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Puppy Survival Thread for New & Old Pups - Soon be Autumn 2024

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BrodiePup · 18/08/2024 12:18

Setting the ball rolling on a new thread as the last one has reached 1k 😊.

Brodie had his first proper bath today...
I don't think he was overly impressed!

He'll be 6 months old on Tuesday. I can't believe how the time has passed, or how far along we've come.

To everyone who is struggling at the moment, stick with it, it really does get easier.

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CaptainBeanThief · 24/08/2024 20:45

Milo is lazy sod post 7pm,
You literally have to drag him up the road to walk him, so much so, he gives off " I'm being stolen vibes"
A picture from today - he looks like a dog now, despite being still a puppy - ISH 😂😂

(( FYI the reason he looks so fuming is because he had to have a shower ))

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Pyreneansylvie · 24/08/2024 21:14

@CaptainBeanThief Lovely boy; he does look rather unamused on this pic.

Glad to see he's okay after your earlier post.

brushingboots · 24/08/2024 21:33

I am de-lurking (after a year of reading these brilliant puppy threads having got a wonderful working cocker bitch last summer) to sound a wail of horror at what Brodie's sire's people told you, @BrodiePup! Our girlie is also from working lines and will be going into light work this season. I'm not suggesting that her loose lead walking is excellent but it's OK – it's copable with and as with everything a work in progress. But we know an awful lot of working cockers and springers in work, and train with them too, and it is more than possible to make a working-line dog, even one from a FTCH line, walk nicely! Honestly, the dogs I know that walk the best are in active work all season. Please don't be despondent! Spaniels are a trial but they're the best dogs ever, as you'll know from Brodie's lovely moments I'm sure.

For what it's worth we use a plain leather collar and lead, no contraptions. I only use a harness for long-line walks in, say, deer parks where she can't go off but needs a run. If she pulls, I either do a quick about turn to bring her in and ask her to listen, or stop and bring her to heel on my right, and then we start again. I taught that the heel position with a pate lure which I continue to reinforce and she's 15 months now. When she's tired and offering me the behaviour I go over the top with praise and also praise madly when she offers it even for a few paces of her own accord at any other time. They're not thick, they do know what you want – they just don't always fancy it because the sniffs are life.

BrodiePup · 24/08/2024 22:02

@Pyreneansylvie She's going to be a big girl! I can't imagine handling a dog that size, but absolutely love the breed.
We had shelties growing up, and as an adult I've had a couple of cavalier King Charles spaniels. They were both a completely different species to Brodie. I lost my last one just over 20 years ago and then got a couple of cats as we were both working too much to have a dog. I took early retirement and got the mad idea that a puppy would enhance my life 🤣.

Milo does look grumpy @CaptainBeanThief I hope you're both ok after this morning

@brushingboots Thank you so much for taking the time to de-lurk! Honestly, it means so much, and it's really encouraging to read. I pretty much going to continue with what I'm doing now, which is very similar to yourself, and I've banned myself from google, Facebook and instagram posts. Hopefully we will eventually see some progress, and just OK will be absolutely fine 😊.

I'm now going to stop my endless moaning before you all ban me from MN.

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CaptainBeanThief · 24/08/2024 22:49

@BrodiePup
If this was WhatsApp I would have put you on mute months ago 😂😂
i am joking

Pyreneansylvie · 25/08/2024 06:48

Don't worry @BrodiePup , I'll be booted out of here long before you will. I'm a real baby bore 😴

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BrodiePup · 25/08/2024 07:28

@Pyreneansylvie Oh my word! She is truly amazing.
Sorry..but I had a little chuckle at an image of you being dragged down the street by her 🤣.
Fantastic to see, but hard work to handle.

Oi @CaptainBeanThief I thought you were my friend! You can go off people you know 😡

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Pyreneansylvie · 25/08/2024 07:36

BrodiePup · 25/08/2024 07:28

@Pyreneansylvie Oh my word! She is truly amazing.
Sorry..but I had a little chuckle at an image of you being dragged down the street by her 🤣.
Fantastic to see, but hard work to handle.

Oi @CaptainBeanThief I thought you were my friend! You can go off people you know 😡

She was a sod on our 8pm walk last night; pulling. lead biting, bootlace grabbing, jumping up; I got the full works. This might be the last photo I post before re-homing her...😒

YorkshireFelix · 25/08/2024 07:55

@Pyreneansylvie oh my goodness she is sooooooooo beautiful. I will ignore her naughtiness and just imagine shes an angelic cuddly ball of fluff Grin

YorkshireFelix · 25/08/2024 07:57

V has slept through the night for 3 nights in a row! I am trying not to get my hopes up that it's a regular thing now but it would be nice if it is.

