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We are going to have to rehome our rescue aren’t we? Anyone been in this position?

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Sixmonthcruise · 25/07/2023 09:52

I am looking for some kind and gentle advice as I am heartbroken, having spent all night sobbing and racking my brains for solutions.

Sorry, it will be a very long one but I didn’t want to drip feed (I applaud you if you get through it!!).

After losing our much beloved 10 year old ddog last year the house felt horrendously empty. I have had cats and dogs all of my 50 years and love animals. Having had dogs from the age of 8 and previously being a dog walker I thought I knew dogs well and thought it would be a great thing to give a loving home to a rescue. In retrospect, I now realise that my experience with dogs only goes as far as dealing with dogs who have had a stable, kind and loving upbringing.

I spent weeks trawling through all of the U.K. rescue sites (and tbh was horrified at the sheer number of a abandoned and unwanted dogs in this country).
We found a lovely dog. Two years old, they said he was a Yorkshire terrier/Jack Russell cross (although I now believe he may have some kind of spaniel in him, maybe cocker, as he’s much bigger than these breeds).
The rescue was a 6 hour round trip away. They specialise in reactive dogs many with bite history (each dogs’ profile will state their aggression and bite history). I wouldn’t have taken on a dog with bite history as we have dc and although they are 15 and 17, it would still not be something I’d consider. However, they assured me that even though our dog had lots of anxiety issues due to being neglected, he had no bite history or had shown any signs of aggression whilst with them.
He was born in November 2020 and purchased at 7 weeks old (so I worked out that not only was he a Covid/lockdown pup but most probably a Christmas pup too!). The owner lived in a flat with no garden and never walked him, ever. He was crated for at least 12 hours per day and was his fur was very matted by the time he came to the rescue so obviously not cared for at all.
Due to the fact he was never taken out of the flat he had missed that window of opportunity in which most puppies learn to socialise and desensitise themselves from all noises and human activity etc. So when he came to them at the end of 2021 they had lots to work on and they helped with his many issues and managed to get him to wear a harness comfortably for the first time and get to the point he enjoyed his walks.
Our dog still had many various anxieties from being scared of the harness/lead, cars and travelling, the vets, doors etc. We knew this would be challenging but as they assured us he was friendly it was something we were certain we could work on. (Since being at home it became apparent he has many other anxieties to from the vacuum cleaners, to the railway near us etc…).
They told us he had been with them from approx end of 2021. After several months a couple rehomed him. Sadly, after 3 months they returned him because he swallowed a piece of likimat which had to be removed surgically and this put him back with his anxiety and they just couldn’t handle it.
So in September last year we travelled down to collect him. He took an instant adoration to my husband and has loved him ever since. And although obviously still anxious in his new home, he settled in well within the first 3 months. He would lay snoozing on the sofa next to my 15 year old dd, he would even sneak into my 17 year old ds bed too. All seemed well. We were all happy.

Until mid December 2022. Out of the blue he snapped at my dd’s hand (she hadn’t touched him, he was next to her on the sofa) and half an hour later he bit me on the hand. We took him to the vet (which is no mean feat for the vets is his biggest stressor) and they found he had a double ear infection and assured us the biting would have come from that.
However, over the next 7-10 days he bit my dh and sadly bit my friend on her wrist (she touched him on the head when I’d asked her not to touch him!), it was a deep cut which required her to go to the GP (she was fine but I will forever feel mortified about that).
We managed to treat the ear infection successfully and he settled down but he has never returned to the dog he was previous to this.
We employed a behavioural expert in January and implemented her advice but things haven’t really improved (we can not afford to use a behaviourist anymore as I have been made redundant).

I now believe that not only was our poor dog neglected in puppyhood but I truly believe he was also abused due to some of his behaviours.
For example on several occasions he would ‘attack’ my ds feet when he walked into the kitchen. He will go into a frenzy, almost like something has possessed him. I liken this to a kind of PTSD behaviour, as though seeing socked feet triggers something in him (was he kicked in his previous life?), he changes behaviour, he starts to pace up and down and will start eating his biscuits quickly then attack the feet. I wonder if previous owners were also young?
Sadly this happened a few times and now ds will no longer come down and eat dinner with us or wants to go anywhere near the dog. This has been going on since January.
Dd was always fine with him but over the last few months he has snapped at her hand twice and has started on the foot thing with her too.

