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How do I protect my small dog from irresponsible dog owners who can’t control their dogs

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Rinoachicken · 02/11/2022 09:58

I have a small dog. She’s a chug. She is usually on the lead for walks - mainly because her recall is not 100% so she has to stay on a long lead, or the extending lead, depending on where we are walking. But increasingly I keep her on the lead as it’s the best way to keep her safe from out of control off lead dogs.

She’s well socialised, not afraid of other dogs, and is not dog reactive.

But because she is small herself she prefers to socialise and play with dogs her own size or similar. We have got to know a few local ones and if it’s safe to do so we let them off lead and they have a great time playing safely.

Dogs much larger she will hang back from and avoid, but if they approach (because they are off lead and the owner isn’t around or is clueless) she will sniff greet but then she wants to just move on and I can tell by her body language that she is wary. She ‘freezes’, her tail is down her ears back, super submissive ‘please just sniff me and then go!’

Even if she’s keen I don’t always allow her to play if the size difference is too great - it’s just common sense - she’s at risk of being hurt accidentally. Spaniel size is the limit unless I know the dog well.

But I am SO SO fed up of the increasing number of irresponsible dog owners who let their dogs run around off the lead WITH NO RECALL. Their dogs come charging up to me and my dog and are straight in her face.

The owner is half way across the field either not even looking or powerless and not even bothered to do anything.

We had an incident like this yesterday where I was walking her on lead, minding our own business. Saw an off lead lab up ahead. Labs are too big to be safe playmates for my dog. Lab sees us and comes charging over and is immediately on top of my dog. I could see it was young, and it was in ‘play’ mode - but my dog did not want to play, and was trying to get away.

Owner called her dog when it first set off towards us and of course it completely ignored her. I expected her to then come and get it - but no! She just turns around and starts watching her kid in the park instead.

Mine is now tying herself up in knots between my legs trying to get away from the dog that seems to want to pick her up in it’s mouth. I yell at the woman to get control of her dog - she looks at me all dumbfounded ‘what?’.

Then my dog yelped so I’m afraid I lost my temper and yelled louder ‘come and get your fucking dog!’

She then scuttled over and put her dog on the lead. I said to her ‘if your dog doesn’t come back when you call them it shouldn’t be off the lead’ and started to walk off. She didn’t even apologise or ask if my dog was ok. I then hear her say TO HER DOG ‘see X, what have I told you’

I turned back and said it’s not the dogs fault - it’s your fault! You’re the owner!

It’s just so irresponsible. Why do some dog owners seem to think they have the right to put my dog in danger? It would only take one bite and she’d be dead. It should be up to me to decide which dogs she will be around and when - not for other owners who aren’t even physically there half the time and probably have no idea of her size before they let their much larger dog barrel into her. It’s the equivalent of letting a 16yr old have a wrestling match with a 4yr old.

I don’t care if you think your dog is friendly and it ‘just wants to say hello’. If it doesn’t come back when you call it then it is NOT under your control. You need to train it better or keep it on a lead. End of. I’m DONE with feeble excuses and apologies, entitlement and faux hurt feelings because I’ve dared to call them out on their lax and irresponsible attitude to dog ownership.

Im just so fed up with it. It’s happening more and more. I’ve now ordered a dog deterrent spray so I have some additional defence for me and my dog. And of course there’s always my boot (I have big heavy toe capped boots for dog walking).

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bunnygeek · 02/11/2022 10:19

This is one thing that seriously worries me as I may be taking on a Chihuahua over Xmas and the new year. She's obviously tiny and is already anxious of big dogs :(

bigblueyonder · 02/11/2022 10:24

I yell at the woman to get control of her dog

Don't yell at the woman, stand in front of your dog yell at the other dog in a non playful manner. Get the body language right and they generally get the message and go.

Owner may not be happy but tough.

Rinoachicken · 02/11/2022 10:24

It is really scary. I feel like I’ve done everything I can to make her a well socialised not-anxious dog - I walk her responsibly - I’ve done my bit - but then I see a larger dog charging towards her out of control, and it’s head by itself is bigger than her whole body…I couldn’t sleep last night because I was just going over it again and again. You know one bite and it’s all over.

And mine isn’t even as small as a chihuahua.

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Rinoachicken · 02/11/2022 10:26

bigblueyonder · 02/11/2022 10:24

I yell at the woman to get control of her dog

Don't yell at the woman, stand in front of your dog yell at the other dog in a non playful manner. Get the body language right and they generally get the message and go.

