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Not knowing if it's time to say it's the end......

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alabasterangel · 01/05/2012 10:36

My old granny always used to say "if in doubt, don't" but i have no idea how to come to the right decision over this.

19 year old cat, had him since day one, always been a house cat (long boring reasons).

9 years ago he developed a small benign cyst on his flank. Vet said they would not operate due to a minor heart murmur and the risks involved for something that was benign. So he lived with it.

About 12 months ago he started changing.... He doesn't groom himself much any more and generally does what old cats do... Eats and sleeps. He's not bothered by our kids coming into the family but he doesn't do much else. He doesn't come upstairs anymore unless very necessary (I.e to wail for food!). He's a bit wobbly on his legs sometimes, but can certainly break into a run when needed to get to the window to shout at another cat.

His toilet habits are going downhill. He sticks his bum over the side of the litter tray and pees out of the tray. We've tried every format of lidded tray, high sided tray, tray inside a cardboard box.... But within a day or two he either finds a way to pee out of the box or ignore the tray and pees elsewhere. He also now refuses to poo in the tray. He poos behind the kitchen door. Basically I am clearing up pee and poo every day and the house, genuinely, is starting to smell. We've tried feliway and moving trays, several trays, etc but we have a tiny house and a crawling baby, and there is a limit as to what is practical.

5 weeks ago I came down to find big blood drops all over the downstairs.... His benign cyst had ruptured and he was bleeding a lot. Emergency vet trip, expecting the vet to tell us it was time to call it a day. Vet cleaned it up, put a buster collar on him, and said it would heal. It did, but 4 weeks on when it was pretty much totally healed, for some reason he whittled at it again and it's reopened twice in the last week. We are going back to the vets later but over the phone he said it looked like he would basically need to wear the buster collar (which he hates, can't eat or drink in, and has even more trouble using the tray wearing) for 4-6 weeks while it fully heals. The lump is still going to be there, it is still inoperable, and I don't have much faith that this isn't going to just go on and on.

I came down this morning to find a pile of poo and pee on the living room floor. I hate to sound materialistic because it's not 'important' compared to an animals life, but I am so frustrated that we had to replace the carpet 4 weeks ago because it was stained with blood.... Now we are going to have to do the same again, more blood and poo/wee going on. We are not financially flush enough to just keep doing stuff like that (who is?)

I'm trying to think its about everyone's quality of life in the family - crawling baby, 3 year old, me going back to work in a few weeks (so he'll be alone all day again) and whether this is it. But I just don't know whether the above reasons are reason enough and whether I would feel so terribly guilty afterwards thinking maybe he could have had a few more years. But the incontinence apart from anything else is horrible.

Anyone got any words of advice? I don't suppose there is a magic answer, but opinions from other cat people would be very much appreciated.

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putthehamsterbackinitscage · 01/05/2012 10:59

I know it's very hard - had to have kitten PTS recently Sad

But you need a frank discussion with the vet about his quality of life, and what that entails for all of you too....

If he is generally not doing much and is getting wobbly as well as the toilet issues etc then may be it is time to say goodbye

Be honest with yourself - does he enjoy life? Does he seem in pain? How will he be when you're at work - will he manage to eat, get to a litter tray etc?

I personally think its good to be able to decide when enough is enough.... I didn't have to put my kitten through days of deteriorating, struggling to breathe, eat etc and said a tearful goodbye knowing it was for the best

Just a pity we aren't allowed to decide that for ourselves when the time comes too....

I know it's hard but don't feel guilty about it

Sparklingbrook · 01/05/2012 11:04

I think as a cat owner myself it sounds like it is time TBH. Sad The situation isn't going to improve by the sound of it.

19 is a fantastic age for a cat.

I would have another chat with the vet.

alabasterangel · 01/05/2012 11:29

I keep thinking that - it's not going to reverse. He's also licking the fire grate (coal fire) not sure why, but has even tried to do it with the fire lit. Dementia maybe?

It sounds bad but I do feel like the vet is pushing to keep him going as long as possible - I hate to say it, but wonder if it's down to money a bit. I just wish they would suggest that they think it's time too but when i went before it was dismissed by them immediately. She said with enough care he could go on much longer.... But we don't have the resources to do that caring which is just horrible to be so blunt about.

I don't think he enjoys or doesn't enjoy life... I think he just exists really. He's not in pain as far as I can tell, but it cant be pleasant for him pooing everywhere and having a big ulcerated wound on his side (it's about 4cm diameter - really nasty to look at) and I can't see that just healing up miraculously.

