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AIBU to want the cat put down?

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NagooingForGold · 04/08/2012 09:28

:(

he is 18.

He has started to leave nuggets of poo about the place.He did do this about 18 months ago but I changed their diet and it stopped. It's started again.

I did a 'big clean' yesterday and but the baby found one and put it in her mouth this morning. :(
This has been my worst fear about him :(

We had to take him to the vet yesterday as he has something wrong with his mouth.

Today I want to take him back there and not let him come back. In general he has stopped grooming himself, I have to brush him. Also he seems a bit vacant. I know I am reacting to the poo thing but it was IN HER MOUTH.

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GhostShip · 04/08/2012 11:10

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GhostShip · 04/08/2012 11:13

I'd just like to add that I'd fully understand putting it down if it was in pain and had a serious illness.

OhNoMyFanjo · 04/08/2012 11:15

I don't really understand how this has happened, you have a pet, you know it shots on tge floor and you leave your baby unsupervised enough tgat they can find it and put it in their mouth. But it's tge cars fault and so must be put down Shock

NagooingForGold · 04/08/2012 11:16

Fluffy cloud Shock No. Just no. I can't see him standing for that. That must be very distressing for them :(

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JumpingJackSprat · 04/08/2012 11:17

Nobody is going to adopt an 18 year old cat. I think for me it would depend on the general quality of life the cat has. Id rather put an 18 year old cat down while its still in relatively good shape than wait until it needs some major procedure or is totally incontinent etc and is suffering. Its not like its a young cat having these problems and treatment may stress the cat out more than the benefit he will get from having the treatment.

Not to say you should put your cat down necessarily, as only you know whether he still has a generally good quality of life. Re the poo thing I think you will just have to be extremely vigilant or keep the cat mainly in rooms that the baby isnt allowed to crawl about it unless you can supervise them both.

ShirleyKnot · 04/08/2012 11:19

Fucking hell ghost, is there really any need for that?

NagooingForGold · 04/08/2012 11:20

No OhMyFanjo that's not it.

The cat leaves small bits of poo where he lies down/ sits. Sometimes. Not all the time. I noticed it on our bed a few days ago, so he was confined to downstairs. I had not found any since but that doesn't mean that DH hadn't been cleaning them up

I did what i thought was a thorough clean of the house last night. This morning the baby was climbing and found a bit of poo on the top of the sofa. I'm not talking about a turd in the middle of the dining room or the baby getting into the litter tray.

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cozietoesie · 04/08/2012 11:23

That still sounds like arthritis to me, nagooing. That's the trouble with being that age (man or beast.) You get six things at once! When you're at the vets, I'd ask him about it. If you can alleviate one problem, the other may clear up more quickly because the animal is not so stressed or miserable generally.

TheSmallClanger · 04/08/2012 11:23

If this is just a doddery old cat with a bowel problem, YAB completely U. Just because YOU didn't clear up some poo (and how can you not notice poo? It stinks!), your cat should effectively pay with his life.

If he is old and not as manoeuvrable as he once was, having a cat-free room shouldn't be too difficult.

I know that eating cat poo isn't healthy or recommended, but toxoplasmosis is an extremely rare disease. Its incidence and dangers are vastly over-inflated by the press.

whois · 04/08/2012 11:27

If the cat is old and sick then have it put down. Sad but will be the right thing to do.

catsrus · 04/08/2012 11:29

Elderly cats can also go senile and just loose the ability to keep themselves clean. I've had many cats over the years, all of whom reached a good old age (apart from one road fatality) and this happened to one of them.

It's a nightmare to live with, stepping in wee and poo not to mention the beds . I talked through the options with the vet which were to keep cat totally confined (which i tried and it distressed her as she was used to free range of the house) or PTS. Not possible to rehome an old cat with multiple problems including no bowel control. I decided tHe kindest thing was to PTS, and I absolutely have no regrets about that as it was the kindest thing for the cat.

Have a full and frank discussion with the vet, but my view has always been that its our responsibility to make sure they have a peaceful end and are not kept alive just to satisfy our squeamishness about death. I once left it too long and the animal was clearly in distress, I learnt from that - better a month too soon than a day too late and they have to die in distress. One good question to ask vets is "what would you do if it was yours?" I've done this when in doubt and it's really helped clarify the options.

You obviously love the cat but you might have to be the sensible one here. Good luck.

cozietoesie · 04/08/2012 11:33

I also left it too long once - and equally learned from that.

