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Just don’t know what to do….spinning/tail chasing collie pup…..

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HornsOfADilemma01 · 02/03/2021 14:04

Hi Mumsnetters

I’m hoping that some clever person on here might have some experience of a similar problem, or have some tips/advice, because we’re fast running out of ways to help our gorgeous boy. Apologies in advance, this is long because I wanted to cover all bases.

So, a bit of background; DPup lives with me, my DP, a 4 year old (slightly spoiled) ShihPoo (shih tzu/poodle cross), and two lazy, friendly, large breed house cats. DP & I are experienced dog owners, having had a number of dogs in the past. Our old collie died (aged 14) early 2020 and he left a big hole in our lives. My DP, who has some physical limitations, works alone in his own shop and having a large-ish dog on the premises gives him security and peace of mind (a little, yappy ShihPoo just doesn’t really have the same effect!).

With all that in mind, we considered a number of options to fill the hole in our lives left by our old collie. We initially wanted to re-home a rescue, so we contacted loads of rescue organisations across the country with no luck (most didn’t reply, others said no rehoming was taking place due to COVID). After thinking long and hard, the decision was made to purchase a puppy rather than try to continue in vain to find a suitable rescue dog.

We spent the summer looking for a suitable puppy, avoiding what were obviously back yard breeders and puppy farms, but it proved incredibly difficult. Puppies were being snapped up quickly, even for stupidly inflated prices. Eventually, we found DPup, a smooth coated male collie, and there followed lengthy email, phone & video conversations with the breeder. We saw photos of the father (very distinctive markings which our pup shares), and DPup was still with his mother and litter mates in what looked to be a private home, so it all seemed legit and we decided to purchase him.

When we collected DPup, all was not as ‘legit’ as it had originally seemed….it was definitely a private home, the mother was there and was clearly a family pet, but the puppies (about 8 of them) were brought in from a filthy kennel/pen outside and it was all very chaotic with the pups peeing, pooing and vomiting all over the place/each other, squabbling, yelping, jumping all over each other, etc. The pup we’d reserved was the quietest of the litter, but still alert, bright & healthy looking, and we thought this was a good sign in that he’d be a relatively laid back puppy. The breeder couldn’t find DPup’s microchip with her scanner (she found the chips in the other puppies), and she confessed that he hadn’t actually had his first vaccines (she’d originally had told us he had). We were annoyed, and almost ready to walk away without DPup, but there were (literally) people queuing outside to buy the puppies and we felt very pressured after so long searching for the right puppy.

So DPup is now approx 6 months old. He’s adorable with the sweetest nature and he’s super smart; he slept through the night from day 2 (from 11pm – 7:30am), he was house-trained after about a week (he pees and poos on command), he’s never really chewed anything he shouldn’t, he doesn’t mouth/nip, he learned sit/wait/leave/down very quickly, he knows loads of words, and he has good recall (although this isn’t 100% reliable). He’s walked for about an hour/day on a long lead, sometimes two walks/day. He’s never been left alone, other than overnight, when he sleeps in his crate in the kitchen next to our other dog. The other dog doesn’t really seem to like DPup (there’s occasionally teeth baring and warning body language when DPup tries to play, etc), but he tolerates him most of the time. Despite lockdown, DPup is quite well socialised, we expose him to new experiences wherever possible and he meets other dogs/puppies/people on a regular basis.

However, like many collies, he’s very highly strung, anxious, fearful and a total stress-head! About 6 weeks ago, he started to chase his tail and this quickly escalated into an obsessive/compulsive behaviour. We have no idea what first triggered the behaviour, it seemed to start completely out of the blue. He’ll spin frantically until he runs out of energy or he bumps into an immovable object. He seems to do it more when he’s stressed/tired/excited.

He’s very noise sensitive (which I understand is common in collies). So far, we’ve successfully desensitised him to a lot of previously scary (for him) noises, but he still has a real problem with phones (the tinny voice on the other end of the line) and any kind of raised voice (including laughter); these really trigger his spinning and we’ve so far failed to desensitise him to these.

However, whilst initially very scared, anxious and reactive, he does get used to most new things quite quickly with reassurance and positive reinforcement. The way he comes to terms happily/quickly with some things and is absolutely terrified of others completely baffles us, to be honest!

