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Puppy Survival Thread for New and Old Pups - here comes winter 2024

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Bupster · 05/10/2024 19:14

I thought I might as well be the one to start the new thread! Nothing to report but a sleepy puppy over here.

Puppy Survival Thread for New and Old Pups - here comes winter 2024
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ComeTalkToMe · 18/12/2024 07:24

ConsternationStation · 18/12/2024 07:10

@ComeTalkToMe aw, isn't she beautiful? I think that the fact we are aware of the breed's needs will actually go a long way to helping meet them. The puppy stage feels quite overwhelming because there is SO much that I want to teach her so that she's a well-rounded, obedient, sweet dog but it can feel like you're not making much progress. There's definitely been progress in the two weeks we've had N (she's 10 weeks old tomorrow) but there's not a lot of consistency yet! I can't wait to be able to take her out!

@ConsternationStation Getting Belle out and about helped A LOT! Think we were all going a bit stir crazy 😀

She loves being off lead, but I do have to take her on lead walks a fair amount because of roads and generally other people. She pulls like mad, although this morning I feel she was a bit better.

@Twiglets1 you miss the puppy days?!? I can’t imagine me saying that ever 😂I thought I was prepared but I wasn’t - although she was adorably cute from the moment we met her…

Ineedanewsofa · 18/12/2024 07:25

Thanks all 😊 any toilet training tips? I reckon we’ve got about a 50% success rate at moment but she hates going outside in the rain!
Photo of how she spends the bulk of her day at the moment

Puppy Survival Thread for New and Old Pups - here comes winter 2024
Twiglets1 · 18/12/2024 07:34

Ineedanewsofa · 18/12/2024 07:25

Thanks all 😊 any toilet training tips? I reckon we’ve got about a 50% success rate at moment but she hates going outside in the rain!
Photo of how she spends the bulk of her day at the moment

See - this is why I miss the tiny puppy days.

The cuddling, not the toilet training! 50% success rate isn’t bad… just have to be consistent with taking them outside at the first sign of sniffing, circling, being awake… and loads of praise & treats when they get it right.

Must admit I was toilet training in the summer which probably was a lot easier.

brushingboots · 18/12/2024 07:53

Welcome fellow spaniel mother, @ComeTalkToMe! They're just the best dogs. As @ConsternationStation says, the fact that you're thinking about the breed needs will get you a long way. If you get into gundog work with her (even without the intention of ever going near a shoot) you'll most likely get addicted to it. Watching spaniels safely and happily spaniel is the best thing.

I definitely do not miss the tiny puppy days but promise that they'll be over in a flash so take all the photos and videos of the tiny puppy faces while you can!

YourMumsATerf · 18/12/2024 07:58

My tips are watching like a hawk and every 30 mins outside, even in the rain. You cannot relax apart from 5 minutes right after coming in after a successful trip. My dog is a breed that hates water - I never make a fuss just say 'go wee wees' every time I take her out.

I never play outside unless after a wee or poo, don't talk unless it's good girl or go wee wees. Very boring! Even when she picks up a stone. She's 13 weeks and goes to the back door now but no way do I trust her haha. If I see her by the door but I'm quite far away I use her cue to let her know I've seen her otherwise it's well for gods sake I'm by the door woman what more do you want? And wee on the mat 😂

my last puppy was a June pup and i think there's pros and cons, the pros of summer are definitely more for the owner's benefit-light practically all the time, warm and generally being outside more

pros for winter are a clear outside and inside distinction (is that the right word?) and as a consequence am more strict, less laid back and more determined to get this done!

I have cried and fantasised sending her back and mourning my old life (so dramatic 😂) my dh was working at the office when our last puppy was here 14 years ago and so was quite frankly astonished at the amount of work involved!

consistency consistency routine routine structure structure as infintum or whatever the saying is! Haha

ComeTalkToMe · 18/12/2024 09:22

brushingboots · 18/12/2024 07:53

Welcome fellow spaniel mother, @ComeTalkToMe! They're just the best dogs. As @ConsternationStation says, the fact that you're thinking about the breed needs will get you a long way. If you get into gundog work with her (even without the intention of ever going near a shoot) you'll most likely get addicted to it. Watching spaniels safely and happily spaniel is the best thing.

