for the anti breeders

momager1 · 2022-08-01T14:10:56+00:00

May I? a year ago.. I posted about my gorgeous girl giving birth under a breeder contract. I had alot of love for both my breeder (that i have been dealing with for 18 years since our first standard poodle) also had alot of hate against her..which i will refute till the end. we are going on holiday in two weeks and our amazing breeder is taking my mutts...my gorgeous grace that she had the breed contract with and her son oliver.. my cost? bring food. lol. horrible breeder right? taking her dam and offspring for 10 days whilst i am sunning myself on a carribean beach. so many here said my breeder was all about money.. to put both my dogs in boarding for a week would have been almost 600 dollars canadian... my breeder truly is one of the GREAT ONES .. i am dropping my pups off on my way to airport (they go there at least every two weeks with me when we have tea dates) no charge...not just for me...for any of her pups. not all breeders are just about the money..some actually breed to preserve the breed they love.

MolliciousIntent · 01/08/2022 15:16

Your personal positive experience does not in any way cancel out the huge amount of damage done by the industry overall.

ChuckItBucket · 01/08/2022 15:18

No I remember you and she’s still not a good breeder even if she’s going to look after your dogs

RunningFromInsanity · 01/08/2022 15:19

She’s saving you $600 in boarding, how much did she gain by selling the puppies from ‘your’ dog?

SirenSays · 01/08/2022 15:21

600 is nothing compared to what she's making off the pups.

JengaCupboard · 01/08/2022 15:27

I feel very sadly that a minute number of positive experiences do not cancel out the absolute abundance of money grabbing irresponsible and frankly dangerous/cruel breeders in the UK at least - and as such I can't believe its much better elsewhere to a greater or lesser extent.

But while people still do not research or educate themselves enough on the subject of this barbaric industry it will just continue to grow in scale, because people want badly bread 'fashionable' puppies more than they want the truth about their origin.

Not all breeders are 'bad' by any means, which I also advocate, but it seams more and more dodgy sources are appearing at an alarming rate. At my recent insurance renewal one of the main factors for prices rising was described as the influx of poorly bread dogs onto the market requiring extensive care and treatment.

I don't envy anyone trying to responsibly buy a puppy any more, as equally rescue dogs are not suitable for every environment.

I hope you are right about your breeder, but along with a few other MN cliches I think you will struggle for support here OP...

Sitdowncupoftea · 01/08/2022 15:31

If the breeder charged you for a puppy then sorry its about the money.

Hoppinggreen · 01/08/2022 15:36

Why are you still banging on about this for validation?
I remember your post and nothing you say in your update changes my opinion

IRememberXanadu · 01/08/2022 15:53

Sitdowncupoftea · 01/08/2022 15:31

If the breeder charged you for a puppy then sorry its about the money.

This. They may love dogs, or even just that specific breed, but to them it's a business. If they were told to only do that at cost, I bet they wouldn't. Breeding dogs is a huge business, one that I hope will be subject to much, MUCH stricter legislation very soon.

W00p · 01/08/2022 15:54

You sound completely loopy.

ChuckItBucket · 01/08/2022 15:58

Sitdowncupoftea · 01/08/2022 15:31

If the breeder charged you for a puppy then sorry its about the money.

I believe the ops dog is on a breeding contract so she looks after the dog and in return the breeder can use her to breed from. You can churn out more puppies that way

sunsetsandsandybeaches · 01/08/2022 16:22

Why do you keep posting about this?

It's like you want us to agree that your breeder is good - but none of your updates seem to have have done anything to convince anyone.

Sorry, she's not a good breeder.

vera99 · 01/08/2022 16:48

I'm a fox lover (don't ask) and a previous mongrel cat owner but I've always hated pedigrees for the genetic defects that get bred into them to make pleasing shapes for human enjoyment. Plain cruel and exploitative IMHO.

Ethelfromnumber73 · 01/08/2022 17:07

There are breeders out there who convince themselves they are doing it for the 'right reasons' (improving the breed, letting their bitch have a litter etc etc.

Breeders who sell puppies with breeding contracts are NEVER doing it for the right reasons.

HTH

Darklane · 01/08/2022 17:40

Right. I’m completely expecting to be jumped on here.
My dad was a working shepherd who bred Border Collies to work. I can’t see him having had much success with dogs from rescue kennels which seem to be the only source of dogs that the majority of posters on here are in favour of.
Also for over forty years I’ve bred & shown Skye Terriers, usually at the very top of the At Risk Native British Breeds list, bred in its origins for its working abilities, now we don’t want to see such a beautiful breed become extinct in this country.

Now a question. If there were no dog breeders, where would dogs come from for you to obtain from rescue? Random matings? Abroad? Do you want all the pedigrees to become extinct & just mongrels to exist to rescue?

sunsetsandsandybeaches · 01/08/2022 17:43

Darklane · 01/08/2022 17:40

Right. I’m completely expecting to be jumped on here.
My dad was a working shepherd who bred Border Collies to work. I can’t see him having had much success with dogs from rescue kennels which seem to be the only source of dogs that the majority of posters on here are in favour of.
Also for over forty years I’ve bred & shown Skye Terriers, usually at the very top of the At Risk Native British Breeds list, bred in its origins for its working abilities, now we don’t want to see such a beautiful breed become extinct in this country.

