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Cockapoos- from working or show cocker???

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missminimum · 30/03/2022 16:31

I know there have been a lot of cockapoo threads and some people do not approve of the breed. I am not looking for opinions on if you approve of the breed, but advice of the pros and cons between a working cockers or show cocker crosses? We have previously had a show cocker, but many cockerpoos seem to be a cross between a poodle and working cocker, sl would like advice on if this makes much difference in a cockapoo. Thanks

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tabulahrasa · 03/04/2022 07:57

“Yeah of course. They are passing small talk with someone and go into their dogs dna results”

Well they more usually say bull lurcher or deer lurcher, though some mention breeding lines used - depends...

“I am sure you have. And I would bet money that it's because something unexpected happened.”

Nothing particularly unexpected, smaller than average litter but they got the puppy that they had bred for so no big deal.

But I mean, I’m sure you know the people I know better than me - so you’ll know about their lurchers or litters of pedigree dogs more than I do anyway Hmm

“That alone is not an indicator of a good breeder.”

And again, not what I said.

But you know what, carry on...

For reference btw, I own a mongrel.

Neongoddess · 03/04/2022 08:11

Well they more usually say bull lurcher or deer lurcher, though some mention breeding lines used - depends...

No they don't. Not in passing converstation. It's rare that people do, even in breed specific spaces, unless it's relevant.

Nothing particularly unexpected, smaller than average litter but they got the puppy that they had bred for so no big deal

So yes. Unexpected. So doesn't prove they are a good breeder or that's good breeders donr do it to make money. On this occasion they didn't.

But I mean, I’m sure you know the people I know better than me - so you’ll know about their lurchers or litters of pedigree dogs more than I do anyway

They only person talking as though they know more than everyone else is you. You are talking in absolutes. People are challenging you because you are wrong in many things you are saying.

You said some pedigree breeders dont do it to make money. You said it to challenge the fact that as said all reeders are doinf ir make money. That was your counter point. You said they sell their puppies and break even just to improve the breed. But haven't been able to provide specifics. Apart from "I know someone who didn't make a profit once".

And this is why it comes across as snobbery.

Back to my original point. Every accusation that can be levelled at some breeders of cross breeds can (and does) apply to some
Breeders of pedigree AND KC registered dogs. Plenty of both are shitty.

tabulahrasa · 03/04/2022 08:17

“No they don't. Not in passing converstation. It's rare that people do, even in breed specific spaces, unless it's relevant.”

WTF?

Yeah, I randomly made that up Hmm

Indoctro · 03/04/2022 08:25

Only get a dog from a working line if you are going to work it

Canicross, agility, scent work etc. otherwise it won't be happy and this is how behavioural issues arise.

Neongoddess · 03/04/2022 08:39

@tabulahrasa

“No they don't. Not in passing converstation. It's rare that people do, even in breed specific spaces, unless it's relevant.”

WTF?

Yeah, I randomly made that up Hmm

You have randomly made other stuff up, so why not?
GuyFawkesDay · 03/04/2022 08:46

I have a cocker spaniel who is show/working line cross. Does that make him a mongrel??

Cockerpoo (let's use the correct name at least, it's not a cocka spaniel) are going to be a mixed bag but I'd steer towards show cross.

We are really lucky in that our lad has a show cocker kind of mentality. He's pretty chilled out in the house, and is a lovely personality. But he is also a spaniel (show or not) and he needs a lot of training work and mental stimulation to keep his brain busy.

I don't know whether it's an owner issue or a genetics issue but the cockerpoo does seem prone to resource guarding and other behaviour quirks.

halfsiesonapotnoodle · 03/04/2022 08:49

CockERpoo. As pp said, get the name right at least. Hmm

fairylightsandwaxmelts · 03/04/2022 08:59

How do you think pedigree breeds came about? They didn't just randomly pop up... they came about from human intervention. People crossing breeds to get the "perfect" dog.

Of course, but that's not really what's happening here as there's absolutely no consistency In the breeding.

You have people breeding both working and show cockers with various sizes of poodle - that's not going to create any form of consistency or any "standard" to expect from a breed.

If cockerpoo breeders wanted consistency they would all be originally breeding (for example) from mini poodles and show cockers to try and create a consistency and the eventually (with a wide enough gene pool) you could mix cockerpoo and cockerpoo and end up with a dog with a predictable coat, temperament and personality.

tabulahrasa · 03/04/2022 09:01

“You have randomly made other stuff up, so why not?”

Rofl, ok...

certainshepherdpups · 03/04/2022 09:18

Cockapoo is the preferred spelling (not cockerpoo).

GuyFawkesDay · 03/04/2022 10:42

Originally Cockapoos were from American Cockers X Mini poodles.

