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Is there any coming back from our dogs fighting or do we need to rehome one?

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WellThatsNice · 21/11/2023 14:32

We have a nearly 11 year old dog who we've had since a pup, and two years ago we adopted an 8 month old rescue, who is twice our older dog's size.

Initially they got on well, but then one day, something happened, possibly triggered by food, and the new dog attacked the older one. We broke it up but it was terrifying, it wasn't a friendly play fight, it looked like it might have been a fight to the death to be honest.

We've tried everything since then, we worked with a trainer on how to get them to co-exist alongside each other, how to make the rescue less anxious, but nothing seems to work and sporadically they will get into fights with each other and it's never any less terrifying.

The rescue is an absolutely lovely, intelligent but anxious girl who clearly wasn't socialised at all before she came to us, and whilst she's fine with just us, as soon as anyone comes to the house she's a nightmare, and she's also pretty awful out on the street if she doesn't like the look of someone (and there doesn't seem to be any sort of reason as to why she'll take offence and some people and not others.) The last two years have been incredibly stressful, as we're always having to be hypervigilant about where the dogs are in relation to each other, it's almost impossible to have guests as she is very aggressive towards them, which is awful for everyone involved.

Things have come to a head in the last couple of days - we've had some time away with just the rescue dog, and I don't know if that's made her feel like the only dog in the world and more territorial, but in the last 24 hours she's gone to attack a dog three times - when we visited family (in a house where she's previously spent time, and is comfortable) and was only stopped as we'd kept her on the lead (but she wasn't scared, this dog is small, so it was almost like prey drive.) Then in the 12 hours since we all got home and had both dogs back together she's gone for our older dog twice, so the frequency is really on the up all of a sudden.

I don't know what the reason is, but I worry we don't have time to work through it with another behaviourist before something awful happens; I'm so anxious that it's just a matter of time before she really damages our older dog (or worse), and potentially my teenage boys who will often dive in to seperate them. Older dog now has a shit quality of life as he's just terrifed all of the time, and I can't see a way round it other than to very reluctantly rehome the rescue.

The thought is devastating, as we all love her to pieces, but life is incredibly difficult trying to manage all of this on top of everything else and we're at our wits' end. We could speak to the charity about it, but I'm a bit wary as they tend to publically shame people on Facebook who rehome dogs - not that that should impact our decision, and no one can say that we haven't tried incredibly hard in the face of what seem to be insurmountable challenges. I expect they'll tell us to work with a vet/behaviourist, but financially we're struggling and if we throw more money that we don't have at this situation and it still doesn't resolve, what then?

Sorry for the absolutely enormous ramble and thank you for reading this far. I don't know if anyone has any experience of turning around a fear aggressive dog in a situation like this, or do we need to accept that she needs to be in a house where she is the only dog? 💔

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ThePoetsWife · 26/11/2023 13:59

PTS is not the worst thing to happens to a dog who is anxious and aggressive - and this sounds like your only option if she is people aggressive. Rescues won't rehome dogs that are known biters and aggressive with people.

Amara123 · 26/11/2023 14:00

One thing it might be is that the younger dog is sensing the age and weakness in the older and will kill them, can be dog behaviour. I've seen it before and unfortunately the younger dog bided their time and killed the older one.
Devastating.

Amara123 · 26/11/2023 14:01

Honestly this dog seems beyond you and isn't safe to give to another person. If something bad happened, you'd never forgive yourself.

WellThatsNice · 26/11/2023 14:03

Yes honestly I feel like we’ve had a touch of Stockholm syndrome for a couple of years thinking that it would be fine, or one day it would change…

We are finding it incredibly difficult to manage and we have an awful lot going on at the moment, as a family we’re just dealing with some awful situations on a few different fronts, some we can mitigate and some not- and this with the dogs is pushing us to breaking point to be honest, especially feeling as we have absolutely no options open to us.

