Toileting

[GinPink]

Our first day with our new puppy. I was under the impression the puppy would bark when it needed the toilet. Our dog doesn't cry or bark and just poo's on the floor. Not really sure where I go from here...?

Don't you just need to take him out regularly and praise when he does the toilet outside?
Had you not looked into toilet training before you got him?

Puppies don't actually understand what 'toileting means' let alone know to bark to be let out.

Have you looked at how to toilet train? It typically involves taking them out after every play, every nap, every meal and frequently in between. Otherwise yes they will pee and poo everywhere. You eventually build up an association with toileting being outside.

Can I ask why you were under the impression they would bark to be let out?

I've booked in puppy training and was sent a fact sheet from the trainer. It says that they will bark or cry when they need the toilet and you should let them out rather than use pads.
Sounds like this is just a load of bollocks then.

Oh my fucking god @GinPink

Do you know ANYTHING about puppies at all?!

You need to train them. How do you not know this?

Just keep taking him outside, every half an hour or so, making sure you don't play with him while he is outside. Just wait, give him the chance to wee then back in again, no fuss. It can take a while or it can take just a few days, but they have no idea at all at this stage. Barking to be let out is fairly unusual in my experience. Read up about it and other things asap!

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

Oh my fucking god *@GinPink*

Do you know ANYTHING about puppies at all?!

You need to train them. How do you not know this?

Thanks for this. No I don't. Which is why I read my trainers advice. Then posted here for help when it didn't seem to fit.

I don't think I'll be posting here again, lesson learned.

Thanks for the other helpful and less angry replies though

Ok so the fact sheet should have said 'some' puppies may cry when they need to toilet. Most won't and you will have to look for things like circling but even then when they are tiny often they just stop and pee and poo.

If you take them out frequently as I said before and then praise them like mad (yes your neighbours will think you have lost the plot) they will eventually 'get it'. But expect accidents (just clean up with enzyme cleaner) and expect it to take many weeks or even months before they are totally toilet trained which means they ask to go out and hold it when inside and you aren't there to let them out.

@BiteyShark

Ok so the fact sheet should have said 'some' puppies may cry when they need to toilet. Most won't and you will have to look for things like circling but even then when they are tiny often they just stop and pee and poo.

If you take them out frequently as I said before and then praise them like mad (yes your neighbours will think you have lost the plot) they will eventually 'get it'. But expect accidents (just clean up with enzyme cleaner) and expect it to take many weeks or even months before they are totally toilet trained which means they ask to go out and hold it when inside and you aren't there to let them out.

Thank you this is really helpful. I bought the proper enzyme cleaner stuff for accidents. I just didn't realise they wouldn't bark or give a cue to go outside because the fact sheet implies they all do most of the time abs accidents are not the norm.

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

Oh my fucking god *@GinPink*

Do you know ANYTHING about puppies at all?!

You need to train them. How do you not know this?

Why are so many dog owners like this?

No I've never had a dog before. I don't understand the anger and smug twattiness when people are asking for help. Babies cry and stay awake all night but in the mummy circles we don't just say they haven't done their research and blast them for being shit.

We took out every 20 mins at first and now have a sleigh bell on a ribbon hanging off the back door handle. The dog nudges the bell when he needs to go out.

The idea is you try and avoid accidents by taking them out and building the association with toilet = outside. But accidents will happen unless you watch them 24/7 which I found impossible because you turn your back to check on the dinner and then find they peed despite you watching them like a hawk previously 😁

Also, when he goes, make a big fuss of him. Use the word you want to use for toilet too as he does it. I say 'be clean' and mark with a 'yes' when he goes.

I don't mean to be critical but didn't you do your homework before your puppy can home, so you knew the basics?

You can ask for help if you have specific issues (my pup started to snap, great help and she has stopped) but you seem clueless

The book easy peasy puppy squeazy is great

I would seriously be looking at another trainer OP if that was the guide they sent you.

