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Cockapoo or Golden Retriever?

113 replies

BaconAndAvocado · 10/02/2020 19:27

Considering getting a dog for the first time and these two breeds appeal.

Any thoughts?

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Likethebattle · 11/02/2020 21:46

Had a golden retriever as a child. You will. We’d to hoover every day and every item of clothing will be covered in pooch fur. They just shed all the time. Mine liked being brushed though. For a supposedly smart dog she was as thick as two short planks and never retrieved anything. If you threw something she’d ignore it look at you as if to say ‘you threw it, you get it!’ Always wanted something to carry though that she’d drop ten yards later. She was amazing, kind, beautiful and my best friend. I miss my fleabag and would welcome another golden in a heartbeat.

BaconAndAvocado · 11/02/2020 21:46

Hmm, sounds like a beagle may not be for us.

Back to the research.

Has anyone had any contact with the Dog's Trust charity? A friend adopted a dog from them and couldn't speak highly enough of their expertise and help.

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adaline · 11/02/2020 21:49

Hi @BaconAndAvocado we have a beagle!

He is the most loving dog but he was a bugger to train when he was younger. That said, he's very food orientated and learns tricks very easily. He can do pretty much anything asked of him IF there's nothing to distract him Grin

He's two on Friday and he's absolutely fantastic now. He gets one walk a day of around 75 minutes or so, and then he sleeps the day away until dinner, eats, has a cuddle and goes back to sleep! I read a lot of horror stories about them but don't really relate to any of them.

He does pull a bit on the lead (especially when he gets a scent) and he is quite vocal but he does understand "quiet" (eventually!). They get a very negative rap on MN but I think they're fantastic!

Feel free to PM me if you want anymore information!

ComeTheFuck0nBridget · 11/02/2020 21:55

I have some experience of both, being close to people with both breeds. I love GR and would love to have one myself but don't because of the hair issue, and we love to go walking and like PPs have said, they are mud magnets.

I really wouldn't recommend cockapoos though. Yes, they are very cute as puppies but i wouldn't say they have good natures to be honest, the ones I know are hyperactive to a fault and not good with strangers or unfamiliar dogs. They are also very difficult to fully toilet train.

kazza446 · 11/02/2020 22:03

I’ve got a cockapoo. Absolutely love him. He’s completely nuts but a perfect family pet. He’s great with our children, doesn’t shed hair (2 asthmatic children) and is really tolerant of them. Likes to be walked but no more than any other dogs. We can leave him alone and he doesn’t destroy things. he is quite a happy chappy.

Squirrelpeanutbutter · 11/02/2020 22:03

Definitely get a retriever but do plenty of groundwork. You need to visit the breeder to see the mum, before the pups are born. Any decent breeder will want this anyway. You then get to see how the mother is with visitors, how hairy, boisterous, noisy, etc.

Generally, the breed is biddable, loving and good with children. Ours is all of these things in spades. I wouldn’t have any other breed now @BaconAndAvocado.

CakeAndGin · 11/02/2020 22:17

We have a cockapoo. I know she’s a trendy breed and I often refer to her as a ‘designer mongrel’.

In finding a breeder, we made sure to get a F1 breed, that is a litter from a poodle and spaniel, rather than a cockapoo and cockapoo/spaniel/poodle. We also made sure that the breeder had health checked the dogs, poodles and spaniels both need health checks (which depends on the breed and variant of that breed) and you need to see the certificates. We also went with a breeder who owned both the mum and dad, so we met both mum and dad on multiple occasions and could see/ask about their temperaments.

The first thing to know is that there is a lot of variation in size, personality, work drive, prey drive, intelligence, eagerness to please... in cockapoos, depending on the spaniel and poodle. Ours, her mum is a working cocker spaniel and her dad is a standard poodle. This makes her larger than some cockapoos, she’s about 15kgs (some cockapoos are only 5kgs). She has traits of both breeds, some good and some bad. She’s very clever but with that comes attitude (which I love) and manipulation when she was a puppy. She’s a dog very interested in sniffing and is very spanielly on a walk, head down, sniffing and kicking her ears as she walks.

She needs a lot of grooming. DH is currently brushing her now. There’s a pile of dirt and fur on the floor that will need hoovering after he’s done. She needs brushing at 1-2 times per week, depending on where she goes walking and how long her coat is. We have a number of grooming products to stop her fur getting matted. She has a box of towels, sprays, conditioners and brushes. You need to start with grooming from a puppy and cover the whole of her - including feet, behind ears and tail (the places they won’t like being brushed).

Ours is very intelligent but as I said, this manifested as manipulation from about 6-18 months. Getting her to do anything that she didn’t want to do was so hard, she quite often would just choose not to do something we said even though she knew how to do it. She’s had a lot of training and we’ve worked really hard at training day to day, not just during training sessions. Some of that is teenage rebellion and some of it is the mix in her personality. We know several other cockapoos and none are as manipulative as she was. It comes down to the individual dog, as with any breed. With any breed, if you put the work in, you will get a fantastic dog. Our dog is so well-behaved now. She’s the best behaved dog I know from our friends and family and she’s one of the best at our training. 99% of the time she is the best behaved dog when we’re out on a walk in the country park. This isn’t just us not seeing the negative in our dog, her good behaviour is remarked on by dog and non-dog owners quite frequently, she’s also been temperament assessed for a volunteering role we do. Our friends with labs and cocker spaniels have a lot more issues with their dogs than we do with our cockapoo. Our family and friends with cockapoos did not have as a hard time training as we did. All dogs are unique and the problems they present are unique.

