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What to do with dog

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Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 20:11

I need some help and perspective with what to do with our dog.

He is six, we got him from a rescue charity three years ago. It was during covid and shortly after getting him we realised his behaviour was much worse than had been described to us. He had not been properly assessed and we think his previous owners downplayed his behaviour issues because they wanted him to be rehomed quickly. He had been in kennels several times and been placed in four different homes for varying amounts of time before coming to us. Sadly he never managed to settle in any of these homes due to his boisterous/anxious/excited behaviour. He is a large dog and very wilful.
The first year with him was difficult. He was extremely stimulated by everything that happened around him and never switched off. We spent a lot of time, money and effort on trainers and training getting him to a point where he can now be walked off lead, is reasonably friendly with other dogs and when it is just us in the house he will relax.

However, if anything changes (we go somewhere new for a walk, anyone comes to the house, we try to do some gardening) this triggers him to whining, barking, grabbing things we are trying to use, attacking inanimate objects. He is better with my boyfriend but still quite unmanageable at times. We have tried lots to normalise things but nothing seems to work.

When we first had him he would snap at us a lot and bare his teeth, if we asked him to do something he didn’t want to do. This has reduced a lot but not completely.

Last year I became pregnant and we now have a six month old daughter.
While I was in late pregnancy the dog bit me when I asked him to come in from the garden. I approached him and he snapped at my hands and bit me. He broke skin and although it was not a bad bite he definitely meant it. I did not tell my boyfriend about this.

Six months on he still hasn’t adjusted to my daughter. He is overexcited when she is around, every noise she makes he rushes over and is always pushing boundaries to get close to her. He still has two long walks a day and I try to give him lots of attention when she is napping or asleep in the evening. He will often whine and bark at me when I am nursing so now I have stopped nursing around him.

A week ago he bit my boyfriend piercing the skin and held his hand in his mouth for quite a while before eventually letting go.

My boyfriend thinks that he needs to be rehomed or PTS.
In principle I agree. I am constantly worried about him getting close to my daughter and having one of his anxious moments and snapping at her, or snapping at one of us and her getting in the way. I don’t know how we’re going to manage when my daughter is walking and crawling.

We really have tried lots to reduce these behaviours and seen trainers etc but he is a high drive large breed shepherd and I sadly think his early years cannot be undone.

If it was just us then he would be manageable and I would work through it, but with the child in the house I just don’t know what the right thing to do is. I would feel so desperately guilty if he were to snap or bite my daughter, and sometimes just feel that I’m waiting for something bad to happen.

At the same time, he can be a lovely sweet affectionate dog. We have built such a bond and in his calm moments I feel so sad that I would even contemplate having him rehomed or PTS.
Equally, when he is screaming and barking simply because someone came round for a cup of tea, and these recent biting incidents, I think that it’s not the right environment for a child.

I don’t know if he would adapt to being rehomed at all. Given all the homes that didn’t work out, and how long it took him to settle with us, part of me thinks it would be kinder to just take him for a lovely long walk then have him PTS. I would hate to rehome him and it not work out and for him to be anxious and stressed.

So, I suppose I’m just asking ‘what would you do?’ As I feel I cannot ask anyone in real life for fear of judgement. I want to do the right thing by the dog and by my daughter and I just don’t know what that is.

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PinkFootstool · 16/10/2023 20:16

I think you need to speak to the rehoming organisation you got him from. If they won't take him back, PTS.

He's so stressed by simple things that he bites. This hasn't improved in the time you've worked with him and it is now escalating to intentional biting.

With a tiny child who will soon be mobile, you can't take any risks with her safety. You'd never forgive yourselves.

There's unlikely to be a solution to this other than PTS I'm afraid - you're the wrong home for him, he's the wrong dog for you and I can't see where would be the right home for a dog like him.

kingkongs · 16/10/2023 20:16

I'm a dog lover, but I don't think I could risk him around a small child. The stress even now must be sky high.

I think I'd try and rehome before PTS, but I don't know. You have my sympathy though.

Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 20:22

Thank you for your sympathy @kingkongs . I really wanted nothing more than to give him a good life and for him to become a calm and contented dog, but feel like I’ve just not managed to do that and it makes me so very sad.

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Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 20:22

Thank you, I appreciate your response and thoughts @PinkFootstool

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Janiie · 16/10/2023 20:32

Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 20:22

Thank you for your sympathy @kingkongs . I really wanted nothing more than to give him a good life and for him to become a calm and contented dog, but feel like I’ve just not managed to do that and it makes me so very sad.

You've been incredibly patient and responsible though, doing all the right things with training etc. Sometimes sadly dogs just cannot be changed.
If it was just you then I'd suggest persevering trying a different trainer but as you have a young dc you really have to put their safety first.

He is unpredictable, overly anxious and has bitten you and another. Sadly he needs to be pts imo, or return to the rescue place you got him from but not sure if they'll have him back as now evidence of aggression. Sorry, its a tough situation.

llortasti · 16/10/2023 20:35

What made you opt for a high drive large breed shepherd, in the middle of a pandemic, from a rescue, with a chaotic history when you were child bearing age?

IngGenius · 16/10/2023 20:39

If a reputable rescue they will take the dog back. A reputable rescue will look after the dog for life.

Nellieinthebarn · 16/10/2023 20:42

You have done everything you could possibly do for this poor dog, but it sounds like he is just too damaged to be not considered a danger to your child. I think if you rehome you will be putting someone else, possibly another child, in danger. I think, with the greatest sympathy, that the best thing to do would be to put him to sleep.

