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What to do with dog

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Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 20:11

I need some help and perspective with what to do with our dog.

He is six, we got him from a rescue charity three years ago. It was during covid and shortly after getting him we realised his behaviour was much worse than had been described to us. He had not been properly assessed and we think his previous owners downplayed his behaviour issues because they wanted him to be rehomed quickly. He had been in kennels several times and been placed in four different homes for varying amounts of time before coming to us. Sadly he never managed to settle in any of these homes due to his boisterous/anxious/excited behaviour. He is a large dog and very wilful.
The first year with him was difficult. He was extremely stimulated by everything that happened around him and never switched off. We spent a lot of time, money and effort on trainers and training getting him to a point where he can now be walked off lead, is reasonably friendly with other dogs and when it is just us in the house he will relax.

However, if anything changes (we go somewhere new for a walk, anyone comes to the house, we try to do some gardening) this triggers him to whining, barking, grabbing things we are trying to use, attacking inanimate objects. He is better with my boyfriend but still quite unmanageable at times. We have tried lots to normalise things but nothing seems to work.

When we first had him he would snap at us a lot and bare his teeth, if we asked him to do something he didn’t want to do. This has reduced a lot but not completely.

Last year I became pregnant and we now have a six month old daughter.
While I was in late pregnancy the dog bit me when I asked him to come in from the garden. I approached him and he snapped at my hands and bit me. He broke skin and although it was not a bad bite he definitely meant it. I did not tell my boyfriend about this.

Six months on he still hasn’t adjusted to my daughter. He is overexcited when she is around, every noise she makes he rushes over and is always pushing boundaries to get close to her. He still has two long walks a day and I try to give him lots of attention when she is napping or asleep in the evening. He will often whine and bark at me when I am nursing so now I have stopped nursing around him.

A week ago he bit my boyfriend piercing the skin and held his hand in his mouth for quite a while before eventually letting go.

My boyfriend thinks that he needs to be rehomed or PTS.
In principle I agree. I am constantly worried about him getting close to my daughter and having one of his anxious moments and snapping at her, or snapping at one of us and her getting in the way. I don’t know how we’re going to manage when my daughter is walking and crawling.

We really have tried lots to reduce these behaviours and seen trainers etc but he is a high drive large breed shepherd and I sadly think his early years cannot be undone.

If it was just us then he would be manageable and I would work through it, but with the child in the house I just don’t know what the right thing to do is. I would feel so desperately guilty if he were to snap or bite my daughter, and sometimes just feel that I’m waiting for something bad to happen.

At the same time, he can be a lovely sweet affectionate dog. We have built such a bond and in his calm moments I feel so sad that I would even contemplate having him rehomed or PTS.
Equally, when he is screaming and barking simply because someone came round for a cup of tea, and these recent biting incidents, I think that it’s not the right environment for a child.

I don’t know if he would adapt to being rehomed at all. Given all the homes that didn’t work out, and how long it took him to settle with us, part of me thinks it would be kinder to just take him for a lovely long walk then have him PTS. I would hate to rehome him and it not work out and for him to be anxious and stressed.

So, I suppose I’m just asking ‘what would you do?’ As I feel I cannot ask anyone in real life for fear of judgement. I want to do the right thing by the dog and by my daughter and I just don’t know what that is.

OP posts:
Pricklyballs · 16/10/2023 21:34

Thank you all for your responses. I look at him dozing by my feet now and I’m gutted to be contemplating this. I’m torn, I think I will speak to a rescue and try to get an honest assessment as to the likelihood of finding the right home. My concerns have been echoed here, that a life of being constantly rehomed is not fair, and that there are some many dogs who don’t bite looking for homes, that who would pick him.

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SquishyGloopyBum · 16/10/2023 21:41

Look at it this way, he's acting out because he's stressed and anxious. Even with people he knows and loves.

Putting an end to that is a kindness. Especially over rehoming again and giving him more stress etc.

Rehoming might help your guilt, but is it actually the best thing for him? Think hard on that.

In the circumstances you set out, I think PTS is the best thing you can do for him.

SheerLucks · 16/10/2023 21:46

llortasti · 16/10/2023 20:35

What made you opt for a high drive large breed shepherd, in the middle of a pandemic, from a rescue, with a chaotic history when you were child bearing age?