Owner may not be happy but tough.

This is great advice, will definitely this, thank you.

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Theskyisfallingdown · 02/11/2022 10:26

I entirely avoid places popular with dog walkers, and keep an eye out ahead and behind for approaching dogs, so I can pick mine up. Most dogs don't like meeting other dogs and the majority of dog owners seem to be sub intellect dicks who don't understand basic manners and body language.

It's my job to keep my dog safe from these knuckledraggers. Plus small dogs will trigger a prey drive in a lot of breeds, so all the more reason to remove them as a snack option/victim for dogs owned by scum.

Rinoachicken · 02/11/2022 10:29

Yes I think she does trigger the prey drive a lot of the time - she looks like a rabbit when she is running.

I try not to pick her up too much unnecessarily as I don’t want her to become anxious at just seeing a dog in the distance - but I have picked her up a couple of times when I’ve felt she’s in danger.

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Theskyisfallingdown · 02/11/2022 10:31

After decades of this shit I shut down their cliches 'he's only being-' 'he won't do anyt-' nope. 'get it away.' 'control it, now.'
A dangerously out of control dog is an offence, a dog being allowed to scare someone is an offence, I let shit owners who want to argue know I'm happy to report them, if they can't control their animal. Helps focus their brain and they avoid me in future coz they think I'm a psycho 😄

dudsville · 02/11/2022 10:31

I agree it's scary. Some owners just don't understand so you have to be ready to take control of the situation. With young boisterous pups who "just want to play", stand between your dog and the pup and say no with a hard stare. These ownders need continuos behavioural training too, so you have to explain "my dog is elderly/fragile/scared" etc.,

Rinoachicken · 02/11/2022 10:33

Last time I picked her up was when a small
woman was approaching with an XL bully (I know that was the breed as she told me). Apparently he was 6months old but his back was already at her waist level and although he was on a lead I remember thinking this woman is completely deluded if she thinks she has ANY control of that dog. It was pulling her along like she wasn’t even there and it was taking all of her strength to hold it back as it was - if he had actually decided it wanted to be somewhere else she would have had NO say in that at all!

It saw my dog and was far far to interested.

So yeah, she was picked up pretty sharpish on that occasion!

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Rinoachicken · 02/11/2022 10:34

Definitely going to focus more on the dog and telling it NO etc and body blocking - and less on the owner next time - thanks for all these tips I do appreciate it

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Theskyisfallingdown · 02/11/2022 10:35

Someone allowed their oversize breed to bite me in its bid to get at my dog. I no longer do 'excuse me, please could you just-', I am done. It's now loud instructions and a hard glare for crap dog owners.

Strawberrypicnic · 02/11/2022 10:36

I don't have exactly the same problem because my dog is big, but I totally empathise with the frustration. My dog is always walked on lead because he's a greyhound. Even though he's a large dog, he HATES being approached enthusiastically by off-lead dogs regardless of their breed. I totally understand this - the power dynamic between an off-lead and on-lead dog is completely skewed. A lot of owners aren't even looking at their dogs and I hate being solely responsible for the interaction between theirs and mine. I try and put myself physically between them and to lead him away from the situation quickly and firmly with verbal reassurance. Sometimes I shout at the owner to recall their dog if it's being really persistent, but they rarely can.

Rinoachicken · 02/11/2022 10:36

Might just start printing out this page and wordlessly handing it to them - saves me wasting my breath and getting into an argument 🤣

www.gov.uk/control-dog-public

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blippi123 · 02/11/2022 10:38

I don't have a dog but I go to the park often and have watched a few incidents of dogs off the lead, big dogs, and with no recall

If I had a dog I'd be scared to take it out. My dad has a dog and three out of control dogs attacked her, my dad kicked one and then the owner got them away. He didn't say a word, just walked off

So many dog walkers are really irresponsible

NotLactoseFree · 02/11/2022 10:39

Sorry OP, but you do sound quite paranoid. The chances of a dog biting another dog very badly in play is actually pretty low. My also quite small dog is perfectly comfortable with other dogs but also mostly doesn't want to play. She does a sniff and then we all move on. Usually, I just call her, she follows me and the other dogs realise that she doesn't want to hang out and move on. Just keep moving, keep your dog moving, and in almost all cases the other dogs go off to find someone else.