Now a question. If there were no dog breeders, where would dogs come from for you to obtain from rescue? Random matings? Abroad? Do you want all the pedigrees to become extinct & just mongrels to exist to rescue?

I have no issue with breeders as a general rule. We got our boy from a breeder. There are plenty of great breeders out there.

However, OP's breeder is dodgy AF.

currahee · 01/08/2022 17:50

It's less to do with being anti breeder/anti breeding (I am neither, provided it's done well) and everything to do with the OP being unable to accept that the breeder's contract terms are ridiculous and exploitative.

vera99 · 01/08/2022 18:03

Breed healthy mongrels if we must in a well-regulated humane market. Breed for maximum health for the animal not other characteristics that can cause inbred problems.

www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/puppy/pedigreedogs/health

Convertedtodressage · 01/08/2022 18:58

Darklane · 01/08/2022 17:40

Right. I’m completely expecting to be jumped on here.
My dad was a working shepherd who bred Border Collies to work. I can’t see him having had much success with dogs from rescue kennels which seem to be the only source of dogs that the majority of posters on here are in favour of.
Also for over forty years I’ve bred & shown Skye Terriers, usually at the very top of the At Risk Native British Breeds list, bred in its origins for its working abilities, now we don’t want to see such a beautiful breed become extinct in this country.

Now a question. If there were no dog breeders, where would dogs come from for you to obtain from rescue? Random matings? Abroad? Do you want all the pedigrees to become extinct & just mongrels to exist to rescue?

I’m also the very proud owner of a dog very much on the vulnerable native breed list. He is the funniest dog in the world. Tyre breeders of the vulnerable breeds are usually very responsible and dedicated to the breed and it’s good health.

EdithStourton · 01/08/2022 19:23

Breed healthy mongrels if we must in a well-regulated humane market. Breed for maximum health for the animal not other characteristics that can cause inbred problems.
I'd be very much in favour of the KC maintaining a record of pedigrees, with the option of outcrossing and breeding back in every few generations. I work my older dog and even if I didn't, I would still like the predictability of breed type (, build, size, temperament - I know they can vary, and my two are very different from each other, but there is also a lot of overlap).

Breeds as such are not the problem, so long as they are not bred for defects like serious brachycephaly. Closed registries are the issue.

RunningFromInsanity · 01/08/2022 19:52

There’s nothing wrong with creating crossbreeds/mongrels if it’s done to suit a purpose and done with the correct health tests etc.

The idea behind labradoodles was sound, create guide dogs/assistance dogs that don’t shed/affect people with allergies.
Sadly it wasn’t done with enough care and then was hijacked by the ‘designer dog’ breeders and wasn’t as successful as it could have been.

A proper (cross)breed standard needs to be created to allow for ethical breeding and the creation of new breeds.

Ivedonethisthreetimealready · 01/08/2022 20:17

Why are you going on about this? You already have a thread on this

Your definition of a good breeder is different to mine. The things your breeder has done have benefitted the owners and the breeder not necessarily the dogs.

Darklane · 01/08/2022 21:30

“I'd be very much in favour of the KC maintaining a record of pedigrees,”

They already do.

Also many of the vulnerable breeds are importing sometimes to add to the gene pool, some countries are more aware of the value of our old breeds.
Also much is done on testing, even when not officially required as in some breeds. My breed has been DNA testing for over fifteen years even though the KC states that there are no required tests for the breed. I’ve never encountered an inherited disease in all my years & my bunch have been a robust lot, all living to 16+ with hardly a vet visit. Five lived to 18+ & one of my old ladies recently died two weeks short of turning 20.

tabulahrasa · 02/08/2022 09:08

Darklane · 01/08/2022 17:40

Right. I’m completely expecting to be jumped on here.
My dad was a working shepherd who bred Border Collies to work. I can’t see him having had much success with dogs from rescue kennels which seem to be the only source of dogs that the majority of posters on here are in favour of.
Also for over forty years I’ve bred & shown Skye Terriers, usually at the very top of the At Risk Native British Breeds list, bred in its origins for its working abilities, now we don’t want to see such a beautiful breed become extinct in this country.

Now a question. If there were no dog breeders, where would dogs come from for you to obtain from rescue? Random matings? Abroad? Do you want all the pedigrees to become extinct & just mongrels to exist to rescue?

It’s not that people (well you get the very odd one) are anti breeders, it’s that they’re anti bad breeders.

Breeding to do something is exactly what breeders should be doing - I’d assume your dad was breeding proven workers and you’re breeding true to type Skye terriers, not just any with working reproductive organs.

Floralnomad · 02/08/2022 09:13

I’m not sure what your point here is @momager1 , you go for tea every other week so this woman is your friend and it’s very common for friends to look after dogs for friends when they go on holiday .

EdithStourton · 03/08/2022 11:35

"I'd be very much in favour of the KC maintaining a record of pedigrees,”

They already do.

Sorry, I meant recording cross-breedings. As it is, it's almost impossible to get an outcross project sanctioned and recorded, which is frankly nuts given the less of diversity and consequent health issues in some breeds.