what colour is he, does he already have a name? Mine came ready named and it suited him so I didn't get to choose!

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 27/12/2016 22:34

Oh and don't forget to keep the box for the tower, I'm sure he'll be much more interested in that than the actual tower!

Namechangeemergency · 27/12/2016 23:09

I was a bit dubious about the tower but the lady said he had one and liked it. He is going to be in the front room for a while so will need plenty of stimulation. I bought him another toy he already likes.

He is ginger! Ginger!!! So excited.

He has a name but has only had it for a short while so I have chosen another.

You will all have to wait till he gets here and out from under the sofa or wherever he chooses to hide.

He looks gorgeous.

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Soubriquet · 27/12/2016 23:13

Glad you're getting a kitten OP

I was just about to post that my nan had 7 dogs at one point, 4 cats and still bought in the odd kitten.

That's with the grandchildren regularly visiting

It can be done by a responsible owner

Booboostwo · 28/12/2016 06:35

Wonderful update, well done OP. Now don't let us down...post photos when he arrives!

Namechangeemergency · 28/12/2016 20:21

Here he is
Ziggy Stardust

Cat/Kitten experts please help
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