Which pup?

[Bigbluebuttons]

Pup 1) Jug. 3/4 pug, 1/4 Jack Russel. Single pup of a house pet, no short nose or folds near eyes. Very well socialised at home with the family children and 2 other dogs. Currently 5 weeks so not quite ripe. Achingly cute.

Pup 2) KC licensed experienced breeder of schnauzers. Pup is fully tested and vaxed and chipped etc. 9 weeks old, ready to go. Crate and toilet trained. Also crazy cute.

There is a price difference but aside from that, which would you choose?
Doggy will be at home with me, we have a safe garden, and 3 KS2 kids. One of the kids is prone to allergies. He’s had a good snuffle of the jug but no reaction so far.

Which would you pick?

I’d go 2, but only if the parents had genetic testing?

I’d never choose a brachycephalic dog because I think the continued breeding of animals that suffer is a foul practice.

Thanks for your reply, Genetic testing for what?

The Jug is basically not flat faced so no cruelty there.

Mini, standard or giant schnauzer??

Miniature

Different breeds of dogs can be prone to different types of diseases and they can be very expensive in vets hills if they do go on develop one if the diseases.

Here's a screenshot of some for number two. I'd have thought if the breeder had bothered wjth genetic testing of the parents they'd have told you. Have you checked insurance quotes? Sometimes certain breeds can cost more if they're likely to need a lot of treatment.

Schnauzer as I dislike the “designer breeds”.
Also even though it has a longer snout you don’t know what it’s inherited internally.
You have more idea of what you are getting with a proper breed.
With schnauzers you would need to factor in the grooming costs every 6-8 weeks.

I don’t think the Jug is actually a designer - just a pug with a different grandad, or mongrel as they used to be known.

I love the look of schnauzers (although that alone is not a reason to choose any pedigree dog), we have quite a few where I live but they do have a tendency to yap/bark badly. I've noticed others on here say the same. That would put me off immediately. You comment on how well the "jug" has been socialised are you implying the schnauzer hasn't been well socialised? That for me would be another reason not to choose him a reputable breeder will have socialised their puppies well.
I can't comment on the "jug" as I know noting about them. I know JRs are generally very long lived and therefore pretty healthy, pugs on the other hand well what can you you say. I don't know if any of the multiple health conditions associated with them are genetic but if they are has the puppy been tested? I suspect not.
All puppies are cute first and foremost you need to choose one that fit's in with your life style/requirements/expectations, has been well socialised by a reputable breeder and if your buying a pedigree dog had had all the relevant genetic/health screens recommended by usually the breed club.

I wouldn't have a jug if you paid me! I've honestly never met a more arrogant, ignorant dog in my life 😂

Also more food OBSSESSED than a labrador. Had an op at 18 months old because he ate a drawing pin (not holding that against him obviously) however when I went to collect him from the vet the vet actually asked "would you like to keep the rest of the things we found in there?“ stones, random bits of detritus etc.

Not my dog but for want of a better explanation may as well be.

I’d never buy a pedigree dog. Hate it when dogs have been breed to look a certain way.

I'd go for the miniature schnauzer as the breeders are licensed and registered, obviously not a guarantee but better than not. Also I think schnauzers are less likely to cause allergen flare ups.

Gosh such mixed views! Argh!

I wouldn't go for either tbh. It sounds like you're in a position of having to make a decision when the puppies are almost ready to go home (which is odd in itself given current demand) so would be making a decision under pressure. Your question about what genetic testing concerned me. Sounds like you'd benefit from taking a breath and doing some research before you commit to anything. Particularly with a child prone to allergy. I'd avoid cross-breeds cos you don't know what the coat etc might end up like, and make sure your child has spent plenty time around the breed you choose before you get one.

I know someone who breeds poodles which many assume are good for those with allergies she will only sell a puppy to those allergic to dogs after three or four 2 hour visits/contact with her or someone else’s poodles because she says just because a dog is non shedding it doesn’t mean you won’t be allergic to it. I think aim correct I’m thinking it’s the saliva not the individual hairs that cause an allergic response.

Neither.

& you need to get a better understanding of what you need to look for, before getting a puppy.

@Aria20

I'd go for the miniature schnauzer as the breeders are licensed and registered, obviously not a guarantee but better than not. Also I think schnauzers are less likely to cause allergen flare ups.

Well, that depends what they're licensed for. If they are a small show kennel with a licence, great. If they're licensed for upwards of 10 bitches of several breeds, they are a puppy farm.

Which is it, OP? You should be able to get details of their licence from their issuing council, ask them to give you the licence number so you can check.

(The fact that the Schnauzer is fully vaccinated at 9 weeks makes me suspect the latter, to be honest. I wouldn't consider any pup to be fully vaccinated at 9 weeks, when I believe there is a risk of maternal antibodies still being present.)

Neither of them.

The schnauzer breeder breeds other dogs too. They appear well established but does that make them a puppy farm? I don’t think it will have had the second set of jabs but they’re Mac tested.

@Bigbluebuttons

The schnauzer breeder breeds other dogs too. They appear well established but does that make them a puppy farm? I don’t think it will have had the second set of jabs but they’re Mac tested.

As above, you need to check their licence number with their local authority.

Puppy farms are a cruel and vile business, and they only exist because people don't do their research. The above is a simple check, that will take you just one phone call or email.

Ok I’ve got the license number, what do I do with it? The ad says “ BOTH PARENTS DNA CLEAR OF MAC
BVA/KC/ISDS EYE CLEAR CERTIFICATES
STRICTLY PET HOMES ONLY”

The first one... it’s not just the nose length that determines whether there are breathing issues, it’s things like nostril shape, what the internal soft tissue is like... also pugs and JRTs are very different to each other and there’s no way of knowing which traits you’d get from each. You’d think 3/4 pug would make it puglike, but that’s not how it works you could end up with a JRT personality in a pug body, which is not good.

The second, yeah that sounds like a puppy farm tbh, might not be an appalling one, but still not the best place to get a dog from.

Also... why are you choosing between those two? Because they’re not similar, what is it that you’re actually after?

@Bigbluebuttons

Ok I’ve got the license number, what do I do with it? The ad says “ BOTH PARENTS DNA CLEAR OF MAC BVA/KC/ISDS EYE CLEAR CERTIFICATES STRICTLY PET HOMES ONLY”

Do they have a website which shows their licensing authority? If not, you can try Googling with postcode and licence number. Otherwise, just ask them which authority it's with.

Why are they 'strictly pet homes only' - are the pups KC registered?

Is it this advert?

www.freeads.co.uk/uk/buy-sell/pets/dogs/miniature-schnauzer/36988252/5-licensed-ready-kc-tiny-schnauzer-boy-bvamac-clear/view

£3k for a puppy!!