I'm so sorry for your situation, but this did occur to me too.

hitherandhither · 16/10/2023 22:14

First off you must ensure that your daughter and your dog are kept separately at all times. Baby gates etc, whatever you need to do.

I recommend you approaching a breed specific rescue and asking for help/support/advice and going from there before making any other decisions. I would exhaust all other options before I considered PTS.

QueenCamilla · 16/10/2023 22:25

Some of the responses here illustrate critical thinking deficiencies wonderfully well.
The dog has bitten twice (worse so, it's owners). Plus, whatever undisclosed history there is. The only right thing to do is to put the dog to sleep.

You sound like a good dog owner OP, but please don't be proud about walking a large, aggressive dog off-lead. You might be "OK" with taking the bites but it's not fair (if not criminal) to expose others to the risk. The dog should be muzzled at all times in public.

It would be absolutely wrong to even attempt to rehome the dog and what..? Pass on the injuries to someone else?

My neighbour's dog bit them twice in the space of a couple of weeks. Badly injured hands and fingers the second time. Even though they were 90% there on putting to sleep, I added the last 10% by letting them know that I'll be contacting the police regarding a dangerous and out of control dog if it's not done soon enough.
The neighbours and I share the gardens, the garages and the entrance porch - they would be knowingly putting my family in danger by carrying on as usual.

Not you OP, I'm just disgusted by the "rehome at all cost" lot.

Smartfox · 16/10/2023 22:47

Sadly I agree with those saying PTS.
A peaceful end in the presence of the person he loves, in a home where he has had his most happy years is preferable to the confusion and loss and fear of a transfer to a busy kennels

Janiie · 17/10/2023 07:41

SheerLucks · 16/10/2023 21:46

I'm so sorry for your situation, but this did occur to me too.

The op has said she is an experienced dog owner and she has been responsible using trainers etc. The rescue centre sound like they hadn't assessed the dog thoroughly.

I think it's unrealistic to think that women of childbearing age shouldn't rehome dogs tbh.

Motorina · 17/10/2023 09:12

I'm so sorry. What an utterly miserable situation to be in!

I think you nailed it in your opening post when you said:

I don’t know if he would adapt to being rehomed at all. Given all the homes that didn’t work out, and how long it took him to settle with us, part of me thinks it would be kinder to just take him for a lovely long walk then have him PTS. I would hate to rehome him and it not work out and for him to be anxious and stressed.

Clearly this is not a dog you can have around a toddler, for all the obvious reasons. I think you are 100% right that, whilst returning to rescue might be less traumatic for you, it would be much, much worse for him. Dogs live in the moment and there are worse fates than drifting off happily held by the person he loves. Trying to rehome him would be one of those fates.

There is a facebook group - 'losing Lulu' - that may be helpful. I think they may have a webpage, too?

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 17/10/2023 09:21

I'm sorry it hasn't worked out for you. I have a very anxious rescue dog with unknown history (who I adopted when of childbearing age) and he is amazing with my toddler. It's unfair to say she shouldn't have adopted him. It sounds like you have done your absolute best with him. I can imagine how devastated you feel.

I'd contact the rescuer and discuss. There are great things behavioural gets can do with Prozac and anti anxiety meds, and they may want to take him back. As others have said, if they can't, being put to sleep in your home may be the kindest thing

A1b2c3d4e5f6g7 · 17/10/2023 09:21

Behavioural vets

Mochacino · 17/10/2023 11:38

I actually think you were the right owner for this dog. They have had care, love, behavioural work, everything. You gave this pup the absolute best chance they could possibly have after a challenging start in life.

I empathise as I can only imagine how heartbreaking a decision you are going to have to make for their future but I agree, if the dog is snapping at the ones he loves, he can’t be in a house with a little toddler. Sadly I can’t imagine there may be many homes he might be suitable for. Could you speak to your vet or behavioural person and see what they think?

tsmainsqueeze · 17/10/2023 11:51

You clearly have done the best for him so far ,you are experienced and you have been patient , yet he has bitten you both.
You acknowledge he is unpredictable and you now have a 6month old baby which will very soon be moving around .
I think you should pts, you cannot rehome a dog such as this he is dangerous and if someone did rehome him you would have no control as to who he would be around ,someones child could become another statistic due to him.