I have contacted the rescue several times for advice and tbh they are not only very slow returning my messages but they just put me straight onto their ‘behaviourist’. This is a lovely lady who no longer practices but kindly offers free advice to their adopters. The issues is that she is 300 miles away from us and can talk the hind leg off a donkey, I have had several ‘chats’ with her which unproductively go on for hours (4 hours last time!) with her mainly chatting about her own dogs and constant suggestions of trying various homeopathy or natural treatments, I have literally spent a small fortune on herbal remedies, none of which have helped at all.

It really has been a challenging 11 months. I appreciate that having a rescue would not be easy but I was hoping to have gotten somewhere by now, it’s becoming apparent that out dog is probably never going to be at ease and happy with many of life’s ‘normal’ activities or living within a full family unit (even though we are a very quiet family).
I fear that we will never be able to go away without him for I can not leave him with the dc to care for him. I couldn’t ask my elderly parents to care for him like they did our last dog or anyone else come to think of it, I could be fearful that he may be frightened of them and attack them.
I feel we can not even go out for a day because who will come and let him out in the garden or walk him. I walk him every day and he loves his walks but getting his harness on (can sometimes take half an hour) is a task and even after almost a year of walks, twice a day he still goes into a frenzy when we walk out of the door (he will attack the doors and gate going out but never coming back in), I think this simply stems from being locked up in a flat for the first year of his life, the outside world still scares him somewhat.
We can’t really even take him too many places either (our last dog came out everywhere with us), for he hates travelling and we have to keep that to a minimum.
We can’t have anyone over for parties, bbq’s, or even Christmas (last year we had fil here but the dog went for his feet). I have even had to stop my mobile hairdresser coming because that last time I put him in the utility room and he barked, non stop, for 3 hours whilst she coloured my hair!
We have a stair gate across the downstairs hallway and when dd friends come round they go straight upstairs, I am fearful that he may bite their feet or worse.

Yet, yet!! He is so loving and relaxed with dh and I. He is with me all day, he likes me chatting to him, follows me whilst I potter around the house and garden and he will sit behind me on the kitchen chair and snooze peacefully in the living room, we have two lovely walks per day which we both enjoy, during these times he is a dream. He loves dh coming home and snoozes with us in the evening whilst we watch tv, we adore him.

But my dc come first. Over the last few days, when dd comes into the kitchen for a drink or snack I notice his body language changes. When he has bitten he doesn’t give a ‘traditional’ warning of growling. His behaviours are more subtle of which I have come to recognise - he will start to circle the kitchen table, then hurriedly eat his biscuits, then circle again before he falls into this frenzy and attacks the feet. A couple of times this week I have asked dd to go back upstairs as I have witnessed this behaviour and obviously tried to stop any attack occurring. However, yesterday evening he attacked her feet and drew blood. I honestly (stupidly) thought he’d be ok as dh and I were in the kitchen at the time. Obviously dd is so upset and both dh and I are too. Dd has a scar on one foot from a few months ago and now will have another scar on the other foot.
We could put this down to the fact he has been unwell the last week? He had to go under anaesthesia last Wednesday because he was yelping when chewing/eating and we thought he had something lodged in his mouth or damage to his mouth or jaw (he goes into a frenzy when walking out of the back door and will try to attack our wooden door). The vet couldn’t find anything but then the anaesthetic caused him to have painful bleeding colitis which has only just gotten better today.
Maybe that’s the reason, maybe not but we can not keep carrying on like this. I feel like our lives are on hold and I just can not put my dc at risk anymore.

But I am absolutely heartbroken. Heartbroken because he has bitten dd, heartbroken because ds won’t ever come down and eat with us and spends so much time out with friends (I know he is nearly 18 but he can never bring friends back now) and heartbroken because we have tried to much to help, injected so much money and love into this and we are getting nowhere really.
Dh and I love him so much, he is a lovely dog with us, he craves love and attention. He has been let down so badly by humans and when we first got him I promised him this would be his forever home and we were not going to be like the other humans and let him down again and it feels to me like we will have to do just that.
Of course, we could constantly muzzle him but what kind of life is that for him (or us?).
I really do not want him to go back to the rescue. The place is miles away from us and was in the absolute middle of nowhere and although they are obviously trying to do a good thing I personally feel they are out of their depth, it is run by two young woman and the place was heaving with dogs and they were barking and whinging non stop, they seemed stressed, our poor dog seemed so anxious in that environment, I do not want him going back there.