So, back to the main problem. The spinning. We’ve had him checked by the vet three times so far (in addition to health checks at both vaccine appointments). We’re not sure exactly how much of an examination he’s had due to the vet not letting us go in to the consulting room (COVID), but every check-up has resulted in a clean bill of health and a referral to a dog behaviourist. We’ve now consulted with three different dog behaviourists; two via telephone/zoom and one via a face-to-face session (an hour). All three suggested different ways to remedy the problem. We’ve also done loads of reading/research on how to stop the behaviour, but there are so many different methods out there that our brains are fried!

All of the behaviourists have, however, agreed that we really must nip this behaviour in the bud, as the longer is goes on the more entrenched it will become. We’ve been told; (by behaviourist one) to make a sudden noise to interrupt him when he starts spinning, but this seems to make him more anxious, (by behaviourist two) to distract him with a toy, but this is impossible because he goes into a trance-like state when spinning, and (by behaviourist three) to spray water at him to interrupt the spinning Hmm . However, none of these methods sit well with me; he’s not being “naughty”, he’s a stressed, anxious dog who’s dealing with things the only way he knows how. No right-minded person would punish a child with tics, or one who sucks their thumb, and – to me – this is similar.

We’ve also read various approaches online; we should ignore the behaviour and give positive reinforcement when it stops (this doesn’t work as he only stops when he bumps into something or he’s exhausted) / we should physically prevent him from reaching his tail by using, for example, a buster collar / we should use clicker training (but this seems to train him to spin even more!) / we should get him onto Prozac / we should have him PTS.

He’s off to the vets again today, this time for a blood test. We ideally would like him checked for levels of serotonin and dopamine (apparently an imbalance can lead to this kind of compulsive behaviour), but the test costs c.£1200. We simply can’t afford that at the moment (DP’s shop is closed as non-essential and I’m on a rubbish salary).

One thing that may be relevant is that DPup has major FOMO; he’s “on” all the time, rarely settles and doesn’t really nap (perhaps an hour a day, tops). He also never really settles down with a chew/antler/lick mat/stuffed Kong; he’ll have a lick/chew and then pace around, then go back for a chew, then pace again, and on and on. This inability to settle/be calm is something that we’re aware is likely a major contributing factor to the anxiety/spinning, but we’re finding it impossible to improve the situation. DPup also seems to have a sensitive stomach, often goes off his food for no apparent reason, has intermittent diarrhoea…..and the worst flatulence ever! We’re moving him onto a raw food diet at the moment, to see if he might have some kind of food allergy/intolerance.

Can anyone suggest the best way to help us to help our poor, stressed DPup? We’re at the end of our tether, and it’s fraying fast! To watch him spinning and chasing his tail is so upsetting and distressing, even more so because we don’t seem able to help him in any way.

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catsrus · 03/03/2021 14:26

So, smart dog that learn quickly - the danger in addressing the spinning is that you reinforce it by rewarding the stopping. So dog learns "stopping gets reward", but has to spin in order to be told to stop and get reward.

I see from the video that he's not been taught a heel or "close" command. Rather than struggle with that atm why not teach him the "touch" command. Get him to touch the middle of your left palm while your hand is down by your side. Start by holding food in the hand, say "touch" when he makes contact and give the food. What you want to establish is a positive correlation between being close to your left side and food rewards. While ever he's focussed on the hand and food he won't spin. It's important that you don't just use the touch command when he's spinning or he will think he has to spin to get you to give it.

One of mine was a pain to teach recall, now cracked it (he's two) but this morning he simply stood still while we all walked on across the field, little bugger was wanting me to call him and then reward - I could see his thought processes 😏

The disadvantage of smart dogs is that they learn how to manipulate and train YOU

With my "work in progress" I found a very nice soft but firm dehydrated food (Innocent pet food) and cut his meal time food in half. The other half of his intake was given as rewards using this food. I only use it for rewards and my lot will do anything for it.

My priority for him was recall because I walk three dogs, one reactive on lead, so the other two have to be reliable off lead. Your priority when out walking has to be calm and close to you, no spinning.

In the house you might want to try a puzzle feeder, make him have to do some brain work for every meal. Brain work really does tire them out.

