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Puppy Survival Thread - June/July

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MrsHerculePoirot · 27/06/2021 13:34

Discussion of all things puppy...

Old thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/the_doghouse/4234193-puppy-survival-thread-may?msgid=108567452

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Puppypuppypuppy · 28/07/2021 16:25

it's this one i think I do have a small dog though

bingohandjob · 28/07/2021 18:39

Hello, first time to this thread and wish I'd found it months ago when I was deeply feeling the puppy blues. Just turned 7 month lab, first time dog owners, no kids, husband WFH but I'm in work so out most of the day. My husband has wanted a dog forever and we moved from a house without a garden to one with and timing seemed right. It's been so reassuring reading all of your comments. I'm learning every day and to be really honest I still have crashing waves of WTF have we done and feelings of "I don't think I can do this" but then I'll spend twenty minutes in the garden training/reinforcing a DROP IT or WAIT, a wonderful off lead walk in a local safe field, or see his gorgeous face and full bum tail wag and I adore him. But bugger me, it's been, and is still, tough.

Things that work for us:

Crate training - thinking of it as his den, a safe place to chill out, grow, rest his body so it develops properly has really helped. He came to us at 8 weeks crate trained and he loves it. We had brilliant breeder that friend had got their working dogs from over the years and she gave us great tips for first few weeks that worked really well with him sleeping through the night from day 3 with us and pretty much toilet trained by the end of the first week with us. First two nights were heartbreaking hearing him cry,I slept on sofa next to his crate and just gently sushed him and put hand near him, carried him out every two hours to where we wanted him to wee/poo and said 'toilet' as I put him down and if he went (as he was doing it). Did the two hourly thing for a fortnight then three hours, then 4, now he sleeps from 9.30 to 7 every night, no accidents as of yet, good firm poos so far. We can now open the back door point to his loo area and say his command word and off he goes. If he needs to go, he sits and does a whine at the door - we've only missed this cue once so we now know his distinctive loo whine as opposed to his "I'd like to go and tear up the lawn" noises.

We mix his feeding method - mainly frozen Kongs that he loves and calm him down - food in kongs is always in his crate to reinforce it as a happy place where good things happen. As a lab he's highly food motivated but I will occasionally tuck a treat of roast chicken at the bottom or a little stinky smear of Arden Grange liver pate or Philadelphia to get him going. If he's had a busy off lead run, I'll feed him straight into a bowl as he will fill his face then crash for two hours. Early on, months 2 to 4, we'd have pots of his daily kibble allowance to hand to place a treat between his paws/into his snout when he was just calmly sitting on his bed to show that this behaviour gets rewarded and to bond by holding treat between our eyes and saying 'look at me' and when he made eye contact, immediately treat him. Taught him distracting hand "touch" to break overexcited behaviour. We learnt early on to give verbal commands no more than twice and for the basics of sit, wait, and down we say it once with a hand signal to reinforce and he picked them up really quickly.

Chewing - yak chews, ostrich bones, pizzles, various dried body parts. Ostrich least smelly and he loves them and they are long lasting. Touch unchewed wood, the only thing he's destroyed has been his bedding! Ripped up two crate mats and on his third vet bed liner. Will get him an Orvis or Tuffies bed when he's earned at as these have been recommended as good for tough chewers. Since we've made less of a fuss of stuff lying around (shoes, bags, phones) he's just not that interested and a firm, loud AH AH makes him stop in his tracks.

Enforced naps in his den - definitely! If he's up beyond two hours he has a nap, might be a little whiny at first but he ALWAYS crashes out and more often than not he takes himself to his crate to sleep. We've started leaving his crate door open in the day but always closed at night. He really likes his sleep. Mental stimulation tires him out as much as physical.

Puppy training - we did 6 weeks online in lockdown, 6 face to face, he was the youngest by several months and like the naughtiest (funniest) kid in class. Meeting other puppies/dogs was the best to come out of the experience as he just got too excited but when we did the training at home he picked them all up really quickly. Classes online worked surprisingly well so don't be put off if that's all you can book. We used McCann and Dunbar videos and going to try the Pet Gundog book now he's older.

Picking up random crap in his mouth - stones, leaves, bits of wood from our log store. Puppy trainer advised to not make a big deal of it unless he's actually eating it- we were making it into "high value treasure" by fussing and trying to take it off him. Better to just calmly offer a piece of kibble or a treat and swap it out.

Biting! Their adult teeth coming through made ALL the difference to our pup whose needle teeth led to me falling on anyone else with an older pup begging them to PLEASE TELL ME THIS ENDS and they all said it would and it did. My husband has been very, very persistent and tolerant (bitten) teaching bite inhibition and gentle mouthing (Dunbar good on this) and now I can put my hand in his mouth and he's pretty gentle and if it's too firm a sharp yelp stops him. We felt bite inhibition was important as the children he was introduced to as they will be part of his life, despite explaining very carefully beforehand that he's a pup and gets bitey so please don't wave your hands in his face as he'll think they are a toy, all waved their hands in his face cos they are kids and puppies are fun!