Dbank · 17/10/2023 12:07

I've was in a similar situation and had to make one of the hardest and most painful decisions of my life which was to PTS. Re-homing isn't fair, you know it will happen again and could be much worse.

The red flag is the dog knowingly bit the owner or people that were familiar to him. (I have noticeable facial scars from a dog that had known me for 2 years)

Several years later I know it was the right decision, and realise that with most of the dog attacks we see now, the owners would have seen the signs, but decided re-homing or ignoring the problem was okay.

mapleriver · 17/10/2023 12:21

By shepherd which type of shepherd do you mean? This type of behaviour is normal for some of the breeds, they're bred with too much bite drive and have very dominant personalities, they're not meant for pet homes when they're bred like this which is probably why he ended up in a rescue.Is the rescue you got him from a breed specific rescue? With it being typical behaviour of the more highly strung bred shepherds, they might be able to cope with it more than a pet home or normal rescue can, do reach out to one if you can though I don't blame you for euthanising if there's no space at any breed specific rescues.
These dogs are dangerous if too highly strung working bred and in a pet home and I'd recommend against getting one of these breeds from a rescue because you more than likely won't be getting a more cold dog if it's bad enough to be rehomed. He more than likely will hurt your child if he's hurting adults in the home, an arm bite on your husband can be a missing cheek on a little one.

StopLickingTheDog · 17/10/2023 12:41

You cannot rehome him in good conscience with a bite history. The only exception to this, may be via a breed specific rescue.

The other option is PTS. There are many fates worse than a peaceful death.

He doesn't sound happy. He sounds stressed, anxious and on high alert all the time. Things will only get worse when your baby weans (adding food into the mix) and starts moving independently.

Pricklyballs · 17/10/2023 13:24

Thank you everyone for your perspectives and for being understanding of how we’ve got to this point. I do really feel I’ve done everything I can to create a stable and safe home for him. He’s so chilled when it’s just me and him pottering around but the minute something changes he goes straight into high alert. It must be stressful and sometimes overwhelming, leading to the bites.

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SheerLucks · 17/10/2023 14:46

As a PP said, I think Losing Lulu may really help you. I've just read a lot of it and it's given a much better perspective:

k9infocus.com/losing-lulu/

Mollyplop999 · 18/10/2023 19:07

The reason I can understand is because I had to make the decision. I took on a rescue dog and I was very experienced with dogs. He had a lot of issues and I had a rule that my children never prepared food with him and our other dog in the in the kitchen. I went out to the shop and left the kids with their Dad. My son went in the kitchen and was getting biscuits. He didn't put the dogs in the conservatory and apparently a fight broke out and my son was bitten on the ear. I had him pts the next morning. The hospital staff made me feel like the worst mother in the world. Please don't risk your baby, you have done a lot more than most people. I know it's heartbreaking bless you.

Floralnomad · 18/10/2023 19:55

I almost never say pts but I really can’t see how this dog would be better off in a different home , I’d give him a lovely walk , whatever is his favourite food and have him pts at home . Best wishes , it’s an awful decision but sometimes we have to make awful decisions 💐

Appleass · 18/10/2023 20:00

As a dog lover, my thoughts would be to have him PTS, as he sounds far to anxious to be re homed again. A dog thats has had such a loving home with you, is unlikely to change.

Honeyroar · 18/10/2023 20:08

I’ve had lots of rescue dogs, including one that had four homes prior to us and was hyper. I think you sound like you’ve tried really hard for him and I don’t think I’d put him through the big stress of trying to settle into yet another new home. I think the taking him out for a walk, spoiling him and having him quietly pts at home is probably the kindest thing to do.
My only thought is how is he with other dogs? We’ve had a few anxious rescue dogs and they’ve all settled down because our other dog/dogs has a calming reassuring affect on them. Would he do well in that situation?

shittyshittysangbang · 18/10/2023 20:45

Heart-broken for you. I couldn’t put him through the pain of wondering why you had not come back for him or being caged in a rescue, or going to a family that would not be as kind to him as you have been.

1984Winston · 18/10/2023 20:58

I've had to make that decision OP and it's really hard, from what you have described I think you have given him a good home but it's just no longer safe to keep him, I would PTS so he isn't passed around again in all honesty, rescues are really struggling right now aswell

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