HornsOfADilemma01 · 03/03/2021 19:09

@PollyRoulson I won't be giving out any names on a public forum, nor via PM. I don;t think that's fair. I'm giving the behaviourists we saw the benefit of the doubt....with the best will in the world, no-one is able to give a full assessment via a zoom call, it's far from ideal. The behjaviourists can only really know what we tell them, and not having the benefit of F2F means that they can't pick up on any body language/nuances/possible triggers.

All said that we need to stop the behaviour ASAP to stop it becoming more entrenched. All recommended to hold of on neutering as long as possible. One said to stop the spinning by making a noise to jolt him out of his trance. One said to distract him, which works when he's half-heartedly spinning, but no longer works when he starts spinning like fury. One said to spray water Hmm and we ignored that advice.

The positive interrupter approach was the result of online research (we used the word "tail" in a sing-song voice). This worked for a while, but then stopped working.

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puppychaos · 03/03/2021 19:22

Our 7mo puppy was similarly bonkers to a point that everyone else was too.

We used a home remedy of chamomile in food on the advice of a herbal vet doctor (yes it's legit). Not much, just a wee bit, over a few days. She is a lot less anxious now.

OytheBumbler · 03/03/2021 19:27

Would it work to teach him a 'long stay'?

Basically sitting at your feet on a lead, occasionally treating and reinforcing with command word. Your dp could perhaps do this while sitting in the closed shop. It's really hard for dogs to learn, especially collies but once mastered they can stay for ages.

I had to teach this to mine when we took him to pubs etc on holiday.

You have to build it up from really short intervals - 2-3 minutes then longer. It would force him to settle down while engaging his brain.

HornsOfADilemma01 · 03/03/2021 19:30

@PollyRoulson

Your video is heartbreaking It's even sadder to see in person, the stress and anxiety seems to radiate off him, you can see it in his face.

Has the vet seen the videos? Yes, a couple of the vets at the practice have now seen the videos.

I would want thyroid check I guess done on bloods already? The vet yesterday advised against taking bloods, but i can see how a thyroid test might be useful. I know an overactive thyroid can cause anxiety and hyperactivity in humans, i guess the same could follow for dogs.

Neurological check What would a neurological check entail? DPup has been seen 4 times now, specifically because of this problem (in addition to the 2 pre-vaccine health checks, which would have been very generalised checks). As i mentioned before, we're not allowed to accompany DPup into the consultation room (COVID) so we have no real idea what kind of checks are actually being done.

You do need to get in a good behaviourist asap it may be that medication is required DPup has started on Trazodone and valerian today. I would have thought the valerian would have had an immediate effect (he;s worse today than ever) but i appreciate that the Tazodone will take some time to have any impact. Vet has said to give it 10 days and see how DPup is, and take it from there.

You need to rule out thyroid, liver issues, kidney issues and toxin build up - blood tests will tell you loads and loads. Are you in the UK? Yes, I'm in the UK, West Midlands.

I am really surprised that the APBC behavourists gave any advice without full bloods None of the behaviourists have so far even mentioned bloods. They've all suggested a vet check (which we've done, a number of times) but not specifically bloods.

This is extremely serious and will not go away without professional help We're aware of how serious this is. DP has been chatting to a vet who posts on one of the collie forums (well, we've been told he's a vet) and he;s had to PTS a couple of collies in who these OCD-type behaviours are impacting negatively on their quality of life.

I am not happy to give any advice but on a basic level this may help

Do not try to stop the behaviour but train in different behaviour instead We know we need to do this, but finding a way to do so is our problem! .

So I would be training a chin rest or nose target (from choice chin rest is more calming) - the dog rests his head on your hand. (he can not be spinning in circles if he has his head in your hands) Funnily enough, I've been teaching DPup the "touch" command for some time now. He's really good at touching my hand on command, and if he's only spinning gently then he'll respond to "touch"....when he's zoned out and spinning, then i have no chance of even getting him to hear the command.

I would also train a settle which is a down but relaxed onto one hip. A traditional down for a collie is actually a very stimulation position - think of when they are herding sheep This makes sense, but we have no idea how to train him to settle on his side/on his hip. The normal methods don't work with DPup because he's so "on the go" all the time. He'll "down" into the traditional posture, but the slightest movement from us and he leaps to his feet. He's like a coiled spring.

This is not going to go away with advice from people on facebook or the internet - you need to get bloods, get professional help asap We've been trying to get bloods and to get professional help. We're having a zoom call with a local, veterinary behaviourist tomorrow, just an intriduction/assessment of the problem.