MrsEricBana · 02/11/2022 10:39

This happens to me too very frequently and I absolutely hate it, I'm 100% with you. It astounds me when these people just go "Oh he's lovely / he's only playing" etc. I was recently called a Karen at the park because I told a man to get his dog under control and he laughed and said the dog (huge lurcher) had every right to play as it is a park. No he doesn't!!! I now give big bouncy dogs with distant owners a very wide berth, stand in front of my dog, firmly shout off/down at the advancing dog and would grab my dog and turn my back on the big dog etc but it shouldn't be necessary, what are these people not getting?

Toooldtoworry · 02/11/2022 10:40

I have SBTs and an Alapaha Blue Blood Bulldog. One of my SBTs is terrified of other dogs. I stand in front of him if anything comes bounding over and tell random dog to sit. It is really effectual. Although I do put my best 'stern mum' voice on.

mistlethrush · 02/11/2022 10:40

My dog is the last one you'd want your dog to be playing with as she's a lurcher with a high prey drive. However, you'd be completely wrong - she's actually very mindful of smaller dogs and is excellent at playing at the right 'scale' for the dog. Mind you, seeing your dog on a lead and looking anxious, she would completely avoid you both anyway (she is 12.5 so knows very well to avoid dogs on leads and also is wary of small anxious dogs as she knows they might snap!). Mine can tell the difference between a squirrel and a rabbit in less than a second and wouldn't give your dog a second look if there were any rabbits around and she was younger - she knew very well that your dog was a dog so wasn't interested in the least in chasing it as 'prey'... In fact, my dog has recently made friends with a chihuahua and it's tiny puppy friend - and again plays beautifully despite the size difference, so please don't let 'size' be the defining issue - yes, do understand the owner and the dog before you make this choice though!

I had to stand in front of my (quite large) lurcher who was on the lead when a cockerpoo came up aggressively - mine was on the lead so couldn't get away and is too old to be doing with all of that so I took charge. The dog backed down but the owner gave me an earful. Dog had manners just like its owner.

Meseekslookatme · 02/11/2022 10:40

I've shouted "CONTROL YOUR FUCKING DOG" at selfish dickhead dog owners before.
They always look offended. They rarely have a go back.
I don't care.
"They are playing!"
Fuck. Off. With. Your. Fucking. Dog.

Rinoachicken · 02/11/2022 10:41

My mum has the same problem @Strawberrypicnic - she has a large Welsh springer but he isn’t interested in playing or meeting dogs - he just wants to enjoy his walk. He has a few dogs he likes (greyhounds he seems to like interestingly) often because they are not boisterous or in his face and don’t charge up to him.

No dog should be allowed to approach a dog that is on a lead without that owners permission - could be sick, old, aggressive, anything.

I always thought it was the most basic known rule - always used to be - but these days seems so many have NO clue about responsible dog ownership, dog behaviour and body language etc.

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Toooldtoworry · 02/11/2022 10:42

I'll be honest. It seems worse since covid

Theskyisfallingdown · 02/11/2022 10:42

@NotLactoseFree OP was not talking about play, but about people letting their dogs with no recall (so, dangerously out of control) approach her dog in a manner that could injure her dog. Sadly there are many shut dog owners like this around.

MrsEricBana · 02/11/2022 10:43

NotLactoseFree · 02/11/2022 10:39

Sorry OP, but you do sound quite paranoid. The chances of a dog biting another dog very badly in play is actually pretty low. My also quite small dog is perfectly comfortable with other dogs but also mostly doesn't want to play. She does a sniff and then we all move on. Usually, I just call her, she follows me and the other dogs realise that she doesn't want to hang out and move on. Just keep moving, keep your dog moving, and in almost all cases the other dogs go off to find someone else.

OP isn't being paranoid! It is a daily reality that irresponsible dog owners let their dogs jump all over other people and their dogs with no control in evidence. My medium sized dog has been attacked and badly bitten twice and I know of loads of other examples. I'm glad yours hasn't but this is a real issue for a lot of people and one I hadn't especially forseen before I had my dog.

Theskyisfallingdown · 02/11/2022 10:43

*shit

Rinoachicken · 02/11/2022 10:46

@NotLactoseFree I think you have misunderstood the situation I am describing.

My dog plays happily with other dogs OF HER AND MY CHOOSING, she has never been injured playing.

She did not want to play with this dog. This dog was dominating her and in her space (and mine!) and frightening her.

The owner of said dog did NOTHING to get her dog back under her control.

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