Xl bully

[sarah8484]

Would you ever trust an xl bully? My sister has one with young children. Puppy is only 10 weeks and very cute but i just wouldn't trust one around my children. She disagrees and thinks it the owner not the animal. I feel ok at the moment taking my children round but when the dog is bigger i won't be taking my child around. My sister thinks im being dramatic. Just wanted to hear other peoples views.

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Don't let your kids near that dog

I bumped into a bloke walking a 10 week old puppy today it was a cross with a presa canario and an xl bully . He told me had a 2 year old boy so wanted the dog to be non reactive . Absolute idiot

No.

I’m wary and cautious around ALL dogs who come near dd, even my parents dogs who we know well. I wouldn’t allow dd to be anywhere near one of these.

No and we dog sit / walk 2 of these 1 is really soft 1 is really reactive they live on a ex livery farm so doesn’t get taken off there property anymore as they have fields. Both very strong on the lead dh struggles at times and both huge and sometimes when excited or playing come bounding into you and can knock an adult over let alone a child. Despite not being puppies anymore they also have loads of energy especially the reactive one so I would say definitely no for an inexperienced dog owner with a young family

Then unless she learns an awful lot, very fast, and is prepared to put a LOT of time into it, I wouldn’t go near it. They can be lovely dogs, but they can be killers. The difference is training, boundaries, confidence and breeding. Your sister doesn’t know this and could easily fuck the dog up without meaning to, especially if she is too loving. Does she know how BIG they get? A fucked up lab might bite someone and they need stitches. A fucked up bully might bite someone and kill them. They are NOT beginner dogs. The fact that the breeder has sold her one as a beginner suggests they are not a great breeder, either.

Genes load the gun. The environment pulls the trigger. The safety is off here.

Nah, there were always loads of signs. But people were too inexperienced and not knowledgeable enough about dogs to read them.

It did not ‘suddenly snap’. It had a history of resource guarding, had hyper attachment, poor boundaries, had separation anxiety, was fighting with and being kept apart from the other dog in the family, wasn’t exercised, was reactive and it’s owner was unwell. It came from a puppy farm. And probably some other issues I’ve forgotten (I read about it somewhere else yesterday). All triggers I got from a quick news article. It was a poorly bred, poorly trained and incredibly stressed dog at the worst possible age. It’s a wonder it lasted 18 months without ‘snapping’, frankly. Apparently she was ‘going’ to get a behaviourist, and her mother and others had implored her to rehome ‘Rocco’. It said he weighed 14 stone. If a dog like that is reactive, you have a BIG problem. You can’t solve it, you have to prevent it. So you need to know what you are doing from day one.

Literally terrifying that people are STILL choosing XL Bullies even after all the recent deaths due to the dogs.

I think we should ban them. And the breeding of them. Your Sis is an idiot.

Absolutely not

Gumtree is full of these at the moments, puppies with “massively reduced” prices, despite pages of boasting about being the bloodline of “Well known Bossy Gucci and Big Boss Chanel Thugdog” etc…

Or, ones about 10 months old who are being rehomed “due to work and not having time” apparently but being described as “great with kids”

Words fail me , why on earth would you cross these breeds ?
No way would my children be allowed anywhere near an xlbully or other similar breeds , i work with dogs , own dogs ,love dogs , i despair at what these idiots are breeding and releasing into society.
I also hope parents are aware of dogs in any house their children may visit ie after school with friends etc.

Nope never.

I would trust it as much as I would trust any dog If its been trained everyday from 8 weeks old, to use its brain and get mental stimulation

I never understand this attitude either. I have a rescue pug, he can barely open his mouth wide enough to eat a bloody sausage never mind savage someone to death. If he did try I can over power him easily. His bite potential and his strength are so completely different to an xl bully that grown adults cannot over power. I don't understand how you would feel if they were both trained and stimulated they are both the same risk to life?

As a massive dog lover, I don't think you are being unreasonable to not trust any dog around your children. They don't mix well, even if the dog is a lovely family labrador. I can't believe adults are so stupid that they need to even ask this question. I don't have children and would much prefer to be with dogs and day. However, I would never want to see a child hurt.

I've rescued 2 labs, a boxer x mastiff and now a staffy x. I have never had or would have children, unsupervised, around any of them.

Children naturally grab. Dogs have nociceptors and therefore feel pain. It isn't hard to see how this could turn out to be a mess.