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HornsOfADilemma01 · 03/03/2021 19:32

@AvocadosBeforeMortgages

Just realised there was a second page and RTFT 🙄 Ditto more of what *@PollyRoulson* said.

Yup, it's certainly been stressful! We're willing to explore any suggestions (other than if it's a behaviourist who charges £900/hour or a blood test that costs upwards of £1200 shock).

Has someone actually quoted you £900 an hour? Shock This is the behaviourist I went to - she is APBC qualified, and charges £95 for a 1.5 hour zoom behaviour consultation with written follow up. She also does in person work within 100 miles of her in SW Wales. She was very good with DDog.

www.jenninellist.co.uk/price-list

Have you checked DPup's insurance? Some, including PetPlan, have coverage for behaviour issues.

Yep, we were quoted more than £900/hour by one man (i can;t remember his name, we skimmed quickly past him!)

I'll have a look at that website, many thanks for the link.

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PollyRoulson · 03/03/2021 19:36

I will not post again but you are wrong in so many ways.

Everything you say about the behaviourist is incorrect. Behaviourists have worked remotely for years. Zoom has been fab for them, they can see the behaviour in the home or the environment without influencing the dog by having other people present. Zoom is ideal for this work.

My only concern is the welfare of the dog and I stand by what I say the only way to help is vet check with blood test (which will not cost £1,200!) and qualified help - the longer you leave it the more it will cost you and the more your dog will suffer.

The one thing from your video is that your dog does respond when in a spin so basic focus work, correct lead management and walking with rewards will help. Front d ring harness will help prevent spinning BUT your dog will still be left with the same emotions and they need to be addressed. Even without the spinning the video showed an extremely stressed dog, hyper vigilance, ears back tail low, whale eyes.

Stop the spinning and not deal with the emotion you will just have another OCD behaviour to deal with.

I wish you well and hope your dog gets the help he needs

HornsOfADilemma01 · 03/03/2021 19:37

@billybagpuss

So with the clicker train, you have managed to stop him spinning albeit for a moment. This is something to work on just increasing the time. Don’t give up on it, you’ve made a start.

I had a look at the YouTube clip, have you ever done the circle of calm? Literally just get two points about 10 m apart and walk forward and back , ridiculously slowly between the two. What you want is for eventually he will get so bloody bored of it he will start to focus on you and walk properly, the first time I did this with billypup it took about 30 minutes. You don’t want to do it anywhere too exciting or it won’t work at all. When he focuses then start to throw some behaviours in.

I’m going to pm you the details of one of the ladies I use, we’re not too far away from you but not exactly around the corner either.

Yes, with the clicker training he does stop spinning very briefly, but as the spinning gets more and more furious, he sort of zones out and doesn't hear the interrupter word. Then I'm tempted to say the interrupter word louder and louder, and it all gets out of hand...he responds to the louder interrupter word but, ultimately, he gets more anxious and the spinning gets more intense. It's a massive vicious circle.

No, I've never heard of the circle of calm, but it definitely sounds like a plan for his pulling/spinning on walks.

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HornsOfADilemma01 · 03/03/2021 19:48

To Castrus
the danger in addressing the spinning is that you reinforce it by rewarding the stopping. So dog learns "stopping gets reward", but has to spin in order to be told to stop and get reward this is exactly what happens. He doesn't associate the 'stop' with the reward, he associates the whole chain of events that led up to the 'stop' with the reward. It's like he's learning a routine...spin/stop/reward.

I see from the video that he's not been taught a heel or "close" command No. he's not been taught that. Unfortunately, my DP has a physical condition which means he can't walk far on hard surfaces, so all of DPups walking has been done in a park. Also, i slipped a disc in my neck recently, so I can;t cope with a strong, pulling puppy. That all means that he;s mainly been on a long lead, so heel and close commands have been neglected.

Rather than struggle with that atm why not teach him the "touch" command Coincidentally, I've been teaching him the "touch" command for some time now, he's very good at it. It doesn't work for the spinning though as, when he's fixated on the spinning, he blanks out any and all commands, no matter how well established they are.

One of mine was a pain to teach recall DPup is actually quite good with his recall, he's about 80% reliable. Your dog sounds very smart Smile

The disadvantage of smart dogs is that they learn how to manipulate and train YOU Yep.....