You need to take them outside every 30 mins or so. You'll start to recognise their cues showing they need to go - my dog sniffs and walks in circles by the door. Reward the puppy every time they go to the toilet outside, with a treat or bit of kibble. The fact sheet sounds pretty rubbish.

There's a really good long running thread going here called something like 'puppy survival'. It helps me keep my sanity to know that everyone else is struggling with the same stuff

Training a pup to go to the toilet outside takes a LOT of effort! Our pup is nearly 8 months and has been reliably trained since 6 months. I didn't use puppy pads, at all. Just put him outside, really often, especially after eating or drinking and as soon as he woke from a nap. But I am talking at least 2 times an hour during the day. Did not tell him off for any accidents, just picked him up and put outside if we caught him doing toilet inside, and said no, toilet outside! A treat each time he went and did a pee or poo outside and lots of praise.

Sniffing the ground a lot especially with a tail held high is a toileting indicator. A dog has no reason to bark to let you know they need to wee outside until they are taught that that is what they are meant to do. You need to think of your puppy as a bit like having a 3 year old child. They take a while to learn and might still have the odd accident. This goes for social behaviours and rules you need to teach them.

It is quite concerning how unprepared you seem to be now that you have a dog. Like with anything, research in multiple places, positive reinforcement training is best. It is used by the army, police, fire service etc for a reason.

The barking or crying to go to the loo usually happens after they are toilet trained. My dogs will cry when they want to go out but that's only because they now know that they have to go out.

When they are small you can look for signs, when you have had them a while you get to know what their signs are like sniffing or whatever. There is really nothing else you can do when they are young but put them out regularly and use a cue word ours was 'go pee' but you can use whatever and then wait until they pee and praise them. Do that so many times until you feel like you are going insane and eventually they will pick it up.

I hated toilet training, its hard work and very time consuming as obviously you have to dedicate time to it every twenty or so minutes.

A dog will only bark to go to the toilet if they have been trained to. Our dog didn’t do anything when he needed the loo, not even the standard floor sniffing. I took him out every half an hour and after food, water, nap or play time. He has a bell by the door that he has been taught to ring if he wants to go outside.

Everytime he did a wee/poo outside he was rewarded and the word of choice was used, we ignored any indoor accidents and cleaned them silently.

Why are so many dog owners like this

It's not just dog owners, it's anybody who gives a crap about animals. Because lots of people buy puppies without doing research and it's a shit life for the puppy. Toilet training a puppy isn't comparable to stopping a human baby crying. You can google 100 articles in 5 seconds that will tell you how to work on this, and crucially, that it takes time. The fact that you didn't know this and were expecting the wrong thing on the very first day shows that you have done no research at all. It's horrible.

I've googled 'How to toilet train a puppy' for you, and hope that from now on, for the puppy's sake, you'll read up in advance, on how to correctly care for it/what to do in emergencies etc Is it innoculated? Is it chipped? Will it be neutered? Do you know about worming and de-fleaing? Is it registered with a vet? Where is your local 24 hour vet? These are all things you need to know about.

www.google.com/search?q=how+to+toilet+train+a+puppy&oq=how+to+toilet+tr&aqs=chrome.0.0j69i57j0l8.4954j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

@GinPink

I've booked in puppy training and was sent a fact sheet from the trainer. It says that they will bark or cry when they need the toilet and you should let them out rather than use pads. Sounds like this is just a load of bollocks then.

Yes, and if you'd done any reading at all you'd have known this. Learn from this experience, for your dog's sake.

Why are so many dog owners like this? No I've never had a dog before. I don't understand the anger and smug twattiness when people are asking for help. Babies cry and stay awake all night but in the mummy circles we don't just say they haven't done their research and blast them for being shit

Oh come on OP! Why didn't you research about how to look after puppies beforehand. So you never read ANY baby books? Googled baby info?! I fail to believe you think a puppy would know things without being trained.

It's basic stuff. Not smug twatiness as you so rudely say but utter disbelief that any could be so fucking thick.

*anyone.

I'm struggling to believe this tbh.