Such a hard, hard thing to.

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Onlyaphase · 01/05/2012 11:41

Sympathy from here too, such a horrible decision to have to make. We've just been through this with my dad's dog, and it is not a pleasant thing to do.

It does sound like he has reached the end to me, though I am a great believer in "better a day too soon than a week too late" way of thinking. Rather take action now, than patch him up and wait until a great big crisis which will be a horrible ending.

As for the vets, if you go in there and are assertive - tell them that "this cat is 19 years old, is clearly ill, incontinent and is not getting anything out of continuing his life, and at this point we chose for him to be PTS rather than an uncomfortable treatment for a chronic condition" then I think they are unlikely to argue with you.

But given what you have said above, you may need to tell them what you want, not ask them for their opinion. My friend is a vet and in this position she tells the owners that they know their animals best, and if they feel it is time, then that is the best thing to do.

alabasterangel · 01/05/2012 11:54

It's hideous having to decide this......

It's "his life in my hands" and it's such an ultimate responsibility. Putting me off ever having another pet.

It's being assertive about it that is worrying me as I just don't know it's the right thing to do. I'm 99% sure.

We are away on holiday for a week in 3 weeks time. My friends teenage daughter has offered to feed him while we are away. I can't think I'd like the stress of her having to deal with poo and wounds either.... But then I can't really pts on that basis.

And I feel like such a horrible person for a tiny part of me thinking that it would make the rest of the families life easier....

I feel like it's murder somehow.... At the same time i know it's not going to get better and better to do it now than when he is really suffering, after all, he's not going to miraculously un-age is he?

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alabasterangel · 01/05/2012 11:55

And on an even more grim note... What happens to the cat afterwards? Do they cremate for you? Sorry to ask but never had to do this before.

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Sparklingbrook · 01/05/2012 11:58

I don't think it's fair for someone looking after him to have to clear up the poo really. It's one thing to feed a cat for a week but not the care that he requires. Sad

It isn't murder. What does your DH/DP say?

Sparklingbrook · 01/05/2012 11:59

Yes, the vets keep the cat and if you want it individually cremated and have the ashes you can I think.

alabasterangel · 01/05/2012 12:06

DH says he's been in this situation before (2 dogs and a cat before we knew each other) and had to make the same decisions.

His only other suggestion was a 'sanctuary' where he could live out his days. I disagreed with this 100% - his home is here and he'd hate that. He's not well. That's not going to help his enjoyment of life anyway.

He offered to take him if I decided to go through with it, but initial appt with vet this afternoon will be just me as H can't get away from work, so I'd have to bring him home and make another appt for H to take him back later.

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Sparklingbrook · 01/05/2012 12:11

It's so hard alabaster. We have had to do this once, she was 14 and was filling with fluid and very unwell. Fortunately the vet agreed that it was time which made it easier for me.

ExitPursuedByABear · 01/05/2012 12:13

I went throught this in 2010 with my old girl.

It does sound like he is nearing the end, and I cannot imagine that you could leave him for someone else to look after whilst you are away.

The vet came to our home to put my cat to sleep, and DH buried her in the garden.

Onlyaphase · 01/05/2012 12:14

You can get the vet to come to your house and put the cat to sleep there, this is actually much easier for the cat and for you all. The vets can take the cat away for cremation, or you can bury him in the garden if you want to.

Your DH can call the vet now and tell them that you have made a decision, and then arrange a time for the vet to call when it suits all of you. If this is the case, there is no need to stress the cat out more buy carting it to the vet at all.

I agree, you can't ask someone to look after an elderly cat in this condition. What is the poor girl supposed to do if the cat deteriorates when you are away, or something else happens?

I'm so sorry for you, I know it is hard. But part of being a pet owner is having to make this call at the end of an animals life, and do the best thing for the cat.

putthehamsterbackinitscage · 01/05/2012 12:15

I agree regaining probably isn't an option - even if you could find somewhere, he might not be happy there....

Vets appt will be hard .... Is there anyone who can go with you at all? Friend or neighbour?

A friend came with me for our last appt and for kitten to be PTS and I really needed it - I don't know how I would have coped alone....

putthehamsterbackinitscage · 01/05/2012 12:16

Rehoming - bloody iPhone Angry

alabasterangel · 01/05/2012 12:17

You know sparkling? That's exactly it... If the vet said "it's cancer, I think its best" I would feel guided and (sadly) vindicated. It's that 1% of thinking it's the wrong thing to do.