I've also stopped sitting next to his crate to get him to sleep and he's got used to it straight away. He whinged for about 2 minutes the first time then that was it! I thought I'd have a huge job on my hands trying to sort it out so I am very pleased!!

Apart from that he's being a terror though. The biting is insane this week.

Pyreneansylvie · 25/08/2024 08:26

@YorkshireFelix Oh Yay! Good Boy, Vinny! It is such an amazing feeling when they start to sleep through and you can begin your day feeling less like a zombie.

The horrible biting will slowly decrease - for us the worst phase of biting was 3 to 4 months old but now at 5 months she is mouthing/nipping a lot less and our scratched arms are healing.

(Lead training is a struggle but I shall gloss over that for now... 😉)

LibisMum · 25/08/2024 08:46

Well, Libi is now almost 20 weeks and I've been reminded about the Flatcoat tendency to counter surf - this is what is left of a bunch of cavolo Nero kale I'd put out to chop. At least she likes her veggies 😆.

I'd become complacent because my golden doesn't do it, never has, but most of my flatties have - but I've been Flatcoat less for 8yrs. Back to hyper vigilance!

As for the whole "working dogs can't walk on a lead" - what total rubbish. My golden is working bred (her sister is a field trial champion) and at one point I was doing an advanced obedience class with her. Both of Libis parents have their working gundog qualifications but both are also shown, which of course involves loose on-lead walking.

The issue with working bred dogs is that the smarter they are the more likely they are to find more interesting things to do than what we want them to do - if what we want them to do isn't interesting enough - walking nicely on lead can be a pretty boring thing we ask them to do- the rewards have to be really worth it.

Libi is a total star in training class with lead walking, high value treats, she knows what is expected of her and performs well. In the REAL world she's just desperate to get there and be let off the lead on the field and have a sniff around! She is still at the age where she sticks close to me, so I reward THAT, and get her walking close off lead. This reinforces the "close" or "heel" command (whichever you use). My (very good) trainer says it's pointless trying to teach walking to heel when you are taking your pup to somewhere interesting like the park - they are just so keen to get there that they can't think of anything else. Only train when they are receptive to learning - short windows of opportunity need to be grabbed.

I did have one rescue FC that I got at 13 months - a real puller, lovely boy but a nightmare on lead, had never had any training. TBH it wasn't a big deal, I never walked him in the streets, so I gave up trying,we would get in the car and head for the forest or the beach, his recall was excellent. We did obedience classes when he was much older and calmer, but more for fun really as I still didn't start walking the streets with him.

With my first three dogs I did have to walk to a park, while pushing a pram or pushchair, so do empathise, but I would suggest lead walk training is always very separate from going on an actual walk. Make the surroundings boring (in the house or garden?) so that training with you, and the special treats you have (I use cheese) are much more interesting than anything else.

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Twiglets1 · 25/08/2024 10:35

Pyreneansylvie · 25/08/2024 07:36

She was a sod on our 8pm walk last night; pulling. lead biting, bootlace grabbing, jumping up; I got the full works. This might be the last photo I post before re-homing her...😒

Maybe we could swap puppies? We would see exactly the same behaviour in our “new” puppies but at least we would know they share exactly the same traits so we didn’t just get unlucky!

YorkshireFelix · 25/08/2024 10:40

The kale haha!!!

I agree re not being able to walk on a lead. I know plenty of working dogs, and specifically spaniels, who walk lovely on a lead. Of course they are going to be happier off lead but it's not possible to do that 100% of the time. I know it's going to be a challenge for us so all the snippets of advice on here are invaluable. I am sure those struggling will manage to crack it eventually!

V's breeder poo-pooed using a harness but I don't know what the best alternative is. I've bought a decent slip lead and have watched a million videos on training and using one correctly but I've not started yet. It's hard to know what to do for the best as I feel like I'm overloaded with different information all the time. Vinny is 11 weeks now and I need to start with lead walking in the house but the whole idea of it is so daunting!!

Pyreneansylvie · 25/08/2024 12:43

Twiglets1 · 25/08/2024 10:35

Maybe we could swap puppies? We would see exactly the same behaviour in our “new” puppies but at least we would know they share exactly the same traits so we didn’t just get unlucky!