HELL NO

Check out r/banpitbulls

One of my neighbours has one. No idea what the dog is like but we aren't going anywhere near it to find out. I wait until they're long gone past before we go outside. He posts all over Facebook about needing a new harness to stop it jumping up, how to stop it jumping up at strangers.... but don't worry, I'm sure it will be fine with their primary aged child and their newborn. I wish I could report it, I cannot believe it is legal.

I hope she has it insured, both from a liability perspective and the multiple health issues it’s likely to have.

I wouldn't trust that this dog is going to get the appropriate training.

I have a 5 year old mastiff cross. Way before they were fashion item (he's 5 and I'm never that far ahead of the trend)

These dogs take work, strong leaders and massive amounts of training. My dog had exceptional recall (better than any spaniel I've ever owned) he is completely non reactive to dogs/children/cats/small animals.

He loves men, he's an absolute man whore because he was raised on a male only military camp, taken to work every day with my late husband, encountered dogs, horses, cattle and sheep on hill runs. He's also a great family dog because he's been raised with a child in the house, and other children on camp. He walks great on a lead, but I still walk I'm on a halti to comply with the law of always being in control of my dog in public. I've zero concerns about my XL mastiff. I can tell him to "leave it" and he will abandon anything he is doing to comply. I can say sit, down, shake hands and he will comply without fail.

But that took years of work, and still now he needs physical exercise (but not too much he was diagnosed with a heart murmur) and lots of mental stimulation and playing. We still learn new tricks like roll over, spin, turn, because it keeps him engaged.

Mastiffs and bully breeds can be great dogs, they really can, but they need a great deal of time and work put into them to become this. Same as a doberman or rottweiler.

I still wouldn't leave any dog and a child alone unsupervised, be it mastiff, Labrador or cocker spaniel, because that's just a good rule of thumb. But I fear these XL dogs that are now a fashion statement item are going to end up in rescues, or worse fatalities to adults and children.

I feel they will be out on the dangerous dog list, but selfishly I hope mines geriatric by the time this comes to be and they just stope the breeding/sale of them rather than retrospectively apply it.

Not necessarily true about the owners. My parents have a really aggressive springer spaniel. Had him since a baby and he was a much wanted and is a much loved pet. He'd tear ya face off though given the chance...

Your sister is an idiot, so is anyone saying "it's not the breed it's the owner".

Show your sister, from Wikipedia or elsewhere fatal dog accidents in the UK.

Funnily enough you won't be surprised to see which breeds are involved. It would for sure be a weird coincidence that "it's not the breed" - must be, unless someone is stupid enough to insist that only these breeds have bad environments.

These breeds are not only obviously more naturally inclined to snap like this, the risk is purely not worth it. The damage that can be done is awful. Just the other day there was a story about two small children being killed by family pitbulls.

Why would you risk having a dog that could kill you? You know they can snap for any reason? Literally why even risk it.

@CaptainBarbosa the DDA is antiquated and doesn't serve a purpose at all. A mastiff x will not be added to it, hopefully given time, no breed will be on the list. My dog is a 'type'. I didn't know about this until a few months ago when we rescued a staffy x. He is clearly not a pure staffy, he's too big. However, he is extremely gentle with children, people and other animals. He was kissing/licking a horse today.

My dog is not an American Pit Bull, a breed which is banned in the UK, unfortunately for my dog, it is the way he looks.

I have to live with the fact that police could potentially stop me and take him. Luckily, in '97 the DDA was changed and I would have the opportunity to go to court and ask them to assess his nature. If they deemed him non-aggressive he gets to keep his life with caveats. He is already castrated, micro-chipped and insured with third party liability. I hope that if it ever does happen, a judge would look kindly on this. He would also need to be muzzled in public, something which he currently isn't, because he has never shown any bit of nastiness.

I hate people sometimes. The reason being is that we use and abuse animals. We turn them into monsters, then we call them monsters. We blame them for our mistakes and then fuck them over.

@Miajk you do realise that any person could kill you? Why risk being around humans? You know humans can snap for any reason?

A dog would give you a few signs it was agitated, a human may not.

Get a grip.

Absolutely not. Live and work on a farm so I have working dogs who are trained to perfection, but I wouldn't ever get one of these especially if I had young kids. If nothing else they're ugly, brutish looking things, I don't get the appeal of them at all. Jaws like a hyena, yeuch. No thank you.