Neighbour has got a Presa Canario

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I was looking for some information on this dog, my neighbour got one from someone who left him outside all the time, so he's obviously not socialised.
To be honest he's terrifying looking, he's huge but apparently only 8 months. Looking at pictures on Google he looks like he is a presa mixed with who knows what. So my question is for those who know this dog, can they jump over walls?
We have a wall between us and the neighbour but part of it is only about 4 feet, could he jump over this? I'm afraid to let the kids out into the garden.

Yep I’d be with you and getting a higher fence put in.

@CameraCoffeeCrochet

I'm sorry for ating you here, I just saw on another thread that you have some experience with this breed. Could you advise me please?

I think yes an untrained one definitely could. Hopefully someone will be along with better advice but if it was me I'd not let the kids outside until this was resolved (which is awful of course but don't risk it).

That's what I thought. He can easily put his paws onto the top of the wall and look over so I'd imagine if he wanted to he'd have no problem jumping over it.

MrsEricBana
The kids are now even afried to play in the front garden, and he can't get near there. Really sad that they might get a fear of dogs because of this.

I think I'd be erecting more than a fence tbh...and a very strong gate.

Like any dog, it's the owner / training that determines their behaviour in almost all circumstances.

That said, these dogs are territorial and aggressive, and if the dog has not been appropriately socialised and trained (as this one sounds like it hasn't) I would not turn my back on it. My friend and her dog were attacked by two that had escaped from their garden (where they were being bred for goodness knows what, but nothing legal I suspect) - they attacked several people and it took several policemen in riot gear to corner them in the shopping mall that they ended up in. Beyond belief - they were returned to the owner.

And this is not a dog hating post because I love dogs and have my own dog. But I honestly think you are right to be worried if the dog hasn't had proper upbringing. That said if your neighbour is willing to put in the work, a dog of that age can be turned around. Unfortunately some of the people (usually men) attracted to these sorts of dogs are not interested in them for companionship or training.

Four feet is nothing. My beagle can jump 5ft from standing, and he's much smaller and weaker than a Presa.

I'm a dog lover - I work with dogs on a daily basis, but Presa Canarios are big, strong, territorial dog, and I would be doing everything I possibly could to prevent it going anywhere near my garden or my DC.

I really don’t understand why people get these sort of dogs what’s wrong with a golden retriever or normal dog 🙄 I’d be very careful if you have children maybe putting pigeon spikes on your fence as a deterrent. That sort of dog could easily jump the fence, my Dalmatian cross could jump the fence and he wasn’t as big as these dogs. My Dad puts chilli powder to deter cats in the summer this might work if you put it near the fence?

sunsetsandsandybeaches
I was hoping with the weight of him that he might be too heavy to jump that high. That's probably not what happens though. I really don't know much about dogs at all, especially not huge ones like this.
Jalisco
My neighbour is very good with animals and dogs, the dog already seems to know my neighbour is the 'alpha', but I know he won't be able to put that much time into the dog to train him, he has a smaller dog already and isn't letting that dog out to his garden now.

I was looking into rehoming a Presa and 6ft fences are a requirement. Yes - they can jump that high or scramble up if they want to. There are plenty of insta stories that show them doing just that.
Speak to your neighbour and erect some fencing.

My neighbour has something similar, I’m not sure if it’s a presa or a bullmastiff.
Massive, black brindle bull type thing.
Looks absolutely terrifying but theirs seems to be very placid and easy going.
Not sure about your neighbours one though tbh, 8 months old, approaching adolescence, had next to no socialisation or training.
Id be putting in a tall strong fence for sure just incase.

I was hoping with the weight of him that he might be too heavy to jump that high. That's probably not what happens though. I really don't know much about dogs at all, especially not huge ones like this.

Sadly not. Even if he can't jump the fence, he could easily throw his body weight at it and break it, or jump high enough to destroy the top of it. Honestly, they are big and very, very strong.

It is just so unfair that neighbours have to worry about dogs such as this, and bear the expense of erecting higher fences, keeping their kids safe from it, and constantly being on alert.