Yeah, I'm up for it if you are - if I had Roman I could actually wear black jeans again which would be amazing! When I pack Brie's bag for her stay with you just remind me to put a clothes brush in, would you...

Seriously, it would be interesting if we could all teleport to the same dog walking field and have an afternoon of swap the puppy, it is apparent on these threads that puppies are all much of a muchness developmentally regardless of breed/size/sex/age.

brushingboots · 25/08/2024 12:57

@BrodiePup Pleasure! I was thinking about this thread on our walk this morning, reflecting that actually, just OK really is fine for most situations. I don't ask for heel all the time – it's fine (for me) if she's trotting nicely at the end of a loose lead and not by my heel if we're just trying to get somewhere.

V sensible advice given by @LibisMum's trainer not to try and achieve nice walking en route to somewhere exciting – great if you can manage it but my philosophy is to try and set them up to win every single time, even if that means making it slightly easier and having to go back a step.

A lot of gundog people are anti-harness but I really think they do have a place. It's dangerous to use a collar and a long-line so that's when they come into their own, and long-lines are so helpful that it would be a shame not to be able to use them. Whatever works. The snotty spaniel people will be snotty whatever you do (thinking of and sympathising with your previous laments, @CaptainBeanThief)!

Also thinking of you, @YorkshireFelix as I remember 11 weeks very well! Every time I think, 'I'm ready for a second dog' I remember where we were a year ago.

HariboFrenzy · 25/08/2024 13:43

Hi all, not posted for a while 👋

Just had a horrible walk with 13mo HariboLab. The summer holidays have been very difficult with 2 SN kids home full time so trying to meet everyone's needs is tough right now.

9yo refuses to walk the dog with me so as its just us 2 and dog at home I decided to walk him up and around the land next to our house for 20 mins of sniffy time and 'find it'. Another dog owner appeared with 2 off lead spaniels who were very well behaved and she was throwing a ball for them. Haribolab has an unfortunate new habit of lying down whenever he sees dogs hoping to meet them as they pass. He's extremely stubborn so I basically have to wait until they've passed. Other owner called over and asked if HariboLab is scared and I explained. She then asked how old he is and told me she'd started training her dogs very early and that she can just use hand signals now - great for her. She watched me attempting to move HariboLab away and said "it's all about tone of voice." I eventually get him moving only to come face to face with a huge dog that mine immediately started growling and lunging towards. Just went straight home and now feel like the worst dog owner on the planet. I know we should be further ahead with training by now and the other owner wasn't doing g anything wrong - apart from highlighting how shit I am 😭. Really starting to wonder if maybe HariboLab would be better off with someone who actually has a clue what they are doing 😪

Pyreneansylvie · 25/08/2024 13:45

This is probably a very stupid question but it is prompted by this from @brushingboots

"I don't ask for heel all the time – it's fine (for me) if she's trotting nicely at the end of a loose lead and not by my heel if we're just trying to get somewhere"

I think up until I saw this I just thought walking to heel meant walking nicely alongside you with a fairly loose lead but now I'm not sure. What is walking to heel? Does it mean the dog is slightly behind you, literally on your heel? Does that only apply to gundogs? I notice most of the regulars here are gundog owners so pardon my ignorance on this - I've only had Livestock Guarding Dogs.

What we aim for with our PMD is a loose lead with the dog alongside us. Bearing in mind the dog's shoulder is at our hip level or even waist level, having their neck or shoulder alongside our hand is the more natural position. Obviously this means that the dog's head is slightly in front of us most of the time for pavement walking. It also gives us good control if we need to tighten our grip on the collar for any reason (e.g. meeting an aggressive dog, a fearful child etc). On the field and moor they're on the long lead and can freely mooch and sniff.

I'm just interested to learn more about how you're all training your pups and I apologise if "what is heel?" seems like a really silly question...

(Edit to apologise for cross posting my trivia with the more important serious post above...)

YorkshireFelix · 25/08/2024 15:29

Thank you @brushingboots, maybe I should try a harness then? I feel like there's just too many options! Also I do feel like I would NEVER get a second dog at the moment but I guess it's like when you have a baby and say you'd never have another haha!

@HariboFrenzy I am so sorry that woman made you feel so awful. She sounds very stuck up and sanctimonious. 13 months is still very young and im sure you're doing a great job!