DH says it’s seems too cruel to have a 3 year old physically healthy dog pets and I agree with him. The thought of having to pts a second dog within a year would destroy me.

If we had no dc we would keep him there would be no question about that but we come as a family of 4

In an ideal world, he needs to be with one or two adults who have no young people living with them. Someone who has experience with rescue dogs. Ideally other dogs in their household as well as he loves dogs and I believe living with an alpha dog would really help him.

How do I find someone like this? Someone who can give him the loving forever home which I promised and long to give him? That would be akin to winning the lottery wouldn’t it, it’s so rare I just don’t believe luck like that exists.

I really, really don’t want him to go, my heart feels shattered.
What the hell do we do? Anyone else been in this position?

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Donotshushme · 25/07/2023 18:03

Sixmonthcruise · 25/07/2023 18:02

IngGenius I have contacted a few but I just can not afford their fees.

If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. And that's ok. There has to be a limit somewhere for when you can say enough is enough.

Sixmonthcruise · 25/07/2023 18:05

Thank you Donotshushme

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Betafeta · 25/07/2023 18:07

Hi OP,

I had to have my beautiful boy PTS at almost 4 years old after 12 months of reactive behaviour resulting in my teenage DS being bit multiple times in a snappy way and then on the face, I tried training, medication, 12 very long months of stair gates, different rooms, different techniques, he then went for me, absolutely no triggers, we were constantly living in fear.

He had a wonderful last day of walking in the woods, steak and a bowl of milk. I was with him when he was PTS, is wasn’t easy and took me a long time to come to terms with but I never regretted the decision, I was thankful I got to make the decision as if time had gone on he would have harmed someone resulting in the same, more traumatic outcome.

❤️

Spinninggyro · 25/07/2023 18:12

I’m so sorry you have had this experience. For a badly damaged, scared dog being pts is an act of kindness and bravery.

RunningFromInsanity · 25/07/2023 18:14

2bazookas · 25/07/2023 17:00

(of rescue charities)

"Most have clauses that mean you do not have the authority to make the decision to put the dog to sleep.*

I am surprised to read that. We have had half a dozen rescue dogs from various UK rescue organisations and not one has ever set such a condition.

All our dogs lives ended by PTS by our vets at our request, when it was necessary for the dogs sake (extreme old age frailty, cancer) . The only opinion we ever sought was medical, from the vet involved.

These contracts are basically unenforceable. Particularly the ones that say the dog can’t be rehomed/passed on and has to be given back to the rescue.
Once the dog has been rehomed, the new owners are the new owners. They get to decide what to do with their property (the dog).

If you sold/rehomed someone a piano, you don’t get to decide what happens to the piano after that.

TaigaSno · 25/07/2023 18:14

@Hoppinggreen @Donotshushme What are the issues with SDT? Just curious as I've not heard anything bad about them before. They were highly recommended to me by someone on this site and I had a great experience with them for helping my own rescue dog.

RunningFromInsanity · 25/07/2023 18:25

TaigaSno · 25/07/2023 18:14

@Hoppinggreen @Donotshushme What are the issues with SDT? Just curious as I've not heard anything bad about them before. They were highly recommended to me by someone on this site and I had a great experience with them for helping my own rescue dog.

They advocate for the use of positive punishment, yanking at leads, physical correction and e-collars.
All very contentious dog training methods.

SlightlygrumpyBettyswaitress · 25/07/2023 18:27

I think pts will put the poor thing out of his misery.
Don't be hard on yourself and don't ban yourself from getting another dog.

Sixmonthcruise · 25/07/2023 18:30

Betafeta thank you so much, I am so sorry you were faced with this same decision and dilemma. It’s not one any of us takes lightly is it? I had my beloved dog pts last year and it was awful even though he was riddled with cancer and hours from dying, that was the toughest thing I’ve had to do, this will feel even worse.
Thank you Spinninggyro

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Sixmonthcruise · 25/07/2023 18:33

SlightlygrumpyBettyswaitress thank you.