I definitely do not miss the tiny puppy days but promise that they'll be over in a flash so take all the photos and videos of the tiny puppy faces while you can!

Thanks @brushingboots - have looked up a local gundog trainer and will be getting in touch. I’m interested in anything that makes her happy, and then hopefully content at home!

I know what you mean about being over in a flash, she has changed so much already - just some days it doesn’t feel like that!

YorkshireFelix · 18/12/2024 09:42

Nice to see some more cocker pups! Our boy Vinny is now 6 months so the puppy days are still fresh in my mind. I also do not miss it 😂 But adolescence has kicked in for us now which brings a whole new set of challenges.

We did a puppy life skills course with a gundog trainer and whilst it was more about general training for pups, it was really useful to do it with someone who has the knowledge about gundogs and how to harness their natural abilities. We will be signing up to the adolescent course in the new year then the beginner gundog course.

CoubousAndTourmalet · 18/12/2024 09:55

Good post @YourMumsATerf
I've done summer and winter pups also and agree that there are pros and cons with both. I suppose the advantage for those of you with young pups right now is that you'll be through the toilet training and into getting out for proper walks by the time the lighter nights arrive.

My girl is almost 9 months so we're firmly into adolescent territory now. Coincidentally, this is the first pup my husband has co-reared; he also was full-time in an office for our five previous pups and he's been shocked by how exhausting puppy parenting is!

And yep, I agree with you - establishing a good routine with pup early on is key to retaining sanity 😬

CoubousAndTourmalet · 18/12/2024 10:06

Need to point out that I was Pyrenean Aubrie, had computer issues, lost a load of stuff - couldn't retrieve my MN account after accidental deletion but MN people okayed it for me to start a new one, hence name change. Just in case someone thinks it weird. I do only have one account.

I want to say to @peachgreen that Betty is gorgeous and I'm glad that you're both doing so well now 🤗

ComeTalkToMe · 18/12/2024 10:37

@YorkshireFelix We have signed up for puppy classes in January, although now I know Belle I’m wishing I had looked for gundog specific ones. I cannot imagine it will be her cup of tea, but I could be wrong. She’s so switched on, but I just think something more tailored to her would be better. All paid for now, so will give it a go!

YorkshireFelix · 18/12/2024 10:45

ComeTalkToMe · 18/12/2024 10:37

@YorkshireFelix We have signed up for puppy classes in January, although now I know Belle I’m wishing I had looked for gundog specific ones. I cannot imagine it will be her cup of tea, but I could be wrong. She’s so switched on, but I just think something more tailored to her would be better. All paid for now, so will give it a go!

I think a general puppy class will be completely fine, then something more gundog specific when she's older. There's some good YouTube channels I've found useful such as Mordor Gundogs who have some great videos about cockers/gundogs in general and how their brains work. I watched a few before we got our pup and it helped me work out what was important to teach him and how to do it.

I think a lot of working dogs don't start breed specific training until they are a bit older anyway so I wouldn't worry about it for now Smile The trainer we see doesn't do gundog classes for any dogs under 6 months. I think Vinny will be more like 8-10 months before we start properly.

haggisaggis · 18/12/2024 10:48

I’m still not convinced our wee mutt is getting toilet training, but I think a lot of that is because there is no immediate in then out as we need to carry him downstairs. However he has quickly cottoned on to understanding he gets a treat after peeing outside - so now splits his pees! Short pee - run to mum, treat. Finish pee, another treat! He’s not daft. He is loving the Christmas tree - the ornaments are gradually working their way up the tree! I remember that from last dog - a tree devoid of ornaments on bottom couple of feet.
I hate the puppy biting. We get a frenzy around 9 pm when he’s totally manic.
Can you give frozen carrots, yak chews to 12 week pups? He’s needing somemThing.