I sadly don't think he's 'very unwell' I think he's poorly, old, incontinent and life must be quite a drag. If he was gravely ill then I think it would be so much easier......

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Sparklingbrook · 01/05/2012 12:25

Is there a different vet you could see?

alabasterangel · 01/05/2012 12:36

Thank you all so much.

Totally agree about not being fair on anyone having to look after him while we are away.

I think rather than knowing in my heart it's the right time, I need to be guided by the fact that I am contemplating it at all...it's in my head as something I might have to do, then it probably is the right thing to do.

I called the vet and briefly discussed. She said to keep the appt this afternoon and that on the notes last time he wasn't 'very ill'. I'm okay to take him. I will discuss/ask if they will come back to us to pts as I agree carting him back and forth is not fair either. Its a combination of all these small things, not just a manky cyst. She asked if he had deteriorated badly - I was honest, no, but it's lots of factors involved.

Just can't even look at him at the moment!!!!

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Sparklingbrook · 01/05/2012 12:42

Yes, you need the vet to know the bigger picture definitely. It's not just the cyst. It's the incontinence, the crawling baby, 3 year old combined with cat poo is not a good combination.

And yes he could wear a collar for 4-6 weeks but that would make him miserable.

I am sorry you are having a difficult time. It is horrible, it must be affecting you badly too.

alabasterangel · 01/05/2012 12:45

Thank you. Crying again!!!

I'm going at 2.45. I'll post again afterwards.

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Sparklingbrook · 01/05/2012 12:46

Oh, i didn't mean to upset you. Good luck. Will be thinking of you. x

alabasterangel · 01/05/2012 16:51

Ok. Update.

Vet was really really nice. He said we had three choices and he had to offer all three to be fair...

1 continue what we are doing with creams and antibiotics. It won't help the toileting problems and was clear that the ulcerated cyst wouldn't ever properly heal, it would keep rupturing unless removed.

2 we take some blood tests, see what's going on with his other health, and then operate. He said he thought it wouldn't get to the operating stage as he was 99% sure that the tests would show up underlying things going on. He said he'd lost a bit of weight in the past 5 weeks, the pee/poo problems may be a sign of something more sinister as is the licking the fireplace and the wound not healing (immune problems). He said he has a heart murmur, and normally these are also a sign of other things going on and the op would be a really stressful thing.

3 PTS

I swore id hold it together, but I bawled my eyes out. He was brilliant though, said even if we did option 1 or 2 then all things considered we would be buying another year max - that he is very frail and old now. He repeatedly said he wouldn't even suggest it if he thought anything else was sensible. He was utterly lovely about it all. Told me I was def doing the right thing.

So H is taking him back at 8.30 tonight.

I do still feel so rotten about it, even though I know it's right. (I do really hope it's right....)

It's going to be surreal after 19 years not to have him. I got him when I was a student - been through 8 house moves, marriage, divorce, marriage and babies, always with him there with me. Times when I've had nothing, I had that responsibility. Going to be very very weird indeed. Dreading coming downstairs tomorrow morning....

Feel properly evil.... Irrational I know..... Also feel bit bad I can't be the one to do it but I can't, and he likes H anyway and won't feel stressed I hope. H is far more pragmatic with everything and has promised he will stay with him.

Uuurghh!!! so hard to do this!!

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Onlyaphase · 01/05/2012 17:40

It is hard. I'm so sorry.

Please be nice to yourself, although it is so difficult not to think "if only I'd done this or that, things could have been different...."

I have found that with a bit of time you can get some perspective and think that yes, you did do the right thing for your cat. But it does take time. Be brave.

Sparklingbrook · 01/05/2012 17:42

Oh alabaster I really feel for you. It is lovely that he has lived 19 years (96 in human years) and been through everything with you. Nothing can change that, you will always have those memories.

I will be thinking of you x

Fluffycloudland77 · 01/05/2012 17:52

Oh god how awful for you.

I'm so sorry for you and the cat. You'll cry, just let it all out.

alabasterangel · 01/05/2012 18:49

Thank you all. Having a HUGE glass of wine.

H is being lovely, so kind to take him.

Feel awful giving him food and pretending like nothing is happening - but I suppose he's clueless, poor thing.

Kids to bed now then it'll be time. Feels. Like I'm grieving for him and he's still actually here (weird?!)

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