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A gentle reminder regarding vaccinations before committing to your puppy/breeder

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StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 10:44

So I’m not a vet nor do I have in depth knowledge of vaccines and this is our first time pup so I don’t actually know enough to have questioned the “professionals” in all this but I just wanted to share my experience … also name changed as tbh, I feel this is probably a reflection of a lack of due diligence on my part and I feel a bit foolish about that.

So - you may not be aware that not all vaccines brands are compatible. So your breeder may use one that your own vet doesn’t. You may then have to restart your puppies vaccine programme.

I knew this could be an issue ahead of collecting our puppy and twice asked the breeder of the brand in case we had to have a back up plan. She said she wouldn’t know until they had been for their first jab. She told me not to worry as they are all compatible and if a vet tells you otherwise they are talking rubbish. So like an idiot I took her advice. Because she ls a breeder and knows what she’s talking about 😳 They were given Lepto 2.

Not one vet I spoke to within a 20 mile radius of us uses this anymore as it’s discontinued and replaced by Lepto 4 giving protection against more strains. They all advised a restart or at a minimum, boosters. Breeders vet was willing to administer second dose of their vaccine however even booking in for a later booster locally was going to massively eat into his socialisation window.

Our boy had his second of restart jabs today and by the time we are out of the vet recommended window of caution (3 more weeks) he will be 4 months and 2 weeks old. In this time while he has been out plenty on our garden, in the car, spent time at houses of friends and family, he hasn’t been able to be “on the ground” elsewhere so to speak. Hasn’t met other dogs. Is having very limited exercise. Can’t get to puppy classes. I have barely left the house other than a weekly run, do some grocery shopping or go to the vets. Also a daily cuddle walk with him which I don’t think we can do anymore as he wriggles too much. He’s bouncing off the walls now and teething so that’s a fun combo and my mental health is having an absolute hammering. I’m aware that how I’m feeling right now is making me prone to the dramatic!!

Yes I could dismiss vets advice and take him out as the risk is probably small however a) I can’t take a risk of making him ill and b) small print of pet insurance states claims could be invalid if we haven’t taken vets advice regarding immunisations. Yes I know they won’t know we’ve ignored that advice but we will and that’s bad enough. So I get I’m maybe being a little over cautious.

So yea - absolutely question your breeder and ask for their vet’s details so you can talk to them and make a back plan before collection. To be honest if we did all this again (which we won’t because so far I’ve not enjoyed an awful lot of the puppy journey) I’d insist on knowing this so I could at least book a provisional restart.

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StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 10:45

Sorry forgot to add the only brand we could get locally was Lepto 4.

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PleaseDontFingerMyPouffe · 14/03/2025 10:53

I didnt know about any of this, thanks for sharing

Thatcannotberight · 14/03/2025 11:05

A good breeder should tell you this. The vaccines are not all compatible. When I took my puppy for a check up within 7 days after I bought her, the vet checked what she'd been vaccinated with, looked it up and found that their vaccines were compatible. They " could " order in a compatible vaccines, but due to cost they won't.

As an aside, I didn't get my last dog until he was 13 weeks old, he hadn't had any vaccinations, so was a similar age by the time he could socialise. It didn't make a difference to how brilliant he was with everything in the outside world. We didn't even do puppy classes, I socialised and trained him myself.

StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 11:08

Hello That, it's reassuring to read you guys were ok, thank you x

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StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 11:09

And yes good point on the cost to order a one off vaccine.

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BoldBear · 14/03/2025 12:16

If it was only the lepto vaccine that he had to start with again there is no issue taking him out and about if he has had lepto 2 and then lepto 4. He could safely go out after the second vaccine of lepto whether it was 2 or 4 he would have protection.

There are over 200 lepto strains and so you will never ever cover them for all of them

StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 12:31

Thanks ... It's a tough one because on balance I feel I need to heed the vet advice today.

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StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 12:36

Vaccine record from breeders vet show he had Canigen Lepto 2 and Canigen DHP initially.

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Wolfiefan · 14/03/2025 12:41

We have managed to get lepto 2. It is worth checking what the breeder will give.

LandSharksAnonymous · 14/03/2025 12:42

I am sorry about your breeder/vaccination situation, it sounds crap and stressful for everyone!

If he's small (or you're strong) you can get a harness to tie him into securing that straps to your chest? That's how I take my Goldie pups out. Do try not to worry - although I appreciate it's easier said than done. It sounds like you're doing all the 'right' things.

StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 12:46

Wolfiefan · 14/03/2025 12:41

We have managed to get lepto 2. It is worth checking what the breeder will give.

Definitely and looking back I just wish I'd stuck to my guns to find the info out. I've no idea why she was so reluctant to provide this info or even her vets as I'd have been happy to do the legwork myself.

The key for me is being forewarned as I feel our experience has fucked us over a little and it could have been quite different.

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StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 12:46

@LandSharksAnonymous
Thank you ❤️ and for being so utterly lovely and supportive on the Survival thread Smile

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Breakitdownplease · 14/03/2025 12:48

Lepto 2 is being discontinued soon but yes not all brands are compatible and it can mean pup having to start course again.