ew1990 · 18/12/2024 10:49

Ineedanewsofa · 18/12/2024 07:25

Thanks all 😊 any toilet training tips? I reckon we’ve got about a 50% success rate at moment but she hates going outside in the rain!
Photo of how she spends the bulk of her day at the moment

I'm In the thick of toiler training, started with pads but now I just take her out after every sleep, every playtime everytime she's eaten and when I see her circling, I reckon we are 75% of toilet done outside which I'm taking as a win as we only got her on the 7th,
The rest of wees are on her puppy pad with a couple of poos on the door mat 🙈🙈

YorkshireFelix · 18/12/2024 10:54

haggisaggis · 18/12/2024 10:48

I’m still not convinced our wee mutt is getting toilet training, but I think a lot of that is because there is no immediate in then out as we need to carry him downstairs. However he has quickly cottoned on to understanding he gets a treat after peeing outside - so now splits his pees! Short pee - run to mum, treat. Finish pee, another treat! He’s not daft. He is loving the Christmas tree - the ornaments are gradually working their way up the tree! I remember that from last dog - a tree devoid of ornaments on bottom couple of feet.
I hate the puppy biting. We get a frenzy around 9 pm when he’s totally manic.
Can you give frozen carrots, yak chews to 12 week pups? He’s needing somemThing.

They really aren't daft! Our boy took quite a while to get toilet training but then it just clicked all of a sudden at around 4.5 months. I thought he would never do it. Just keep doing what you're doing and he will get there eventually.

Frozen carrots are fine but I didn't give ours a yak chew until he was much older as they are really hard and I don't think they are ideal for puppy teeth. I got a nylabone and another puppy safe chew from Pets at Home which you could pop in the freezer. I also got a puppy safe box of natural chews online from a place called Chomp & Chew, which I think was ok from either 10 or 12 weeks. That was a lifesaver at the time!

brushingboots · 18/12/2024 11:54

@ComeTalkToMe It can’t hurt to go to ‘regular’ classes anyway even if all it does is reinforce what you’ve already taught her, and in a more distracting environment. I didn’t do any puppy classes, just started gundog training at five months but I don’t think it matters as long as they’re happy and you feel able to do what you want and need to do. We started doing gundog-type skills with her at home when she was 13/14 weeks, just keeping it extremely fun with no expectations and really short bursts.

@haggisaggis I started mine on frozen carrots at 12 weeks – she didn’t and still doesn’t like yaks much. If you don’t mind the sight/smell it’s worth having a look at which natural chews are OK for little teeth and mouths too as there are loads out there and plenty are fine at that age for just shoving in their mouths so they’ve got something except you to bite. JR and Anco have lots, and I order stuff from a lovely company called Bodhi and the Birchtree too – there are lots around now.

I remember the 9pm manic phase well – the witching hour! It does pass and you’ll soon enough get to the cuddly pup on the sofa phase.

Bupster · 18/12/2024 12:06

@haggisaggis I think they say 16 weeks or over for Yakers yak chews. I probably waited that long as I'm very rule-abiding. I don't think you have to worry that much though - Bill just wasn't a strong enough chewer as a puppy to hurt his teeth on anything (and god knows he chewed on everything, including gravel 🙄)

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haggisaggis · 18/12/2024 12:23

Thanks I’ll look online for natural chews. Think we have bought everything in Pets at Home suitable for puppies to chew!

Ineedanewsofa · 18/12/2024 12:26

We’ve gone reindeer antler, she absolutely loves it - all the packaging says suitable for puppies and she seems to love it

CoubousAndTourmalet · 18/12/2024 13:28

A lot of it is down to whether you have a hardcore power chewer or just a nibbler. It can also depend on the size of dog.
There are a couple of vets on here that will tell you Antler and Yak chews are not recommended because they have no give and can break puppy teeth.
I think it mostly comes down to knowing your own dog/puppy and judging its individual bite strength then determining what you feel is safe.