It feels like such a heart wrenching decision especially as the dc say they don’t want him pts but ultimately dh and I are the responsible owners of our dog and parents to the dc and we need to make the right decision. Still makes me want to weep.

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neilyoungismyhero · 25/07/2023 18:44

It's such a shame poor boy but it really sounds like he is in the wrong home/environment for his issues. The fact he is so good with you and your husband says a lot. He doesn't want to be stressed or overwhelmed in a busyish household. Sounds like an older fit couple with no other people in the house would suit him down to the ground.
Don't let the Rescue fob you off, it's not just a case of re-homing an animal, they need to go to their best fit which sadly you aren't, not your fault. It's not fair on your children either, dogs should not bite or snap it's not acceptable. If she won't have him back try and find a reputable Rescue and advise them of his issues. Sorry it hasn't worked out you sound like good doggy people.

HippyChickMama · 25/07/2023 18:48

Whereabouts are you based @Sixmonthcruise? My dbro is an IMDT trainer and behaviourist who has successfully worked with traumatised rescues in the past. I'm happy to send you his details if you want them. Even if he's not local to you, or too expensive, he gives free advice online too

CurlewKate · 25/07/2023 18:51

I wish people would stop thinking that being PTS is the worst thing that can happen to a dog. Apart from ANYTHING else, the enormous amounts of time and money put into trying to partially rehabilitate one sad, damaged dog who will never be able to be part of a happy family could do wonders for countless others currently stuck in cages waiting for happy families of their own.

Sixmonthcruise · 25/07/2023 18:56

Thank you neilyoungismyhero in an ideal scenario that’s exactly where I’d like him to go, to a couple, maybe older but who have no younger people within their household. It may be an unrealistic vision that I hold for him but if everyone could see him now (dc are out) he is so gentle, easy going and relaxed with dh and I. Dh is in the garden and the dog is following him about trotting up and down the garden looking very content. I know that he can not continue to live with us even though dc are not noisy teens but I do truly believe he would thrive given the right circumstances with the right people but as others have said it’s probably an unrealistic pipe dream.

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MontyDonsBlueScarf · 25/07/2023 18:57

Spinninggyro · 25/07/2023 18:12

I’m so sorry you have had this experience. For a badly damaged, scared dog being pts is an act of kindness and bravery.

Exactly this. Your poor dog drew a very short straw with (possibly) bad genes, early separation from his mother, and a first owner who seems to have known nothing about his needs. Plus stints in kennels and changes of owner.

It might theoretically be possible for someone with infinite resources to help him overcome all this, but it may be that he has been too badly damaged to ever be relaxed, let alone happy, in a family home.

Do you think he is happy? Do you think there's a realistic chance that anyone could do more than you have done to make him happy? If not you will be doing him a great kindness by having him PTS with love.

tabulahrasa · 25/07/2023 18:58

You can’t carry on as you are...

Rehoming him would definitely be the wrong decision.

That leaves you with -

Getting the money together for a behaviourist. I know you said finances are an issue just now, but could you credit card it, borrow it, sell something? The fees quoted are usually up front and follow up support is included, so it’s a one off not a series of ongoing costs.

Or accepting that having him put to sleep is the best thing you can do for him now.

Namechange10101010 · 25/07/2023 18:59

It's hard OP and I agree that rehoming wouldn't help.

Did you think about the meds option other posters mentioned?

Also if you can't afford a behaviouralist maybe try pps suggestion of keeping him out of the kitchen or try watching some of Victoria Stillwells videos on YouTube. She looks to have had good results with similar dogs using simple techniques and only uses positive training

Sixmonthcruise · 25/07/2023 19:03

HippyChickMama oh thank you so much. We are in Essex.
CurlewKate it may not seem like the worse thing to someone currently not in this position but believe me, right now I feel bloody awful, like I’m making the worst decision of my life. My last dog did not take his eyes off my me for a moment whilst the injection went in. I will NEVER forget that stare and I never contemplated for a second that I would have to go through that pain again just a year later.

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HippyChickMama · 25/07/2023 19:09

Sixmonthcruise · 25/07/2023 19:03

HippyChickMama oh thank you so much. We are in Essex.
CurlewKate it may not seem like the worse thing to someone currently not in this position but believe me, right now I feel bloody awful, like I’m making the worst decision of my life. My last dog did not take his eyes off my me for a moment whilst the injection went in. I will NEVER forget that stare and I never contemplated for a second that I would have to go through that pain again just a year later.