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clopper · 26/11/2023 14:07

Your poor older dog, feel so sorry for him. If the charity can’t re home the younger dog you will have to have a different plan. How can they sue you? You have offered them the dog but they refused to take it. Prioritise your loyal and now scared old dog. Sadly some rescue dogs are just too damaged t be rehomed safely. You’ve tried hard and hired a behavioural expert. What more can you do?

margotrose · 26/11/2023 14:09

WellThatsNice · 26/11/2023 13:54

I think even if we wanted to do that the contract says we can only return her to the charity, so in theory they could sue us…

I don't think they can sue you when they're not fulfilling their side of the "deal" by taking her back as agreed.

WellThatsNice · 26/11/2023 14:11

I’ve just been told by someone vaguely involved that it’s our fault for not using a halti from the off and the dog now thinks it’s in charge. I really disagree with this and am also not enjoying the guilt that’s being thrown at us for not wanting to keep living like this. Seems like the attitude is that rescue dog trumps regular dog 😞

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Buildingthefuture · 26/11/2023 14:12

@twinkletoesimnot that is absolutely not the case with any of the rescues I volunteer for. They do not charge to take a dog back and they do not charge if they are able to rehome said dog. The issue currently is the enormous amount of dogs being returned to rescue, there are simply not enough foster homes or experienced adopters available.
That said, op please do book a vets appointment for your dog. We had a similar situation a couple of years back. We adopted a dog and her behaviour was fine for the first 2 years. Over the next 2 years however her behaviour deteriorated and she started randomly attacking the other dogs, literally they would all be sleeping and she would leap up and attack one. She became aggressive to strangers and eventually aggressive to my DH, biting him badly, when she had always been very much his dog. We could not understand it, we are extremely experienced rescuers and, whilst we have taken on many dogs that have previously been aggressive, they had always, always improved, never deteriorated. Initial tests at the vets showed nothing but I just knew something wasn’t right and a scan eventually showed she had a brain tumour. I felt absolutely awful because I’d let it go on far too long, blaming myself for her behaviour when actually, she was unwell. We had to let her go, the tumour was large and she was suffering but I have learnt my lesson. Any behaviour changes and I’m straight to the vet.

Wrongsideofpennines · 26/11/2023 14:16

If the rescue are refusing to take her back then they can't sue you if you remove her elsewhere. Do they not offer support from their own behaviourists? They should have done some work on socialising her before she was deemed suitable to rehome.

Snippit · 26/11/2023 14:23

I think you’ve answered your own question, you need to re home the younger dog, it isn’t fair on the older one. Can you imagine how terrified it must feel if left alone with the youngster.

Contact the dogs trust, they never euthanise a healthy dog, see if they can take it off your hands.

Amara123 · 26/11/2023 14:25

You can't live like this, this is crazy. Definitely get a check up first but honestly this can't go on for anyone's sakes. It's really unsafe and frightening.
This is not what having a pet should entail.
And I'm really sorry for the dog who is acting out but this sounds beyond your ability to handle (and most people's).

ThePoetsWife · 26/11/2023 14:32

Snippit · 26/11/2023 14:23

I think you’ve answered your own question, you need to re home the younger dog, it isn’t fair on the older one. Can you imagine how terrified it must feel if left alone with the youngster.

Contact the dogs trust, they never euthanise a healthy dog, see if they can take it off your hands.

Dogs trust will PTS - an anxious aggressive dog is not a healthy dog

margotrose · 26/11/2023 14:38

I feel like I'm saying this a lot on here lately, but there are much worse fates for a dog than falling asleep for the last time with their humans at their side.

After all, if she was suffering from a physical illness, nobody would question it, would they? But for some reason when it's a mental health/behavioural problem, you're told you're a failure if you even consider it.

This poor dog is suffering. Not only is she dog reactive, she's also human reactive and she's upsetting your resident dog to the point that he spends his life in hiding. I'm afraid I'm of the opinion that keeping her is actually detrimental to both dogs and bordering on being quite unkind.