Yes, there are a lot of poorly trained cockapoos out there. It’s hard to understand if this Purely as a result of the breed, as they vary so much. Or if, because they are trendy dogs people are getting them thinking they are easy and not willing to train their dog to the required level. If the trendy dog of the moment was a toy poodle, we’d still be seeing these issues just with a different breed.

For balance, we got a GR when I was 15. In hindsight, she came from a puppy farm. She had a number of health problems including problems with her hips and legs. She also needed a lot of grooming. The GR would often get lugs in her fur when she’d run through mud and it had matted with the fur. The GR fur is very thick so it takes a while to get through it. There is also a lot of shedding with a GR, there will fur everywhere and you’ll need a decent hoover. One thing to consider with a GR (or any large breed) is that when the dog is older it will likely need helping being lifted into and out of the car, if they are sick they may need carrying from the car to the vets (or worse from half way round your walk to your home) - so in 10-15 years do you expect to be fit enough to lift a 20kg+ dog. Our GR was also hard to train, she was stubborn and had selective deafness. My mum was pulling her hair out trying to train the GR between 6-24 months. Even as an older dog, the GR would have naughty days when she just wouldn’t listen. One example, GR was good at recall, we’d taken her to the beach and were trying to leave to go home. GR had decided she didn’t want to go yet so ran off, ignoring her commands. She went over to a couple sat on the beach and went and sat with them (she’d been swimming in the sea and sat herself on the towel between the couple). When we got to the GR and tried to get her away from the couple and their now dirty towel, she flopped down on the man’s lap and made herself a dead weight. This GR was well trained and she was older so should have been calmer but still had her moments of being an utter dick.

All puppies are going to be dicks at some point. Most puppies will be dicks several times throughout their lives. All puppies, regardless of breed, need to be trained consistently and at least until they are out of their teenage rebellion. Most breeds are subject to health conditions and so regardless of the breed, you should look for breeders with health tests done and you should ask to see those. These health tests are different depending on the breed. So firstly, I’d start with how much time you are willing to walk the dog everyday. Be realistic. You might have grand aspirations of walking the dog for two hours everyday but that isn’t feasible for the vast majority of people. For most dog breeds you can do brain work to help tire them out so you don’t need to be walking them on the same route for 2 hours each day, actually most dogs will get bored of that. So with the brain work (obedience, games, fetch) you don’t need to leave the house but you still need half an hour or so in addition to a walk. So what can you give a dog? Work that out first. Most dogs breeds can be family friendly, depending on the dogs temperament, their training and socialisation. Find a local trainer and talk to them about dog breeds and your family circumstances. Our trainer will go with people to visit breeders to help you work out if they are a puppy farm and if the temperament of the dog matches your lifestyle. However, if you go that route you need to listen to the trainer when they say don’t get that dog otherwise you start your relationship with the trainer on the wrong foot.

Kirkman · 11/02/2020 22:25

OP you havent answered, or might have missed it.

Why not a cocker or a poodle? And unclipped poodle and a cockapoo are virtually identical.

With cockapoos, especially F1, you aren guaranteed to get a dog that look like a cockapoo. It could favour the cocker and you woildnt know until it was older.

Also poodle crosses that are health tested (not just checked) are rare. And ideally health testing should go back several generations. A dogs Gene's can throw back to a couple of generations previous.

BaconAndAvocado · 11/02/2020 22:32

Thanks cakeandgin it's good to know that most breeds can be family friendly.

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BaconAndAvocado · 11/02/2020 22:37

Kirkman

I guess not a cocker or poodle as I have a couple of friends with cockapoos and they seem lovely.,I don't know anyone with a cocker or a poodle.

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TeacupRex · 11/02/2020 23:43

That poor cocker bitch, being impregnated by a standard poodle 😱

YourWinter · 11/02/2020 23:54

I know some cockapoos and some labradoodles. They're nutcases and I wouldn't consider either. They're NOT sure to be hypoallergenic either, whatever a breeder tells you. Pounds in Ireland are overflowing with cockapoos, those dear fluffy puppies so beloved of puppy farms and backyard breeders who care nothing for mental soundness.

Golden retrievers are gorgeous to look at, generally lovely natures (though not all), but the breed has many genetic health problems. They have wonderful brains - are you up to keeping the dog's brain properly exercised as well as its body? And they leave their beautiful blonde hair everywhere.

Do lots of research so your puppy doesn't become a statistic, being rehomed because living with it didn't match the image you'd expected.

Sammy867 · 12/02/2020 00:08

We have a springer poodle cross, she’s just slightly larger than a cockerpoo.