Handling - from day one, when he was on our lap we'd feel his joints and spine all over, fingers between claws, run hands up and down his tail, inspect his ears, open his mouth, check teeth, hold jaw open gently in case we do need to remove something from his mouth (say, for example, on his very first street walk a cigarette butt or, in the garden, a small fir cone he got lodged in his needle sharp teeth and he was so freaked out he came to me to extract it... Silly bugger). He's now happy with his poking and prodding when we need to.

Noises - from day one, vacuum cleaner, food processor, hair dryer, loud music, guitar, smoke alarm, sat outside when the bin men came, sat at bus stops to hear noisy buses, huge delivery lorries and none of them really phase him. He follows me around "helping" when I Hoover. He sheds so much that the other day I actually put the nozzle on him on very low and he loved it.

Grooming - got him in the shower very early on. He tolerates it - lickimat with Philadelphia helps. He goes nuts for towels - I think I've made them too high value for him as he doesn't look twice at the tea towels just hanging in the kitchen he now has access to as they are just there. Important lesson in dog psychology for me - the calmer and less fuss we make over things, the calmer he is. Yes, I know it seems really obvious now looking back. Thankfully, we did realise this pretty quickly and started to really play down our own entrance and exits to the house and room he's in - it was very exciting to make a big morning fuss of him but now I just quietly open his crate and he takes his cue from that. He's a big lab - cute having a 8kg pup jumping up excitedly, not at cute at 24kg!

Off lead - huge leap of faith/trust unclipping the lead but we had a very experienced friend and their dog (two year old working gun dog who our pup adores) so he basically followed her everywhere and it was wonderful. We now take him solo and he's great, ok recall, not bombproof just yet which is worrying, and he's exhausted afterwards. We play fetch, recall, off lead heel walking, swim (paddle) in river, snuffle for kibble and it's such fun. We aim to stick to 5 mins per month age to protect his joints in the future.

All seems good so far! And then....

On lead walking. The bane of my life. I've cried so many times over this. He pulls like a train and it's the one thing that is most likely to make me doubt having a dog - our puppy trainer said we have to change our mindset. City street walking your dog on lead is not really exercise for them, it's for you - getting A to B is not exciting, they want to snuffle, zig zag, run. So she advised high value treats, very short, same route, early so it's quiet, lots of U turns and stop until he comes to heel and I do this over and over and over and sometimes he's ok for about 50% of the time but generally it's AWFUL. I've had lead burns on my hand, yanked my shoulder out and just felt like I'm a terrible owner. Am I expecting too much? Any advice would be hugely appreciated. We use a harness with lead on back - are the front leading ones better? Our friends have advised a slip lead but I'm scared of choking him.

If I can help with anything please ask as we are that little further along and I feel like we got the sleep, toilet, crate training pretty well but loose lead walking is a distant dream it seems ... Also, very aware teenage tantrums are on the horizon. All in all, bearing in mind I'm very much a cat person, he's absolutely hilarious and such lovely company - I love to see him settled and happy one he's tuckered out from a busy day's puppying.

GuyFawkesDay · 28/07/2021 18:51

I've been watching Fenrir canine training vids on YouTube. They do one on heel walking that might help?

Wolfcub · 28/07/2021 19:13

Urgh Wolfpup appears to be having more witching hours than normal hours this week. I am exhausted. I do think it's because I'm not working so his routine is disrupted and when I work he just sleeps at my feet but fuck me it's hard work

ashmts · 28/07/2021 22:08

@bingohandjob We've really struggled with lead walking but my pup is coming up to 11 months now and it seems to be clicking. I tried training the lead walking and got nowhere, DP did about one session and she started listening. He's the favourite so her ultimate reward is walking close to him. Just wondering whether yours might respond better if DH does the training? We've got a Ruffwear harness with the front and back clips, they can still pull but they basically walk sideways which is at least amusing. Slip leads are aversives so I'd avoid. Our (brilliant) trainer recommended the Gentle Leader as an absolute last resort but made very clear it's a crutch and not an alternative to training. I've coped with the pulling so far so we didn't go for that, but I have a 10kg spaniel so it's a bit different. Other than that all I can think of is not giving him the opportunity to pull if possible, so drive somewhere to walk off lead unless you're specifically doing a lead training walk.

