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Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!

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YorkshireFelix · 26/11/2024 23:01

New thread to get us through the festive season! Angelic and naughty teenage pups all welcome Halo

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PyreneanAubrie · 05/12/2024 08:36

brushingboots · 05/12/2024 08:00

In today’s Times, a LGD in action!

That's brill! Maremma is the Italian LGD breed.
There was an article about wolves on the BBC website a couple of days ago that showed LGD in the Carpathian mountains. Sadly there is talk of a wolf cull being needed, but nonetheless it does emphasise how important protection dogs are.
There's definitely more recognition now that these dogs have a function and still play an important role in predator control and conservation.

LGD are being used more in the UK now. Brie's mum, older sister and litter brother are all on working farms. A local farmer stopped his tractor to ask us about Brie a few weeks ago, he said he knows of LGD being used on a Welsh sheep farm. He'd been seeing us about this summer and had watched her grow from a tiny fluffy pup to a large solid dog, he also remembered our previous boy.

I love their working heritage, just as all of you here appreciate the working qualities of your various gundog breeds. Even if they're primarily a house pet, their working instincts can still be honoured and respected.

Thanks for sharing this pic 😊

LibisMum · 05/12/2024 08:38

goodness @PyreneanAubrie just catching up - very glad you are sticking around this thread. Like you I have had pups since pre internet - how did we ever manage eh?

I'm also old school - I take on board the new positive training methods (which is what we always used with retrievers anyway tbh), but "no" is one of the most useful words in my training vocabulary. I've never had a dog not end up knowing that it simply means "stop what you are doing or thinking of doing". My 4 eat together, in a utility room, they clean each other's bowl when done (someone else's must have been nicer) but they do not resource guard their food and they have been trained to sit nicely and wait for it while I "mess around" putting in the various supplements two of them need. I can take anything away from any of them, including food. Handy when they find a cooked lamb bone on the field that a fox must have taken from a bin 😱

While Libi was being trained around food she was confined to the other side of a baby gate, fed there, made to SIT before the food was put down and WAIT before being told to eat it. OMG USING HER FOOD AS A TRAINING AID 😱 Some people would jump on me for that 😆. When she stopped being a screaming banshee she was allowed in with the others and began to follow their lead of just sitting and waiting patiently.

She's my 13th dog, 7th pup, since the mid 1980's I reckon I must be doing something right - including learning from my mistakes.

I choose the threads I take in part with a bit of care these days - I often have a whole reply written then delete it and don't post as it's not worth the aggro. The other tip is to have a completely different username for threads other than this one - then you can post and not have any disagreements follow you around the forum.

PyreneanAubrie · 05/12/2024 09:33

Good advice @LibisMum Goodness - you've had loads more dogs than me! Wow! Feeding 4 together is very impressive! I'm keeping my fingers crossed for puppy 10, potentially this time next year... We shall see. Depends if I make enough progress with my lead walking. I'm the one in training this time, not Brie.

Ours have all sat and waited for the food, then we encourage them to lie down with the bowl between their forelegs. It's taken a lot of work with Brie, she was the biggest pup in a large litter, she was greedy and she ate fast - another reason for me sitting on the floor and handling her food (which I'm now told I shouldn't do). She's now eating far more slowly and is getting used to lying down while I prep the food. We also stick with 4 meals daily (light breakfast and supper, a larger lunch and dinner) to minimise the risk of GDV, but I dare not publicise that on MN as I'm sure that the modern dog training experts would frown upon it.

I know everyone has their own way of doing things and I need to learn not to push my own methods, even if they have worked for me. I was really talking about using mealtimes to establish trust with your puppy, but some people clearly think trust means fling food down and don't touch it... For me, it's vital to be able to take away things they pick up. I'm not going to change how I do stuff, I've never had a snapper or a growler, and, with a dog that weighs more than I do, that's my priority.

I have changed my name again, after I temporarily ran away yesterday, but obviously too late for current threads, so I daresay I can be followed and trolled should people choose.

I think I have probably opened up another can of worms in relation to scatter feeding 😬Maybe I really should bow out for a while and learn to keep quiet.

LibisMum · 05/12/2024 09:59

Its the rescues that bump up the numbers! We've had 6 of them, only one was actively looked for when we suddenly lost the one remaining dog we had. We were trying to decide rescue or puppy - and ended up with both, both Flatcoats. There have been a few years when I was a single dog household, but generally at least two, this is the second time I've had 4.

I knew I wanted to finish off, puppy wise, with a golden and a flatcoat, so these two have been in the planning stages for many years. I had to wait a year for River, the Golden, to be born, then luckily, when I decided the time was right for another FC, spotted a breeder I had my eye on was expecting a large litter.