ComeTalkToMe · 18/12/2024 16:10

The natural chews - the smell 😂We also got a box from Chomp and Chew and my son had to leave the room as she crunched through a chicken foot. She has loved them all though and it gives us some respite from the craziness in the evening! The lamb braid has been the best as no real smell.

@brushingboots when you say gundog type training, what type of thing if you don’t mind sharing? Could start some bits in back garden/ dog field maybe, might help her get enough stimulation?

ConsternationStation · 18/12/2024 16:25

Oh I'm not a fan of this bitey, chewy, manic stage. For 20 minutes a couple of times a day N just loses are head and goes made around the living room, chewing and biting everything and everyone. Complete with zoomies! She's already taken out some of the Christmas tree lights and put a few little holes in some of DC's trousers. It's a good thing that I was aware that this is totally normal and shouldn't be super long lived, cos otherwise I'd be completely believing I've bitten off more than I can chew. Pun not intended

haggisaggis · 18/12/2024 16:46

@ConsternationStation agree it’s a nightmare. I know it’ll stop but it’s soooo annoying (and painful!) at the moment.
Our last dog had antler chews but used to manage to throw them! Our wooden floor got wrecked as it was scratched/ dented so often by antlers flying across the room. Swore this mutt would not get any! Have ordered some ears from Chomp and Chew and we’ll see how he gets on with them.
anyone got any ideas for dealing with car sickness? Dog throws up within 2 minutes of leaving the house. I think it’s through nerves- we had an 8 hour trip from the breeder and he wasn’t happy. I’m planing to just sit in the car with him, engine off, and gradually build it up (today he ate his lunch there) but any other ideas gratefully accepted.

Bupster · 18/12/2024 17:21

@haggisaggis I think you're doing exactly the right thing. Bill wasn't car sick but he hated the car and all I ended up doing for weeks was opening the door, sitting in the back, starting the car, etc. etc. Drained the battery and had to get a puppy sitter so I could drive long enough to charge it 😄

By the time we were driving to daycare I was fairly sure that most of his problem was over-stimulation and FOMO, and then my car died and the daycare did some pick-ups and he was fine with them (the little sod) so I'm going to push my luck over Christmas and drive him to my family's.

Back to the point - that really slow conditioning I think made sure that his issue wasn't anxiety, and got rid of any remnants from our horrible journey back from the breeder - it normalised being in the car, even if he wasn't a huge fan. I think DTAS have a protocol for car sickness that's very similar to what you're doing. Just take it really, really slowly and best of luck.

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ConsternationStation · 18/12/2024 17:40

@Bupster @haggisaggis how are you transporting pups in the car? We currently have a little travel crate in the back seat that we are using. We used it for the 2 hour trip home from the breeder and a few, short journeys so far. It was my parents' yorkie's so it won't last us long though.

For our late JRT, we had a seatbelt clip that attached to her harness and I was thinking about something similar for N when she's a bit bigger.

brushingboots · 18/12/2024 17:45

@ComeTalkToMe

Of course! I have written about some of these on the puppy and the adolescent threads before so there will be some more of this if you search for it, I expect, and I might have repeated some here/left others out.

These bits below form a combination of some of what I did with my cocker when we brought her home and some of the stuff my gundog trainer got me doing before we met, and then in the first lesson. It’s all pretty basic and there’s no reason you can’t start B on it straight away. All of this should knacker her out and some bits more than others as it will really work her brain.

– Heel, both offlead and on. Obviously you want to work on her lead walking but one of the most useful skills you can teach her is to walk to heel when she’s off too. Exactly the same as onlead but she’s choosing to be next to you, ideally engaging in some eye contact, but not pulling ahead. Ideally for this she wants to be actually at your heel and you can reward with treats or a clicker if you’re using one.

– Coupled with offlead heel is the autosit. So helpful! And also looks cool. So when you stop she stops – that’s it really. You can train with the lead on to start with and graduate to off lead – or even with a trailing lead attached so you can easily stop her. But she should want to be with you so this should be pretty easy to teach. Again can reward with treats when she’s in the right position.