In the house you might want to try a puzzle feeder, make him have to do some brain work for every meal. Brain work really does tire them out He has a puzzle feeder, brain training games, i play hide and seek with him, hunt the treat, all sorts of games where he needs to concentrate. He's always super focussed....but then, as soon as the game stops, he resumes his spinning.

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HornsOfADilemma01 · 03/03/2021 19:50

@puppychaos

Our 7mo puppy was similarly bonkers to a point that everyone else was too.

We used a home remedy of chamomile in food on the advice of a herbal vet doctor (yes it's legit). Not much, just a wee bit, over a few days. She is a lot less anxious now.

You have my complete sympathies! What kind of chamomile did you use? Chamomile tea, or dried herb? We'll try anything!
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HornsOfADilemma01 · 03/03/2021 19:53

@OytheBumbler

Would it work to teach him a 'long stay'?

Basically sitting at your feet on a lead, occasionally treating and reinforcing with command word. Your dp could perhaps do this while sitting in the closed shop. It's really hard for dogs to learn, especially collies but once mastered they can stay for ages.

I had to teach this to mine when we took him to pubs etc on holiday.

You have to build it up from really short intervals - 2-3 minutes then longer. It would force him to settle down while engaging his brain.

He's excellent at the "stay" and "leave" command and, weirdly, he has fantastic impulse control. We can put his favourite toy right in front of his nose and tell him to leave and he will until we tell him "okay".
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puppychaos · 03/03/2021 20:04

@HornsOfADilemma01 dried herb. It's perfectly safe for them as long as it's not regular after a few days but I would recommend going to a herbal vets to have a chat before definitely going for it.

puppychaos · 03/03/2021 20:04

@HornsOfADilemma01 she went from being super anxious all the time and aggressive to a normal collie level of bounciness

puppychaos · 03/03/2021 20:05

@HornsOfADilemma01 also sorry not to spam you but remember that this age is particularly tough anyway so that will be mixed in. It gets better!

HornsOfADilemma01 · 03/03/2021 20:06

@PollyRoulson

I will not post again but you are wrong in so many ways.

Everything you say about the behaviourist is incorrect. Behaviourists have worked remotely for years. Zoom has been fab for them, they can see the behaviour in the home or the environment without influencing the dog by having other people present. Zoom is ideal for this work.

My only concern is the welfare of the dog and I stand by what I say the only way to help is vet check with blood test (which will not cost £1,200!) and qualified help - the longer you leave it the more it will cost you and the more your dog will suffer.

The one thing from your video is that your dog does respond when in a spin so basic focus work, correct lead management and walking with rewards will help. Front d ring harness will help prevent spinning BUT your dog will still be left with the same emotions and they need to be addressed. Even without the spinning the video showed an extremely stressed dog, hyper vigilance, ears back tail low, whale eyes.

Stop the spinning and not deal with the emotion you will just have another OCD behaviour to deal with.

I wish you well and hope your dog gets the help he needs

@PollyRoulson, I'm here for help and I'm taking all of the advice, no matter how kindly it's delivered (or not!) on board. The welfare of my DPup is my only concern as well.

I can only speak from my own experience of the zoom consultations; they simply haven't been suitable for seeing the true extent of the behaviour and picking up on any triggers (our other dog's aggressive body language, for example, that can't be picked up on a zoom).

DP took DPup for a basic blood test yesterday, as I've already mentioned, and the vet said it was pointless. My DP isn't a vet, he took the vets advice. I accept that it will still be valuable to have a blood test done and we will pursue that ASAP. The blood test that DP had discussed with the vet before the appointment was specifically to check serotonin and dopamine levels; over the phone, before yesterday's appointment, DP was quoted £1200+. When DP attended the appointment, the vet revised that quote to £5k (yep, you read that right, c£5k).

We don't intend to leave this to get worse, we're trying to address it now to help our poor DPup. We're well aware he's stressed (I think i might have mentioned it once or twice in my posts Hmm). We know he's hyper vigilant (doesn't have an "off" switch). We're aware that his body language is that of a deeply distressed dog (again, I've mentioned this earlier).

But the question is...how do we deal with the emotion? Although I guess that's a rhetorical question, as you've mentioned you won't be posting again.