ProfessionalWhimsicalSkidaddler · 14/03/2025 12:51

Thanks for sharing. You’re doing the lords work 😉 I had this with my dog. No vet nearby sold the same brand and they absolutely weren’t compatible. We had to start again and obviously it cost more. Frustrating! Makes you think they shouldn’t bother and it should be up to one party only… breeder or owner.

thislifer · 14/03/2025 13:21

Don’t you have any friends who have dogs who are vaccinated? Surely your puppy can hang out with them?

StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 13:29

We do but they are all big bouncy dogs with behaviour issues and he (border terrier) is tiny - even for his age - so friends have actually said to me their dogs are probably best introduced later.

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Thatcannotberight · 14/03/2025 13:58

@StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife how did I know what your dog was ? My dog's best friends are Labs, Retrievers and whippets. It does get better. I've had two.

A gentle reminder regarding vaccinations before committing to your puppy/breeder
A gentle reminder regarding vaccinations before committing to your puppy/breeder
BoldBear · 14/03/2025 13:59

It is great to give out info but can you confirm that the issue was the lepto jab?

As that is incorrect info you have been given.

If the first DHP vaccine was Canigen and the vet does not use canigen then correct your dog is not covered and will have to start those vaccines again

if they had the Lepto 2 and then got lepto 4 the dog would be ok to go out and about but the vet would also give the second lepto 4 2 weeks after the first lept 4 to be covered against the 4 strains. For many years dogs only had the lepto 2.

It is usually the DHP vaccine that causes the issues and delay in getting the dog out on the ground.

If this does happen to others shop around with the vets as other local vets may stock the original vaccine. You do not have to stay with one vet you can just get the vaccine. Novibac and Canigen vaccines are compatible. Some vets do make this more of an issue than it needs to be.

StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 14:06

@Thatcannotberight
Ahhhh so beautiful. I remember seeing those pics on a previous thread and popping off to Etsy to find similar bandanas. They will be a while until they fit him as they still almost cover his entire back! Grin

Thank you x

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StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 14:08

He's been super sleepy since his jab and is currently chasing the sun around the lounge for a nice spot for a nap

A gentle reminder regarding vaccinations before committing to your puppy/breeder
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StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 14:11

Hi Bold you could be right and if I could rewind I would absolutely have researched more and asked more questions before collection. I'm still not 100% I've been given the right info and yes, maybe the vet today was making more of it but she has access to all his jab history.

I wanted to make this thread more as a caution to others to check it out. Even on this one thread I'm not the only one it's impacted. But we are where we are now.

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Thatcannotberight · 14/03/2025 14:42

StrugglingWithThisPuppyLife · 14/03/2025 14:08

He's been super sleepy since his jab and is currently chasing the sun around the lounge for a nice spot for a nap

He's a smasher. They do love finding the sunny bits to sleep in. A puppy is always a shock to the system, but once they can go out and let off some steam it gets better. Are you getting BT zoomies?

Bupster · 14/03/2025 19:32

My vet issued a press release today about why Lepto 4 is now the main one:

“Given the increased incidence of L2 vaccinated dogs contracting leptospirosis, the medicine team at Davies strongly advise use of the quadrivalent vaccine (L4) to protect dogs from as many serovars as possible.” We are committed to ensuring the optimal health of our patients and so the small minority of clients whose dogs have been previously vaccinated with Lepto 2 will receive two doses of Lepto 4 four weeks apart to benefit from the increased spectrum of protection.

That's why they're being super-careful. I was a bit exasperated when I found out my breeder wouldn't do the first vaccine but in retrospect I'm glad as all of them were done at my vet's in the end. I took my pup out in a rucksack - even to the dog park (outside the fence) so he could have a sniff at other dogs and observe.

Wolfiefan · 14/03/2025 21:02

But there are many more than 4. I won’t give L4 due to the many reported reactions to it. We are switching to titre testing only.

LibisMum · 15/03/2025 12:09

Wolfiefan · 14/03/2025 21:02

But there are many more than 4. I won’t give L4 due to the many reported reactions to it. We are switching to titre testing only.

you can't titre test for Lepto reliably though can you? As immunity naturally wanes even after vaccination, which is why it is annual. I imagine your Wolfie is not a great puddle drinker? my friend's wasn't - my retrievers are though, and lots of rats around here.

My most recent dog's breeder doesn't vaccinate, my vet has switched to L4 now. On balance I decided to vaccinate - but it's a risk either way. Just depends what you think the balance of risk is for your dogs. I no longer use chemical flea & wormer - I do worm counts, send off samples every 6 weeks, and I raw feed.

Not easy decisions to make. I am a scientist, so I know how to read scientific research papers and assess them, but I also know how under reported adverse vaccine reactions are - AND adverse reactions to flea and wormer meds as I've had experience of it with two dogs. We don't know what we don't know when the data is not being gathered. It's a minefield.