Give her a nice day, a lovely walk, her favourite foods and let her go to sleep surrounded by her family. It's the kindest thing for her.

feelingalittlehorse · 26/11/2023 14:38

Firstly, good god ignore the poster who suggested putting the dog into day care to socialise her 🤦‍♀️ absolutely do not do this- that’ll be completely overwhelming for an anxious, reactive dog and potentially escalate the issue. Things like that should be done very steadily.

I’m sorry you are having such a terrible time, dogs are supposed to be a joyous addition to your life. My honest opinion is you should send her back to the rescue, if that is their ilk, and let your older dog chill out in peace. Sounds like neither dog is particularly happy in this situation.

margotrose · 26/11/2023 14:39

Snippit · 26/11/2023 14:23

I think you’ve answered your own question, you need to re home the younger dog, it isn’t fair on the older one. Can you imagine how terrified it must feel if left alone with the youngster.

Contact the dogs trust, they never euthanise a healthy dog, see if they can take it off your hands.

The Dogs' Trust definition of "healthy" isn't what you think it is - a dog who is aggressive to humans and dogs will be assessed as unsafe and PTS.

LaurieStrode · 26/11/2023 14:46

PocketSand · 21/11/2023 16:53

You need to show loyalty to the dog you have had for over a decade at the end of their life. At the moment they are scared and miserable.

This. It's tragic.

TomatoSandwiches · 26/11/2023 15:07

I would have her PTS, she will likely be in and out of homes unless you can guarantee a lot of investment in training is done and probably top ups over a number of years.
I wouldn't entertain another dog until your current one has passed, give him a good end so he can forget this period poor boy.

LaurieStrode · 26/11/2023 15:26

margotrose · 26/11/2023 14:38

I feel like I'm saying this a lot on here lately, but there are much worse fates for a dog than falling asleep for the last time with their humans at their side.

After all, if she was suffering from a physical illness, nobody would question it, would they? But for some reason when it's a mental health/behavioural problem, you're told you're a failure if you even consider it.

This poor dog is suffering. Not only is she dog reactive, she's also human reactive and she's upsetting your resident dog to the point that he spends his life in hiding. I'm afraid I'm of the opinion that keeping her is actually detrimental to both dogs and bordering on being quite unkind.

Give her a nice day, a lovely walk, her favourite foods and let her go to sleep surrounded by her family. It's the kindest thing for her.

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Agree.

DramaAlpaca · 26/11/2023 15:37

LaurieStrode · 26/11/2023 15:26

Agree.

Also agree.

Whaleandsnail6 · 26/11/2023 16:03

I agree with this too. The dog doesn't know its being put to sleep...all it knows is that is feels safe and loved with its people around it and then it falls asleep.

I think this is the kind thing to do. If you really cant face putting her to sleep then put this back onto the rescue. You cant keep your older dog safe and well with younger dog in the house, but they cant take younger dog for a year but wont allow you to rehome with anyone else? What do they suggest you do then?

Frequency · 26/11/2023 16:08

It can be fixed to the extent that the dogs can be in the same room under supervision. You'll likely never be able to leave them unsupervised. A halti has not caused this and the rescue dog does not think she is in charge. Aggression is caused by fear 99% of the time not dominance.

You need the assistance of a properly qualified behaviorist.

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ACynicalDad · 26/11/2023 17:49

I read this and was thinking PTS then it’s what everyone is saying. It’s not like human euthanasia, she doesn’t know it will happen. If you keep her she has a miserable year until she goes back to a rescue who probably can’t place it anyway as it’s dangerous so she sits in kennels then gets euthanised by them.

Floralnomad · 26/11/2023 17:54

Just tell the rescue tomorrow that if they don’t take the dog back by Friday that you will have to have it euthanised as it’s too dangerous to keep in your home .

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 26/11/2023 17:58

My brother had two sister German shepherds and one was anxious. I had the dogs at my house and they fought like you mentioned. There was blood and one shat themselves.

A few months later the anxious one bit my brother's friend on the face. She was put down.

I'm not sure your young dog can be rehabilitated but it's the first route I'd try. I don't think you can keep it

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 26/11/2023 17:58

Bit I'd PTS actually

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