It's been adopted by all spaniel poodle crosses so it's a pointless misnomer now.

fairylightsandwaxmelts · 03/04/2022 11:30

@GuyFawkesDay

Originally Cockapoos were from American Cockers X Mini poodles.

It's been adopted by all spaniel poodle crosses so it's a pointless misnomer now.

Yep, and that's the problem with using names like cockerpoo, labradoodle etc. to refer to a specific cross-breed. It just doesn't work and gives people false expectations of their dogs.

A cockerpoo is just a poodle/cocker spaniel mix. It could be any type and size of poodle and any kind of cocker spaniel, so there's absolutely no way to know what the puppies will be like.

I've said it loads on here but I walk numerous cockerpoos - if you lined them all up together, only two of them look even remotely similar, otherwise they look like totally different breeds. Their coats, colours, sizes and personalities are all completely different.

Which is obviously not a problem in itself, but it baffles me when people say "Get a cockerpoo, they're x, y and z" when it's blatantly obvious that that's not always the case.

GuyFawkesDay · 03/04/2022 12:03

Exactly! Mainly because cockers are hugely varied

Mine is Mr Chill most of the time, but needs games and walks of at least 3 miles a day. My friend has a WCS who chews holes in the wall is operates at 100mph ALL DAY. She's gorgeous and intelligent and absolutely batshit.

I think the spaniel element is massively underplayed in the cross as their dispositions can vary so hugely.

Neongoddess · 03/04/2022 12:07

@tabulahrasa

“You have randomly made other stuff up, so why not?”

Rofl, ok...

Glad we agree on something Grin
fairylightsandwaxmelts · 03/04/2022 13:00

I think the spaniel element is massively underplayed in the cross as their dispositions can vary so hugely.

Exactly!

Cockers just vary so much - are they working or show? American or UK cockers? If they're working cockers, are they from parents who are worked, or are they from "pet" working cockers?

Then add in poodles to the mix - what size poodle are we talking about?As each has their own slightly different personality and temperament. So you have three types of poodle plus at least three-four types of cocker being bred to produce offspring that are apparently all going to be x, y and z?

It's just not going to happen.

And so many people take comments like this as personal criticism as they have a cockerpoo. I have zero issues with people getting cockerpoos or labradoodles from good breeders but just don't come out and say "cockerpoos are x, and labradoodles are y" because it's just impossible for that to be the case.

halfsiesonapotnoodle · 03/04/2022 13:43

@certainshepherdpups

Cockapoo is the preferred spelling (not cockerpoo).
By whom? Not by anyone with a modicum of intelligence. It's derived from the CockER spaniel.
certainshepherdpups · 03/04/2022 14:48

By whom? Not by anyone with a modicum of intelligence. It's derived from the CockER spaniel.

No need to insult me, I didn't invent the word. Cockapoo has been the standard spelling since the 1960s. Check the dictionary, periodical publications, the Cockapoo Club of GB, the Cockapoo Club of America. . .

HotnSunnyRainbowRoses · 03/04/2022 15:03

@halfsiesonapotnoodle whilst logically you’d think it would indeed be ‘cockerpoo’ after the cocker spaniel, certainshepherdpups is actually correct.
Both names are equally stupid tbh.

Shazbaz49 · 19/12/2024 17:19

I have 2 cockapoos. A 4 year old male who is so chilled , loves people and other dogs and was amazing to train . My 3 year old female is slightly smaller and has a sweet calm nature. I deliberately searched for the show cocker cross after researching the breed and haven’t been disappointed. They play amazingly well together. They were bred with a Toy poodle so are on the smaller size which we wanted.

Cockapoos- from working or show cocker???
OnlyHerefortheBiscuits · 21/12/2024 08:08

fairylightsandwaxmelts · 03/04/2022 11:30

@GuyFawkesDay

Originally Cockapoos were from American Cockers X Mini poodles.

It's been adopted by all spaniel poodle crosses so it's a pointless misnomer now.

Yep, and that's the problem with using names like cockerpoo, labradoodle etc. to refer to a specific cross-breed. It just doesn't work and gives people false expectations of their dogs.

A cockerpoo is just a poodle/cocker spaniel mix. It could be any type and size of poodle and any kind of cocker spaniel, so there's absolutely no way to know what the puppies will be like.

I've said it loads on here but I walk numerous cockerpoos - if you lined them all up together, only two of them look even remotely similar, otherwise they look like totally different breeds. Their coats, colours, sizes and personalities are all completely different.

Which is obviously not a problem in itself, but it baffles me when people say "Get a cockerpoo, they're x, y and z" when it's blatantly obvious that that's not always the case.

Quite! Puppy training course, chatting on the last day and;

I thought someone's puppy was just a spaniel the whole six weeks. She's a cockerpoo.

They thought my puppy was just a poodle the whole six weeks. She's a cockerpoo.

We laughed 😂

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