LibisMum · 25/08/2024 15:41

Pyreneansylvie · 25/08/2024 13:45

This is probably a very stupid question but it is prompted by this from @brushingboots

"I don't ask for heel all the time – it's fine (for me) if she's trotting nicely at the end of a loose lead and not by my heel if we're just trying to get somewhere"

I think up until I saw this I just thought walking to heel meant walking nicely alongside you with a fairly loose lead but now I'm not sure. What is walking to heel? Does it mean the dog is slightly behind you, literally on your heel? Does that only apply to gundogs? I notice most of the regulars here are gundog owners so pardon my ignorance on this - I've only had Livestock Guarding Dogs.

What we aim for with our PMD is a loose lead with the dog alongside us. Bearing in mind the dog's shoulder is at our hip level or even waist level, having their neck or shoulder alongside our hand is the more natural position. Obviously this means that the dog's head is slightly in front of us most of the time for pavement walking. It also gives us good control if we need to tighten our grip on the collar for any reason (e.g. meeting an aggressive dog, a fearful child etc). On the field and moor they're on the long lead and can freely mooch and sniff.

I'm just interested to learn more about how you're all training your pups and I apologise if "what is heel?" seems like a really silly question...

(Edit to apologise for cross posting my trivia with the more important serious post above...)

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it's a really good question! "heel" does, technically mean at your heel - which is why many trainers now teach "close" instead. For competition obedience the dog's head should be at your knee/side - not ahead, their front paws effectively matching your feet. That might not be sensible for everyday real life dog walking!

They tend to start everyone out trying to get it "right" as some people will want to go onto do obedience competitions - I've already been told that if I want to progress with Libi as I did with River I should be correcting her position on the sit beside me (she's not close enough or square enough). If I'm not bothered about moving into advanced then what she does is fine.

With River, who was a dream to train, I'm not a great trainer!, she knows "close" which is walk close to my left, and "side" which is walk close to my right. This is useful as I have multiple dogs, so when we need to pass dogs on lead, or joggers/cyclists etc on a narrow path I generally put the mini schnauzer on the lead on my left and call River to "side" (still off lead) and we let people pass.

If someone doesn't want to do competitions then you just have to ask yourself what do you need the dog to be able to do in order for your life with them to be joyful and not stressful - and concentrate on that.

Twiglets1 · 25/08/2024 16:05

No @HariboFrenzy I’m sure HariboLab is better to stay with your family where he is loved. His behaviour may not be perfect but this thread shows us that none of our puppies are perfectly well behaved. They will improve as they get older but in the meantime we do our best!

Pyreneansylvie · 25/08/2024 16:18

Thank you @LibisMum , that's a very good explanation. With multiple dogs to walk I can see that teaching "close" and "side" would make perfect sense. Now that you explain I realise I have seen the proper heelwork being done at Crufts where the dog is walking so close it looks glued to the handlers leg! Also the precise sit is totally beyond me as regards our own dogs so I'm filled with admiration for anyone who has the patience for full-on obedience training.

As our breed is not renowned for its obedience (understatement of the year 😆) we should probably just aim for the loose lead walking by our side. Brie actually walked beautifully alongside me this morning but we didn't meet any dogs or children and that's when the pulling usually starts. If it's busy when we walk her I get a full body workout!

BTW, a motorbiking friend of my Dad's used to have Flat-coated Retrievers but I hadn't seen one for about 30 years until we came across two on one of our walks last week. Lovely breed (aside from the cavolo nero shredding habit obviously...😉).

Thanks for answering my question.

Pyreneansylvie · 25/08/2024 16:35

@HariboFrenzy I feel for you. We all have days when our dogs embarrass us, it happens to me all the time! When you have a big strong dog there are always people who think they can do it better, they believe their way is the right way but for you it probably isn't; you know your own dog and they don't.

Today was just not a great walk for you, put it behind you and just keep going x

BrodiePup · 25/08/2024 16:42

Lots of positivity on here today...or should I say acceptance?
Wouldn't it be great if we could all meet in a field somewhere?

@YorkshireFelix as someone who has just counted, I have 3 collars (one too small) 3 flexi leads (one large, one small, one tape) 3 long lines (all different) 2 leads (one bungee) and 2 harnesses. I'm not a shopaholic, I'm just a desperate woman chucking money at a problem.

My take on it is a standard collar and lead for loose lead training. A harness is an absolute must for long line, and we use ours to fasten B in the cars. Walking in one enables ridiculous pulling and bunny hopping. I use a flexi (on harness) when I take him somewhere to run and play with his ball as I'm useless with a long line...husband uses long line. I won't use a flexi for walking until he can control himself. Good luck, you might be lucky and Vinny will be a little angel 🤞🏻.

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