The two little dogs are both rescues, neither planned, one (cairn X) was found when I was at the RSPCA picking up some chickens (used to keep them in my old house) and it was love at first sight. He had already been reserved though - and went off to his new home - but then I got a phone call to say they had brought him back for fighting with another family dog - so it was meant to be. Yes, he is reactive to entire males, so can only be walked on lead, but he has been a fabulous little dog and absolutely LOVES puppies, and still adores them when they grow up and grooms them regularly. The other little one I found out about at a funeral, my friends' mum died - leaving behind a 6 month old Mini Schnauzer pup, who came to me while they sorted out where he was going to go. He fitted in so well it was decided he would stay with me. That was 6 yrs ago - just as I was planning the Flatcoat pup - so that was put on hold while I got him sorted with recall etc. Much more of a challenge than any retriever🤣.

I was going to wait until the old terrier died before getting the FC pup - but honestly, he's about 13 now and still perky as anything so I though "sod it" I need to get a puppy now, while I still have the energy to deal with the sleepless nights etc.

Have you always had Pyreneans? There is a big advantage to knowing your breed, what you are looking for, how they respond to training etc.

thewalrus · 05/12/2024 10:31

@PyreneanAubrie , sorry you had a tough time yesterday. I'm glad you're feeling better enough to stay here at least. I haven't been around for long, but I'm definitely a fan of the supportive and thoughtful feel of this thread.
Lovely mizzly walk for us this morning - the sea has calmed down enough that Bear can play it in again, so she was happy and had a lovely run around with a few other dogs and no running off and ignoring me :)

PyreneanAubrie · 05/12/2024 11:36

I find it really interesting how people choose or find their dogs @LibisMum . Or, in some cases, the dog finds them.
I've never been brave enough to take on a rescue dog although we have had a couple of rescue cats. It's partly because I think I'm a one-breed person but also partly space. If I had more room I'd consider doing Pyrenean rescue, but we have a small house and small garden so puppies are easier.
We are semi-rural, we do a lot of walking and have easy access to moorland, woodland and open fields so although we're in a small property we manage fine.

I've had 8 Pyreneans and one Anatolian. The first Pyrie, when I was 13 and we lived in a city flat, was a guard dog for my parents business. My dad chose the breed and he chose well! She had 11 happy years of being a pet in a lovely location in Cumbria after we relocated when she was 18 months. My folks also had an Anatolian boy (very rare breed back then), and followed that with another PMD. So while I say 8 PMD, strictly speaking it's only six in my adult life here in Lancs with my partner, but I was very much involved with my parents three dogs also.

We've had three boys and three girls here, all overlapping so two dogs or three dogs together, including half-sisters that were only 4 months apart. We had planned to get another girl while we still had our previous boy, but we lost him prematurely aged 7 to a Nobivac reaction and it took almost three years for us to feel ready for another dog. So Brie is currently an only dog. We are considering a boy pup when she is 18 months or 2 years, we have a few connections in the breed so we're looking into it and, as we're getting on a bit, we know that will likely be our last pup. We won't be breeding; we'll spay Brie once we commit to a pup.

We love the breed, it suits us well. I have very bad anxiety and I'd never cope with a high energy dog or a yapper. I really should have been opting for a smaller dog at 60, but just couldn't, it was a Pyrie or nothing, I just love their character and strange breed traits. They're fascinating and wonderful to live with. They aren't easy, they're incredibly stubborn, very dodgy recall (frankly, nonexistent in the bitches), and are immensely strong. They moult heavily, have a loud bark and get separation anxiety, but for us they've been worth every sacrifice. They're very calm, quiet and well-mannered at home, great with the cats, not particularly demanding of exercise but we love doing long walks with them.

I'm far from being a natural dog person, but I know my own breed inside out and that, here, is probably my downfall. The weirdly idiosyncratic brain of LGD dogs means I really shouldn't offer advice.

CaptainBeanThief · 05/12/2024 12:50

@PyreneanAubrie
I saw the thread,
I was tempted to tell them all to piss off, I do exactly the same with Milo, along with grab him by the scruff of the neck, mess/ touch eyes mouth and ears. It's GOT to be done to raise a well rounded dog.
Most of the people on their have probably never owned a dog so forget them 🙎
Here's Milo cheering you and brie on
( No he's not laying on his back 😁)

Ugh excuse my chunky arse thigh since my gangrene / fascitis debridement fatter than ever 👀

Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!
CaptainBeanThief · 05/12/2024 13:03

Whoops,
It didn't last long
#milosforeverpose

Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!
PyreneanAubrie · 05/12/2024 13:18

Ha @CaptainBeanThief
I hope this pose is not copyrighted to Milo....😁

Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!
Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!
CaptainBeanThief · 05/12/2024 13:39

Omg @PyreneanAubrie I just want to get on the floor and spoon brie so is so snuggly id kick my husband out of bed for her, most definitely 🙄

I saw somebody walking the "pigeon protector" dog the other day and I thought about you and smiled :-) xx