Mollyplop999 · 16/10/2023 20:43

I think it would be kinder to hsve him pts. You've clearly tried very hard to rehabilitate him with limited success. I have a similar dog but there are only the 2 of us and she is old now and we can manage her. You need to keep your baby safe. It's a horrible decision to have to make but I'm not sure that any home wpuld be suitable for him.

Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 20:44

Thank you for your helpful comment.
I have owned four similar dogs and have been able to deal well with the challenges they set me. I have a very active lifestyle and live somewhere I can provide good exercise for them. Child bearing age does not always mean you would be able to have a child. I did not know the extent of the dogs issues when I got him, it was hugely downplayed and then I just wanted to do the best by him. I don’t really see what it being a pandemic has to do with me getting him. I only mentioned it as I think it was the reason he was not properly assessed by the rehoming charity.

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Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 20:45

@IngGenius please see my reply to you.

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Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 20:49

@IngGenius sorry, what I meant to say was that my concern is that being ‘looked after’ particularly in kennels is not the right thing for the dog and that he will spend potentially years just being stressed and anxious. He might settle in a new home eventually, but what if he is just passed from place to place again.

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Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 20:50

@llortasti my long response was for you, my answer to your question about why I got the dog!

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Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 20:52

@Janiie @Nellieinthebarn @Mollyplop999 thank you all for your sympathy and constructive comments. It’s a really tough decision and I still can’t get my head around possibly not having him around, and if there are any other options.

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mycatsanutter · 16/10/2023 20:53

@Pricklyballs this sounds incredibly hard and I really feel for you . You cannot live your life in your own home in constant high alert as to what the dog is going to do and how he will react to every little thing it's way too stressful and I think will only get worse as your child grows and becomes mobile . I think you have tried your best and it's time to pts I can't see any other feasible option seeing as you have tried all sorts of training to no avail .

Mrsmalelly · 16/10/2023 20:56

This dog is not suitable for you. I understand that you have tried your best. There is a home for it out there, it's just a case of finding the right home. You should contact a rehoming center and explain your situation. Better to be safe than sorry where your baby is concerned. Please don't have it pts before trying this option.

Aquestioningmind · 16/10/2023 21:01

PTS.

A dog with that much history, and having lived in that many homes, will probably never be happy and spend any time he has left in and out of a rescue.

I’m really sorry - it sounds like you really care for the dog, but PTS is the best option all around. I’ve been there with a dog that’s bitten (who I loved more than anything) - it’s horrific, but IMO once a dog bites there is no coming back from that. One bite is one too many.

HP89 · 16/10/2023 21:01

No advice but wanted to just say you sound like a lovely person and responsible owner and you’ve done everything you can x

IngGenius · 16/10/2023 21:06

Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 20:49

@IngGenius sorry, what I meant to say was that my concern is that being ‘looked after’ particularly in kennels is not the right thing for the dog and that he will spend potentially years just being stressed and anxious. He might settle in a new home eventually, but what if he is just passed from place to place again.

What rescue? He may go into foster care. Speak to the rescue.

if he cant stay with you that is not a lot of options

fearfuloffluff · 16/10/2023 21:06

You had me at biting you when pregnant.

You cannot keep that dog in your house. Your daughter is on the cusp of crawling, you will need eyes in the back of your head to ensure she's not poking the dog in the ear/eating from his bowl/waking him up from a nap. Don't expect a toddler to always do what you tell them.

You've tried really hard with a dog you weren't given the full story about. He's had a few sweet years but that needs to come to an end, whether it's rehoming or PTS.

It might be hard but it would be a million times harder if you had to rehome urgently after a bite.

HoHoHoliday · 16/10/2023 21:10

Obviously you can't have the dog around your child now. He bites, and while you have a baby you can hold her out of the way. What's going to happen when she's a toddler and moves around of her own free will, falling on top of the dog, grabbing his fur or tail, screeching around him?
A dog who has been rehomed four times already will not be rehomed again. Who do you think will choose him over the thousands of others waiting for a home? The kindest thing for a biting dog who has been rehomed multiple times is to give him a wonderful last couple of days and then put to sleep.
It never fails to astonish me that a couple, at a time in their life when they might/are likely to have a baby, will decide to bring a dog into the home first, then complain that the dog is struggling to adjust to the baby.
I don't doubt that you meant well in adopting him, and I don't doubt that you love him now, but don't get another while you have small babies and toddlers.

SkyFullofStars1975 · 16/10/2023 21:17

What a horrible situation for you. Honestly, I'd have the dog PTS in the comfort of its' own home rather than putting it through the stress of kennels/foster care. Unless a responsible breed specific rescue are able to help - I'd investigate that first.

user1471556818 · 16/10/2023 21:21

I think you have gone above and beyond with this dog.
Rehoming isn't likely to work .I would pts I'm afraid after a lot of spoiling

carly2803 · 16/10/2023 21:25

you have done everything you possibly can

I would put him to sleep at home. I would never trust him around your child.

Rehoming just passes the problem on and IMO more stressful for the dog/new environment etc

so yes. pts and dont feel bad about it - there are fates worse than death
one lingering round in kennels

Autumn1990 · 16/10/2023 21:25

I think unfortunately with a small child you’ve run out of options to keep the dog. You are a very loving and responsible owner though.
It’s not easy to keep dog and child separate all the time and it’s really hard to supervise all the time. I have literally just turned away and the dog has had the biscuit very gently from the little hand. The hazards from very chilled dogs are bad enough. My two children have been knocked over, tail whipped and had food expertly snaffled whilst I’ve been in the room.
Children also make sudden movements and loud noises the dog has to be confident enough to not react. And whilst you can teach a child not to touch the dog if it’s in its bed or you can’t plan for every eventuality.

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