Spudlet · 29/07/2021 06:01

Slip leads are for when a dog knows how to walk on the lead, not for training them to do it. And they can pull into them anyway, believe me. I used one for Spuddog when he was trained - they’re a lot easier to get on and off one handed and save having to bend down when you’re super pregnant! And I used one when I was working him on shoots. And if he wanted to (for example, when he wanted to get to the next bit of cover on the shoot) he could pull into it like a train 😳 There’s no gadget I’ve ever found that can stop a determined dog from pulling. The only way is to reward the correct position and make the incorrect position unrewarding, by turning around and going the other way or stopping dead. I know it’s not easy though - but it can be done.

mynameisnotmichaelcaine · 29/07/2021 06:59

@bingohandjob Very similar story here - pup is five months and a working cocker. She's tiny - only just over 6kg, but I still don't enjoy the constant pulling. I can get her to heel by holding a high value treat above her head, and then throwing just in front of her after a minute or so. As she's walking nicely I say "heel". It's definitely a work in progress. Like your dog, she has a lot of off-lead time, and I think she sees the lead walking as the boring bit before the main event 🤣

Spudlet · 29/07/2021 07:01

Also, I would suggest you get a leather lead @bingohandjob - a good sturdy broad one. So much kinder on the hands than rope or nylon (I too have had lead burns!). I have an English bridle leather training lead which was quite expensive (for a dog lead) but which had lasted ten years plus and is ready for Spudpup once he’s big enough - it’s too heavy for a little puppy. But I expect it to outlast him too.

Nordstrom · 29/07/2021 08:17

When will I learn that no good can come from a quiet (awake) puppy? 😩. Thinking I'm clever getting to sit down with my morning cup of tea in peace for 5 minutes, only to find Nordpup happily tucking into the huge pile of sick she has just done 🤢

tizwozliz · 29/07/2021 08:55

We had vomit here last thing last night so didn't make for a peaceful nights sleep (me not her). Absolutely right as rain this morning.

Windy and cold here, makes me glad we got pup in the summertime when we've been able to have the patio doors open pretty much constantly. I'm not sure I could have coped with a winter born pup

MorningInspiration · 29/07/2021 08:59

@bingohandjob your post made me feel better about my WTF moments with a 12 week lab. It does sound like you did a great job and that it gets better. Smile

I am still frozen and unreasonably worrying about leaving him alone in the house. (I can leave him in another room when he is sleeping but he is a whiney boy - he hates naps whether or not I am there/him being tired). I need to do it now but paralyzed by a fear of giving him separation anxiety Sad I made a promise I will leave him today for 5 mins.

@Nordstrom your post did make me chuckle. Sometimes when I notice morningpup is really quietly chewing the sofa/rug and I have an internal battle whether or not the peace is worth the cost of it Grin

Spudlet · 29/07/2021 09:09

DS managed to do some Spudpup training this morning, from the other side of the baby gate. He still panicked if they were on the same side of the gate though, and he’s managed to hurt me by grabbing at my dressing gown and pinching me by mistake 😬 But I still feel like we’re gradually making progress, injuries notwithstanding.

Today we are going to the local playground with Spudpup. DS can go into the gated bit and Spudpup and I can hang out on the playing field. Then we may go to the coffee shop. It’s quite a nice little walk to get there, less than a mile but if it takes too long I can carry Spudpup. He was pooped last night after a ten minute meander down the track opposite our house - so many new smells!

GuyFawkesDay · 29/07/2021 09:34

Oh lordy, P day is next week and I have got the paralysis fear of "what on earth have I done?!" and that the dog is going to cause loads of problems!

Just as a heads up, there's a puppy online course with Steve Mann (the easy peasy puppy guy) for £68 with pre-registration. Think it might help calm my "I have NO IDEA what I'm doing" fears.

www.bbcmaestro.com/courses/steve-mann/dog-training?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=paidsocial&utm_campaign=EX+%7C+UK+%7C+AQ+%7C+PUR+%7C+LC+%7C+Steve+Mann&utm_content=Image+-+SM+-+15%25+-+Feature+-+2A&fbclid=IwAR3s8j7SMGPuF9cWDMek6joPWtj7-3t5EtttfAAEo6h4li7b_Z8zm3f_N98

tizwozliz · 29/07/2021 09:43

I wish I could program the wood pigeons to arrive when I want a hot drink. Nothing else holds her attention and gets her sitting still and calm in quite the same way!

ilovesushi · 29/07/2021 10:41

@MorningInspiration I never thought we would be able to leave sushipup for even a minute apart from at night but we can leave her a good hour or two now when needed. I put the radio on not too loud and leave her with a cow's tail or a frozen kong and make sure her teddy and various chew toys are around. When possible, I try not to be the last person to leave room as she can get fretful then. If you are her number 1 person, maybe better to get someone else to be the one to close the door. When we get back she is generally resting on her blanket on the sofa.