He's not local to you, unfortunately, opposite end of the country pretty much but, as I said, he does online Zoom sessions and online advice. I will dm you his details now, I hope he can help

Sixmonthcruise · 25/07/2023 19:10

MontyDonsBlueScarf the fact that I see how happy and content he is with dh and I does make me truly believe he could have a happy life in the right circumstances even with his history. I do think that someone without younger people in their lives could very much give him the life his needs. If love and kindness were enough he would be fine here but obviously (and sadly) there is much more to owning a rescue with history than that.
tabulahrasa most of the reputable and well respected behaviourists in our area charge £600+, we simply don’t have that right now.
Namechange10101010 I spoke to our vet last week about meds, he said he could put him on fluoxetine but it must be whilst working with a behaviourist.

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Sixmonthcruise · 25/07/2023 19:11

HippyChickMama thanks

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Boomboom22 · 25/07/2023 19:14

And when that older couple take him for a walk in the woods and he jumps on a child? Come on, you know he's not safe anymore.

mangochops · 25/07/2023 19:15

Iamanicelady · 25/07/2023 11:23

You literally could have been writing about my Dad's rescue dog. She was lovely but would turn on a dime. You could be stroking her and she'd be all relaxed then out of nowhere, she would turn around and try to take a bite out of you for absolutely no reason. She also did the biting feet thing - it was mostly to do with food - if you were anywhere near her when she ate, you'd get bitten. When my Dad would get ready for bed, she would follow him round trying to bite his feet. She would also go for your feet if you stamped your feet, i.e. to get mud out of your boots. She once bit my Dad so badly when he was putting her lead on, she nearly took the top of his finger off! One day, we had just walked our dogs and my dad noticed something on the front of his car so he went to wipe it off and she just went for him. This resulted in a massive infection, surgery and a few days in hospital. When Dad was in hospital, we had her PTS. After speaking with a behavioural expert, it was clear that rehoming her wouldn't work, in fact, it would probably make matters worse as she'd have suffered rejection and having to adjust to another new home, but also, it was likely that she had schizophrenia. I'm not sure people really realise dogs can have mental health conditions but they really can and unfortunately, they're usually extremely difficult or impossible to treat. PTS was the kindest option for everyone. She was at peace and I could rest easy knowing that I wouldn't go over to see my Dad and he'd be lying on the floor bleeding out because she bit him. I know it sounds cruel to say but she is now a distant memory and as upsetting as it was at the time, it was the best solution as the situation had become completely untenable.
Please don't let your children and family suffer with this anymore. It's likely that whatever behaviour he has ingrained in him will continue and possibly get worse. He will never be the dog you want him to be.
My Dad tried for three years and so desperately wanted to help her but I had to make a choice and ultimately, I valued my Dads life over hers so it was a no brainer really.

I agree with this. Dogs can absolutely get mental health issues just like humans- their brains are no different in that sense. I knew a dog that got dementia for example and it just became so distressed/confused that PTS was the kindest thing, the vet agreed.

I think the main issue here is quality of life. We wouldnt think twice about PTS a dog in physical anguish and distress so why would mental distress be any different? You have exhausted every option, its not like you have given up at the first sign of trouble and I agree with PP that if he goes to another family the stress of it will be absolutely fcking awful for him. Its so very sad but also hard to know how much of this was caused by abuse/neglect and how much was caused by his individual brain chemistry (or maybe a combo of both?). Massive hugs OP but you will be doing the right thing x

PurplePotatoMash · 25/07/2023 19:16

Hi, I’ve been in your position and we made the gut wrenching decision to PTS. If you’d like to chat, drop me a message.
We did everything we could, but ultimately we weren't safe.

It’s really hard and only those who’ve been through it understand. I’m sorry.

tabulahrasa · 25/07/2023 19:18

“most of the reputable and well respected behaviourists in our area charge £600+, we simply don’t have that right now.”

If you can’t beg or borrow it, or anything... then you’re pretty much left with having him put to sleep.

But you also need to get to grips with the idea that that is the best thing for him... IMO (for what that’s worth) I think it is, but I think it’s going to be much harder for you if that’s not where you are yet.

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