PyreneanAubrie · 05/12/2024 13:45

CaptainBeanThief · 05/12/2024 12:50

@PyreneanAubrie
I saw the thread,
I was tempted to tell them all to piss off, I do exactly the same with Milo, along with grab him by the scruff of the neck, mess/ touch eyes mouth and ears. It's GOT to be done to raise a well rounded dog.
Most of the people on their have probably never owned a dog so forget them 🙎
Here's Milo cheering you and brie on
( No he's not laying on his back 😁)

Ugh excuse my chunky arse thigh since my gangrene / fascitis debridement fatter than ever 👀

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Ah no, it was just me being an overly sensitive know-it-all and thinking I was being helpful. Which clearly I was not, because mine isn't a proper dog, it's a weirdo like me. So I had a complete crying baby panic attack. Pathetic snivelling wretch that I am. Went into fight or flight 🙄

No apology needed my dear, in fact I see your chunky arse thigh and raise you my massive oedema calves and ankles. I have cankles Urgh. I can't even get wide-leg wellies on any more, never mind wear beautiful glamorous riding boots like all the local toffs do😭

PyreneanAubrie · 05/12/2024 13:50

CaptainBeanThief · 05/12/2024 13:39

Omg @PyreneanAubrie I just want to get on the floor and spoon brie so is so snuggly id kick my husband out of bed for her, most definitely 🙄

I saw somebody walking the "pigeon protector" dog the other day and I thought about you and smiled :-) xx

Well exactly, I'm sleeping downstairs with her, I tell the husband it's my spinal pain... but nah, it's for the Baby Bear, what girl doesn't harbour Polar Bear cuddling fantasies.

I haven't even seen the Pigeon Protector and it makes me smile 😊

YorkshireFelix · 05/12/2024 14:09

Hiya!

Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!
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PyreneanAubrie · 05/12/2024 14:13

YorkshireFelix · 05/12/2024 14:09

Hiya!

Oh, it's catching! There's an epidemic of lounging, loafing pups.

(I love your cartoon veg cushion, btw)

CaptainBeanThief · 05/12/2024 14:17

Oh, Milo what have you done 🫢😱
Lazy pups!!

PyreneanAubrie · 05/12/2024 14:33

thewalrus · 05/12/2024 10:31

@PyreneanAubrie , sorry you had a tough time yesterday. I'm glad you're feeling better enough to stay here at least. I haven't been around for long, but I'm definitely a fan of the supportive and thoughtful feel of this thread.
Lovely mizzly walk for us this morning - the sea has calmed down enough that Bear can play it in again, so she was happy and had a lovely run around with a few other dogs and no running off and ignoring me :)

Thank you 😊I'll be okay.
It's just a bit weird when you think you're being helpful and someone tells you you're doing everything wrong. Anxiety and self-doubt creeps in.

This is indeed a safe and supportive little thread and I am very, very grateful to all our regular posters here.

I'm glad you had a lovely walk this morning and that your little Bear wasn't too unruly. It sounds as if she had a lot of fun anyway.

brushingboots · 05/12/2024 14:34

Current status…

Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!
thewalrus · 05/12/2024 14:56

Bear spends a lot of time in The Pose, or draped on the back of the sofa by the window, but has gone for this one this afternoon...

Adolescent Dog Survival Thread - Bark the Herald, furry angels sing!
PyreneanAubrie · 05/12/2024 15:14

She's clearly working very hard @brushingboots , earning her keep!

PyreneanAubrie · 05/12/2024 15:17

Ah @thewalrus The fallen out of bed pose. Our cats have all been adept at this one.

Her colouring is beautiful, what a gorgeous pup!

YorkshireFelix · 05/12/2024 15:21

Lots of lazy pups today. Must be the grey drizzly weather!

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CaptainBeanThief · 05/12/2024 15:38

@thewalrus
Bear is gorgeous
I reckon we should get "the pose" viral 🤣🤣

YorkshireFelix · 05/12/2024 16:47

For those of you who fed three meals a day as pups - what age did you change to two? Vinny can be a bit of a grazer most of the time, but sometimes won't eat at all for hours then eat his meal in one go, or sometimes just eat his meal when I put it down. There's no rhyme or reason to it.

He will be 6 months on Saturday. I'm sure I read somewhere that 6 months is around the time you drop it down to two?

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CaptainBeanThief · 05/12/2024 17:05

I think I dropped Milo down to 2 about 8-10 months, its very dog dependent.
Milo doesn't put weight on very easily ( I'm assuming this as he's not been castrated) dogs seem to struggle to put weight on and remain a "stable" weight when they are not castrated. I do feed him "more" with his two meals though to keep his weight on if you see what I mean?

brushingboots · 05/12/2024 17:11

@YorkshireFelix I think we dropped lunch at about six months – I'd have read the same guidance. She was such a bad eater back then anyway that she hardly ever ate it so didn't seem to miss it. Now she usually has a bit of whatever I'm making myself if I have lunch and she seems sated.

Dropping lunch is quite freeing as you don't have to worry about feeding if you take them out during the day. Can recommend!