NagooingForGold · 04/08/2012 11:40

I will take him back to the vet and get advice about the arthritis. Thank you to everyone for the advice. I did not think that it would be related to bowel function. He does not seem in pain, still purry and chases the odd receipt round the floor, but does not jump up anymore. He can get to his food/ water and litter tray without a climb. We groom him.

I know the OP deserved a flaming . I was somewhat emotional about my baby having poo in her mouth.

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4LoathesomeBrats · 04/08/2012 11:44

That link only suggests toxoplasmos being deadly to people with weakened immune systems, and even then only if there is a repeat bouts. And obviously probably only if untreated. It is a relatively mild illness in everybody else (excluding fetuses).

Bonus if it means OP's DD develops lifelong immunity & can't ever have toxoplasmosis be a risk in own pregnancies.

I don't want my baby eating cat muck, either, but I would have thought that parasites were a more significant risk than toxoplasmosis.

LST · 04/08/2012 11:46

If the cat is no longer getting joy out of live it's time to say goodbye.
Again if the cat is in pain or distress that is not likely to get any better.

droves · 04/08/2012 11:47

Actually this is really sad , cats do go a bit doo-Lally when they are nearing the end of their lives .

LST · 04/08/2012 11:47

*life

applecrumple · 04/08/2012 11:50

YANBU. I love cats & we did have 3, but were planning on moving house from one we own into one we would rent. As it is more likely to find a rented house/flat that does not allow pets than me that does, we had to rename them. Alright I know that isn't as drastic as putting a cat down (& unless the cat has a terminal illness, you wouldn't be able to find a vet willing to put one own anyway), but I do know how you feel. At the end of the day, you have a baby to look after & that is your priority. Don't feel guilty about not wanting your cat anymore "just because it doesn't fit n with your lifestyle". Have you tried the Cats Protection for advice? Don't go to the RSPCA, they're bloody useless

applecrumple · 04/08/2012 11:51

Rehome not rename!

NagooingForGold · 04/08/2012 11:55

It's not about lifestyle, or inconvenience.

Inconvenient is claw marks on my furniture, the times we get fleas, the hoovering up of a cat-worth of hair, spending loads of money on vets. I moan about those things, but I suck it up, I signed up for that when I took on the cats.

This is something else.

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tabulahrasa · 04/08/2012 12:02

Not jumping up anymore suggests arthritis as well - mention that to the vet

BeeMyBaby · 04/08/2012 12:17

yellowraincoat very unlikely the cat will have toxo as its 18 years old and therefore unlikely to be catching mice, also very rare for a cat to get it more than once (some papers report it can only be contracted once in their life, where as one paper said there was a possibility of reinfection 6 years after a previous infection).

nagooing put the cat down if you want, our dog was vacant and started to wee everywhere (virtually incontinent), vet agreed dog was senile and put her down. End of.

LisaMed · 04/08/2012 12:23

Our old cat aka evil cat has bony growths on her spine (can't spell the condition) and medacam made a huge difference. She also dropped a 'nugget' which was pretty unpleasant. Nothing since the metacam. Regrettably it hasn't reduced her evil, but then, she has been working on that for eighteen years and isn't giving it up now. Metacam may make all the difference for your old friend.

She has failing kidneys, is almost certainly mainly blind and is extremely creaky. The vet has been muttering about thyroid etc as there is more meat on a butcher's pencil but can't take blood samples as evil cat is too violent (yes, really, last time she was at the vets it took three of them to take a urine sample, now the vet visits us, next door helps out wearing welding gloves and evil cat still always manages to draw blood).

The thing is, I wouldn't pts for blindness, creakiness, grumpiness etc. Evil cat is still getting a good quality of life, snoozing in the sun, generally bullying me and eating twice her bodyweight in expensive food. She is also allowed to steal a lot more than she used to and she uses this fact shamelessly.

I would consider pts if she was generally and consistently incontinent and the vet could not suggest appropriate treatment. It can be incredibly distressing to cats, and if it was something that couldn't be easily dealt with, at eighteen, then I would think it has to be considered an option. Failure to groom can also be a source of distress to a cat. Cats are not human. They do not process things like us. Being blind is not the same for a cat as it is for a human, and evil cat is adjusting well. Incontinence is a bigger problem for a cat than a human.

Treatment for arthritis may make all the difference and you get your old friend back. While your old cat has any quality of life then yes you should keep trying. However I do think that you should consider pts as an option if your cat appears to be suffering. Talk frankly to the vet.

NagooingForGold · 04/08/2012 12:29

That's really hopeful LisaMed :) Thanks

I haven't seen him all morning Hmm

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NagooingForGold · 04/08/2012 12:35

He's outside. Face still fat. I'll take him in on Monday.

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