– A proper ‘sit’. I’m sure you’ve taught ‘sit’ to mean sit down, but a lot of gundog trainers (and I def subscribe to this) want ‘sit’ to mean ‘sit until I say otherwise’. If you can crack that you don’t need a ‘stay’ because she will just sit there until she’s asked to do something else, be it a release with ‘ok’ or whatever other command. I have said this before here but you want to be careful of doing too much steadiness work with her, ie slowing her down or stopping her just yet as you don’t want to kill her joy, but I think teaching a proper ‘sit’ to mean ‘actually sit down and don’t move until I say’ can’t hurt. Keep these sessions super short as it is tiring and you don't want her to get bored and 'fail' because she doesn't want to do it.

– ‘Look’ – super helpful! Just literally teaching her to look at you, so you reward for eye contact. You can start just sitting her opposite you and without a cue just reward her when she chooses to look at you. That graduates to her always checking in with you wherever she is when you’re out and about and just all comes together nearly as part of the engagement that you want.

– Introduction to hunting. This is very fun and will almost guarantee to tire her out as it's sniffy work. You can do it at home and you can do it out and about, basically anywhere and it’s not just a good exercise for future gundog work and hunting for balls/dummies (if you want to do that) but useful if they’re a bit whiny or need something to focus on for some reason. There are loads of exercises you can do but a good one to start with, which is also a recall drill, is to start with her sitting opposite you, and then throw a treat (that she can easily see) into the grass and ask her to find it. (You can add a hand signal into this and show her where it is – that in itself is really handy, I use hand signals with pupsy every day to direct her into cover or whatever.) When she’s found it and she looks back up at you throw another one the other way so she crosses your path and just repeat, going side to side in a zig zag. That’s level one – you graduate it into longer grass and harder places, and front and back and different directions, and move on to tennis balls or rabbit balls or dummies etc. But to begin with start near your feet so she learns that the fun comes from near you, as that bit is key.

– Introduction to retrieving. As above I’d be wary of steadying her too soon so with little retrieves – can be balled up socks or a puppy dummy or a rabbit ball, the last of which will be very sought after – just keep it fun and short. Do tiny little retrieves, 6 metres or so, literally mini, you can do it in the kitchen, in the garden, in a corridor (ideal as she can’t run off with it then as it’s a narrow space) and just encourage her for bringing it back and picking it up. Don’t worry about her delivering it to you in any fancy way as you can sort that later. Just reward her for bringing back and being enthusiastic about it. Let her jump on your knee saying ‘hi mum look what I got!!’ and, if she’s like mine, wrapping her legs around you in excitement. The goal is she picks up and brings back and does so with glee.

I also taught ‘this way’ as a turn command, which I coupled with the turn whistle (two pips), but ‘this way’ is fun for everyone. To teach it you can run around the garden/dog field changing directions and shouting ‘this way’ every time you do so that she learns to follow you. I use ‘this way’ every single day, it’s essential. It’s somewhere between a recall and a turn but it’s so handy – gets you out of trouble an awful lot as the dog moves towards you and perhaps comes in to you but if they don’t it’s not a failed recall because you just wanted them to turn and come in your direction.

And finally finally, this isn’t a gundog thing but getting a settle at home sorted is vital, which I’m sure you’re already doing. So many of the cocker ‘horror stories’ you read more or less derive from the dog never being taught to lie down quietly, so get that cracked and you’re already 50pc of the way there, in my book.

Well done if you got this far. I could go on and on so DM if you want some more ideas! And if you happen to be in Lincs I can wholeheartedly recommend my trainer and some scenty spots to take B to to flush pheasants in due course!

Cockers are very fun to train as they're very bright and I bet B is desperate to learn. People say 'oh no you don't want a clever dog' but I did: I wanted a dog I could work with, and that's the goal with a cocker – to get them working next to and with you not away from you, as that's what they were bred to do.

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