Turquoisesol · 29/07/2021 11:12

I feel we have had a breakthrough this morning with towel drying pup. Though she would never let me but she seemed to be understanding/liking it now. That’s at 6 months now. So may provide hope for anyone trying to towel dry young pups! Just need to work on showering her now!

MorningInspiration · 29/07/2021 12:25

Thanks @ilovesushi I feel very irrational when I tell people how I feel but knowing you got through it helps. Smile also the tips like don't be last out etc will deffo help. He is a proper velcro pup at the moment.

@GuyFawkesDay I would definitely watch and read as much fundamental info as possible prior to puppy. When you have puppy you'll be very tired and the pup won't wait nicely for you to read chapter 5 as he learns bite inhibition on your ankles. I know wish I did more haha. Easy peasy puppy squeezey and the puppy book written by puppy (can't remember name) are good starting points. They are also written in an approachable style.

For the online puppy training, it can be more intense/info overload than a book with the idea that it'll take a month+ to learn, depending on what "cues" (aka commands) they are teaching. I would look at the sessions and just focus on key early/pre puppy lessons to get you through the first 2 exhausting weeks (e.g.crate, socialisation, toilet training etc) and then a few basic "cues" (sit and wait). Balance this with your book. The rest can wait as you won't remember everything.

Spud great news RE DS and training! Sounds like great progress Grin

Biking0077 · 29/07/2021 12:26

We used a watering can in the back garden yesterday after a muddy walk that worked better than the hose pipe which she’s scared off and has now eaten distroyed the plastic fitting too! I thought she went quiet whilst I was on a work call then to find a badly chewed eaten hose pipe!!

MeredithMae · 29/07/2021 12:38

We're starting leaving training tomorrow. I so need this to work. I just want to be able to pop out and about without them!

H is 16 months now and has horrific separation anxiety, if we even go upstairs and shut the gate he cries and cries. Hence why we got B (12 weeks) so he'd have a companion. So far, she also cries like mad if we shut the gate and are on the other side of it!

HappyThursdays · 29/07/2021 12:43

Fleece lined leads are brilliant for pullers as it doesn't hurt your hands at all. These perfect fit ones are great. I don't walk Happy without them! They are really soft on the handle bit.

www.dog-games-shop.co.uk/dog-leads.html

Biking0077 · 29/07/2021 13:44

I had to switch to a mekuti.co.uk/ harness when pup was 6-7mths as she just kept pulling my back. She’s now 14mths and is a lot better walking to heel 80% of the time but if we approaching the park she will still pull. I love the double lead with the harness as it means I have a choice of attaching it to front & back at the same time, then when she’s calmed down I can just attach on the back like a regular lead. It gave me back my confidence walking her as I got really fed up with it at one point. Off lead she’s a dream dog mostly much happier sniffing and running but checking back in regularly for a treat. She’s 20kg now so can pull me over if she wasn’t under control.

Spudlet · 29/07/2021 15:50

Spudpup had his first proper walk off lead today Shock He was very good, although DS did run away shrieking twice Confused However, we have had a word about it and I’m hoping we will avoid that in future. We just went down a green lane to the playground, then DS had a go (introducing Spudpup to all the other children as ‘My friend Spudpup’), then DH came to join us and we popped over the road to the coffee shop. Spudpup made friends with the owners, and was very well behaved sitting still while we had coffee and a cake (much more so than DS who kept going inside for a chat. Fortunately, they know him!). Then we carried him back to the car. So we were out for a good while, but only actually walked for 20 minutes, spread over the course of the trip.

We have then managed to have DS and Spudpup in the living room together for a good while - Spudpup did some clicker training to settle on his bed. He did stage a number of sofa raids, but DS played a good game of ‘I can’t see you Spudpup’ while I removed the hound of hell… he was very good about it (although he was hidden behind the sofa cushions!). Spudpup has now been evicted from the living room as he was getting OTT and biting the furniture. But all in all I’d call that progress, of a sort.

tizwozliz · 29/07/2021 19:24

First puppy class tomorrow at 7pm, it'll be interesting to see how that works out. She's currently fast asleep...

MorningInspiration · 29/07/2021 19:35

@tizwozliz haha puppy schedules dictate life. Time to encourage napping at 6pm... a bit like daylight savings...

Morning pup fell asleep during a pricey 1-2-1 with our trainer before. We never had a lesson at 11am again. Hmm

bingohandjob · 29/07/2021 20:02

Thank you for all the helpful suggestions. I'm keen to get the perfect fit harness and think now's the right time as he's done the bulk of his growing (vet says he's 75% at full size and I understand the perfect fit are easily adjustable/get right fit interchangeable parts) and those leads look great, too.

It's really helpful, reassuring, and interesting reading through all of your experiences and insights.

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