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Help needed - legal stuff

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coffeeisnectar · 20/04/2016 18:40

Yes, legal about a cat.

We have four cats. The 4 year old male used to live three doors down with a family which had three boys. They previously had an additional cat which was tormented by the 4 year old boy so much which culminated in the child throwing the cat down the stairs so another neighbour across the road took her on.

The boy cat was always out and about, used to spend his time breaking into other houses (including ours) for food. Used to literally inhale cat food when he had access to it here. He was a pretty aggressive cat and used to growl, bite and scratch. Basically he was quite antisocial in the neighbourhood.

Three months ago this family were moving out. The woman asked my dp if we would feed boy cat for a week (leaving him outside in January) while they moved and settled in and then she would come back for him. She said that the new house did not allow pets and that it was going to be hard to keep him hidden. We tentatively agreed but agreed between ourselves that if it got too cold we would let him sleep in the porch.

The day of the move, she dropped off a box of cat food. We looked for the cat but he wasn't about. She later messaged me to say that she'd taken him with her.

Three days later she called me and asked me if we would take on the cat. She said the cat was miserable there and that they weren't allowed cats and that it was best if he was back where he knew. I discussed with dp and the kids (we already had 3 cats) and then agreed. She turned up the next day with the cat in a carrier. No bowl or food. We went out and bought him new bowls.

In the last three months he's a changed cat. He's sweet natured, affectionate, calm and happy. He no longer breaks into other peoples houses and has stopped attacking people in the street. He no longer inhales his dinner but eats slowly and calmly. I've given him worming treatment, flea treatment and taken him for vet treatment to have a tick removed.

Today I got a text saying she wants the cat back. I've said no. She is insisting the cat is hers, that it was only temporary and that she will give me money for his food for the last 12 weeks. I said that as far as I'm concerned this was a permanent decision and if it was only temporary why has she not offered payment for his upkeep before now.

I am terrified she is going to just come and take the cat. He is so happy here and we love him.

How can I sort this out? The microchip is not registered to us as she has never handed over paperwork. I have registered the cat at the vet with us via the chip but I am scared that this isn't enough.

Help! What do i do? Does she have a leg to stand on? I have all the text messages from when she asked me to take him.

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cozietoesie · 21/04/2016 22:04

The asterisks were the app's doing! Grin

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 22/04/2016 16:38

I keep checking to see if this thread has been updated. I'm guessing that it hasn't been good news Sad

Coffeethrowtrampbitch · 22/04/2016 16:49

I hope you get him back.

She must be keeping him inside because otherwise I'm sure he'd be back round to yours straight away, he must have been so happy with you.

I hope the police do take it seriously as if they make her hand him back, she can't snatch him again and he will be safe as the police will know she is a cat snatcher!

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 22/04/2016 16:59

Same here Dame Sad

coffeeisnectar · 22/04/2016 19:24

Hi, I've had a call from the PCSO.

They say it's a civil matter :( I asked how can they just steal a cat when I have proof it was given to me in the first place but because I didn't PAY for the cat I have no redress.

Utter fucking bollocks. I asked what would happen if someone stole one of my other cats. She said that would also be a civil matter. So basically it's fine to go round nicking any cat you want if you decide you like it.

I also asked what would happen if the cat returned here of it's own accord. She said that the cat would be making it's own decision and it would then become a civil matter for her. or she can just keep taking the cat back until it gets run over making the journey here

I am really upset, as are the rest of my family. We have the option of taking on a solicitor but the likelihood is it could cost us much more money than we could afford and I am sorry to say that we need to just let this go. I'm not happy about it at all but sadly without thousands of pounds to fight it, then I need to wait until the cat can find his way back here.

Thanks so much for all your support. It's lovely to know that others feel my pain in this.

catneuterer I'm sure you'll be pleased to be proved right on the police/civil matter thing but at the same time I'm pretty sure you'll understand why I clung to the hope that the police would help us.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 22/04/2016 19:43

She's a fucking bitch.

What's to stop you getting the cat back in the small hours? Then holiday with relative.

After all, it's a civil matter not criminal.

coffeeisnectar · 22/04/2016 19:56

Nothing. I am going to leave things for a few days/week and then think about it more. If I got the cat now it would be obvious. However, if the cat was to vanish in a week or so and then reappear here a few days later ......

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Fluffycloudland77 · 22/04/2016 20:17

Good.

Live by the sword and all that. She started it anyway.

insertimaginativeusername · 22/04/2016 20:26

The Theft Act applies to pets and that includes cats. You could consider the cat "gifted" and therefore no payment is required. If the cat was to wander of its own accord than it would be treated differently as they have a "right to roam" however in this case the cat was removed.

coffee I do hope you get the cat back.

Fluffycloudland77 · 22/04/2016 20:30

It's civil though.

Dhs ex fucked off with his car and the police wouldn't intervene because they decided it was civil.

I pursued her to a CCJ, bankruptcy, had the car deemed a conditional sale and made her pay it back plus 4% interest and court fees for that little stunt.

If anything did come you just decline to take a caution and force cps to either to take it to trial or fuck off.

They'll fuck off because trials are expensive.

Am nice person really.

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 22/04/2016 20:44

Oh how horrible, I'm so sorry Sad

DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 22/04/2016 21:08

Can you dob her into the rental agency if she's not meant to have cats?

thecatneuterer · 23/04/2016 10:26

coffee I'm not at all happy to be proved right. I wish the police would take notice of animal-related issues (except of course when I'm the cat-stealer - when I'm quite relieved they don't care). We haven't even managed to get them to investigate cats being deliberately killed by neighbours when it is quite obvious who did it.

I'm very sorry that they took your cat. He was obviously much happier and better cared for with you.

lljkk · 23/04/2016 12:11

What DameDiazepam said...

giraffesCantReachTheirToes · 23/04/2016 23:24
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fenneltea · 24/04/2016 11:54

What an awful ending for your family and the cat. Personally I think I'd bill her for his vet care, food and compensation for time caring for him, if she can't pay, you can take the cat in lieu of payment.

I'm hoping the cat turns up at yours in time, at which point I'd ensure he was a house cat for a while and deny all knowledge of him being at yours.

I would imagine the owner will get fed up of him again soon enough and end up turfing him out.

Oldraver · 24/04/2016 15:32

Very definitely send her a bill for all care including a daily boarding fee

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