Why?

I used to have a dog that was a Presa canario and Mastiff cross, he was huge about 47kg but he was the softest most gentle dog i have ever met. He could have jumped over a wall the size you are describing yes but he never did in our back yard. Ours was extremely tolerant with other dogs, even when they snapped in his face he would barely react (he may eventually bark at a push), and he was very loving.
I think it's very much about looking at the individual dog and it's personality, ours was not aggressive or territorial, we have a labrador now that is much more territorial and can be reactive on the lead to other dogs.

Suzi888
Thank you for that information, as luck would have it we have enough brick blocks to build up the 4 foot wall to 6 foot inline with the rest of the wall, so that'll be what we are doing this weekend.
Thanks everyone

That dog shouldn’t be trusted round small kids I’m afraid. You need to speak to your neighbour as they need to put secure fencing in around their garden to make sure it doesn’t escape.

I have dogs, am used to dogs and am not afraid of dogs - but I would be afraid to have this breed near my children. This is a breed that is un-insurable in our area and also is not re-homed. Like pit bulls, if they are turned in to animal control they are euthanized.

That’s vile.

Have you asked them to dog-proof the fencing? I have a dog (spaniel, daft as a brush, very loving but totally nuts) and he is an escape artist. I see it as 100% my responsibility to keep him in and have reinforced all the fencing. I’d be mortified if the neighbours felt they needed to alter their fences to keep my dog out of their garden.

My neighbour is very good with animals and dogs, the dog already seems to know my neighbour is the 'alpha', but I know he won't be able to put that much time into the dog to train him, he has a smaller dog already and isn't letting that dog out to his garden now.

That is incredibly telling. So he is also keeping the dog in the garden, and doesn't trust it with his existing dog.

Sorry but I have to disagree - he is not very good with animals and dogs. Nobody who is would get into this situation. I know someone like him. He likes dogs and cares about them - but that isn't remotely the same thing as being good with them or responsible. He rehomed an 8 month old untrained / ignored "lockdown" Rottweiler. It has attacked a huge number of other dogs ("it's still a puppy and only playing", according to him as it pins dogs down by the throat), he is covered with bruises from where it has nipped him ("that is typical behaviour for a Rottie to show affection"), and he has lost just about every friend he has, who now all actively avoid him. His existing dog has now also started becoming aggressive ("she's only playing" - no, she is copying the younger dog having been the target of it's "playing" for months and months). My Border Collie, who is very well trained and socialised growls and is anxious now whenever they come too close - and he has an unerring sense of danger from dogs. He doesn't often warn dogs off, and he is a calm and gentle dog - but he won't have these two near him now. And I know why - he doesn't trust them. He's a very good judge of dog's behaviour and if he says they aren't trustworthy, they aren't.

Canario's were bred for herding (highly intelligent) and fighting. That's a very dangerous combination in the wrong hands.

I may be wrong, but given the language used, I'm guessing the poster may be in the US (uses z not s, and describes "animal control"). So sorry but not necessarily "vile". If her area is anything like some of the areas that I see these dogs in then it wouldn't be an option to try to rehome them - most are bred either for fighting or belong to people you wouldn't want to meet in the daytime, never mind a dark night. Shelters in the US are very different from ours in the UK - and actually many UK rescues wouldn't even take such a dog, so what do you think really happens to many of them here? They end up with the RSPCA, who also euthanise them. Nobody will adopt an uninsurable dog of uncertain character.

What is vile is people who breed and purchase dogs of this type for "protection" and fighting. The dog can't help the circumstances it ends up in but people can.

Yes, I agree -poster is North American, probably Georgia if her user name is anything to go by.

What sort of relationship do you have with your neighbour? Will you be explaining to him that the PC makes you nervous ?
( It would me )

He will obviously see the boundary wall being made taller.

If you have a decent relationship he might be able to reassure you ( a bit) Explain what he is doing to socialise the dog etc.

No it isn’t vile, and it happens in the U.K. too.
I work in dog rescue, and if we cannot safely rehome a dog, it has to be euthanised, there is no other option.