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HornsOfADilemma01 · 03/03/2021 20:07

[quote puppychaos]@HornsOfADilemma01 dried herb. It's perfectly safe for them as long as it's not regular after a few days but I would recommend going to a herbal vets to have a chat before definitely going for it. [/quote]
Fab, thank you. I'll look into that Smile

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HornsOfADilemma01 · 03/03/2021 20:08

[quote puppychaos]@HornsOfADilemma01 also sorry not to spam you but remember that this age is particularly tough anyway so that will be mixed in. It gets better![/quote]
Teenagers, eh? Smile

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puppychaos · 03/03/2021 20:10

@HornsOfADilemma01 Quite! Good luck with the herbs :-)

StormBaby · 03/03/2021 20:11

I knew a staffy that had this and they had to amputate his tail to stop him 😥

RiaRoth · 03/03/2021 20:41

@StormBaby

I knew a staffy that had this and they had to amputate his tail to stop him 😥
^ and this is why you should not get advice off the internet.

I used an APBC behavourist last month. Cost £250 for a three hour consultation over zoom and follow up report. I have a zoom session in a month.

Blood test cost me £120.00 for everything so no idea why you are being quoted thousands that is just not the case.

Consultation was fantastic and we are seeing major changes already

I can not recomment APDC enough worth every penny for a happy relaxed dog. I now know why he is doing the behaviour what we can do to help. So many smaller issues have now also completely disappeared as he relaxes with simple but effective methods.

Veterinari · 03/03/2021 21:35

What @RiaRoth said

Removing bits of an animal's anatomy doesn't fix behaviour problems. Please seek professional advice

RiaRoth · 03/03/2021 21:53

@Veterinari can you confirm that a blood test will not cost five thousand pounds?

yaboo · 03/03/2021 22:10

hmm... have to say, I'm not a vet, but am interested to see if this could be some kind of vestibular disease?

It's usually a disease of old dogs, (idiopathic) but young 'uns can have it too.

I'm wondering because of the circling, the drooling, the motion sickness symptoms you've described above.

Dogs basically get a kind of vertigo, and this manifests in many different ways. Some dogs behaviours are barely noticeable, (twitchy eyes, looking from side to side, etc), some dogs seem like they're drunk, staggering, etc, some have almost constant head tilting, they do alligator rolling, and some are so badly effected they can't get up out their beds.

Symptoms can include...

motion sickness symptoms, such as they drool and vomit in cars,
they run around in circles,
they stand with wide than usual gaits,
they have difficulty picking things up off the floor, etc.

Not all dogs who have vestibular disease have the same symptom profile, some dogs are merely mildly affected or may just have one or two symptoms, and these symptoms can be the result of many different types of issue, such as...

inner ear infections, thyroid level issues, thiamine deficiency, adrenal hormone levels being too high, stroke, brain abnormalities, tumours, ingestion of the artificial sweetener Xylitol, the after-effect of medications used to sedate dogs for transportation or antibiotics given to dogs that they're allergic to, such as metronizadole, streptomycin, gentomicin, to name but a few.

I'm not a vet, just... reading your story made me think... hmmm...

I'm with the poster who's surprised the behaviourists are not concerned enough to point any of this out, as behaviour modification training will not work with a dog with vestibular issues, and I'm baffled by the vet suggesting that a blood test is pointless -- that would at least rule out thyroid or other hormonal issues.

If it's the result of some kind of inner ear issue, the problem usually resolves itself in a few days/week's time.

The more serious the issue, the longer the symptoms.

Of course, this behaviour may well just be psychological, but conversely, it might not be.

If it is vestibular disease, there is numerous medications they can take, for the motion sickness, and to treat the underlying cause, if there is one.

this article spells it out a bit better than I can...
animalwellnessmagazine.com/vestibular-disease/

I don't mean to freak you out, or such, and I'm sure you're getting top class advice, but... hmmm... just something to think about...

Veterinari · 03/03/2021 22:18

[quote RiaRoth]@Veterinari can you confirm that a blood test will not cost five thousand pounds?[/quote]
I can indeed!
No idea what you're looking for in a blood test with some of the prices quoted on this thread!

Maybe a full neuro work up and MRI... but not a blood test

Scattyhattie · 03/03/2021 22:45

Tom of Absolute Dogs is a vet behaviourist
www.facebook.com/behavet/

No idea what the £1200 blood test involves. My dog has one every 6months to check functions as on long term meds, £120

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