Appearance wise her coat is the colours of the springer spaniel but the texture of a poodle (she doesn’t shed)
I went on a course and bought professional clippers and I clip her short every 6 weeks usually, slightly less in winter. This means we don’t have to pay for grooms and I can do it in the leisure of our own house which is less stressful for her

Personality wise she’s all spaniel. We had springer spaniels before her and she’s the exact same as those in all other regards. She’s bouncy (took a while to train jumping up out of her but we got there), clever, food motivated but doesn’t require too much exercise. She’s usually happy with 2 20 minute walks a day and a long walk once a week. She’s friendly, but not overly so as she won’t approach people generally waiting for them to approach her, and we’ve been able to take her pretty much everywhere we go- family houses, out for meals, on holidays.
I would say that she has had the negatives of the springer as well at some points in her life but with training we have overcome them. She is still a bit prone to flushing birds out walking in the woods as well as the jumping on odd occasions still if someone greets her too enthusiastic

However I was prepared for all of the negatives of the breeds. I had had dogs all of my life and after my last springer passed away I wasn’t sure I could go down the path of another; but she was in rescue and fitted us well. She’s the perfect family dog for us, naughtiness as well. So much so she is named mischief, missy for short

If this is the first dog you’ve had I wouldn’t recommend them as a breed as although she gives the appearance of a good dog now to everyone it took a lot of hard work to get there. There are other breeds I would consider first, along the lines of a King Charles spaniel if you like the spaniel personality or a Bichon Frise if you like the lack of shedding for example as the crosses are a lot more unpredictable

SleightOfMind · 12/02/2020 00:30

Aw, I’d love a golden, or a collie but I have an absorbing job and four children.
So I got greyhounds and they are wondrous,
Grin.
They are much easier than the breeds you like but they get:
1.5hrs walk in the morning from me (up to school then offlead).
Half hour offlead from the dog walker at lunch, then DH or DS1 will trot them round the block before bedtime.
They also have lots of fuss and nonsense with the DC and their friends and will woofle distressingly if not cuddled on the sofa with DH and I of an evening.
Sometimes they wee/puke/shit on things - laundry, carpets, rugs etc.

The reason people are being a bit grumpy is that so many people get dogs without looking into how much work and stress they can be.
It’s so important to look at what you can realistically give to a dog and find a dog that fits into your family and the (realistic) amount of time you have to give them.

Couldn’t be without them though!

Kirkman · 12/02/2020 05:32

I guess not a cocker or poodle as I have a couple of friends with cockapoos and they seem lovely.,I don't know anyone with a cocker or a poodle.

Chances are you would like spaniels or poodles. Cockapoos are not bred to remove any negative personailty traits from either dog. The arent bred for a hypoallergenic or non dropping coat. Because, especially with F1, you have more chance of them having a dropping coat. Poodles do shed, it just doesn't drop.They are bred for looks.

My aunty had poodles, great dogs, but havebt had recent experience with them. I was a child. I have spaniels. I adore them. I wouldn't recommend and working spaniel, though I have both show and working, as a first dog. Just because a lot of working ones I know need experienced owners and alot if training.

I would suggest having a look and at English show type. And poodles.

But it is all really about what suits you. I grew up with chihuahuas. Mum still has one now. However, when left home, I wanted a dog I could take for long walks so started looking at bigger dogs and settled on english show type and went from there. A cocker may not suit. But if a cocker or poodle doesnt, a cockapoo wont either.

The kennel club website used to have a questionnaire to fill in and it would recommend breeds. Might be worth having a look.

I foster spaniels and one was a cockapoo and know people with them, as dogs I like them. However, most come from poor breeders. The ones who have lots of dogs breeding all the time, not health tested, having litters too often, producing all sorts of doodle mixes, selling them as something they are (hypoallergenic or non shedding). Hence when they are becoming more seen in rescues. Whatever you get you need to be careful about the breeder.

You are looking for health tested, seeing the dogs with their mother, ideally also seeing the father (and any paperwork relating to both parents) most reputable breeders have taken deposits before the pups are born, or soon after. A good breeder will let you visit a couple of times and the will ask you questions to ensure you know what you are getting. Theres load if other things you need to look for. So investigate how to spot a good breeder.

blondiebrowneyes · 12/02/2020 06:03

Out of those two I would pick a retriever every time.

As others have said, you can't guarantee characteristics with any dog, much less a cross. With so many people having cockerpoos these days I know many of them. Some are fine, some are total nutters, one is aggressive with other dogs, one resource guards. Of course this can relate just as much to their upbringing as their breeding.

I have a retriever and she is marvellous. Gentle, affectionate, clever. However she is hairy, moults lots and attracts mud.
So it's swings and roundabouts and depends on your priorities. Either way, getting a puppy you have to be prepared to put time and effort into training.

DeathByPuppy · 12/02/2020 08:21

Ideally seeing the father

Whilst I agree with most of the rest of your post, I would disagree with this, @kirkman. Unless you meant travelling separately to meet stud dogs.

Most reputable breeders use proven, health tested stud dogs from ‘outside’. They should be choosing a sire which best suits their bitch (best health and temperament match) not just mating with the male they have on site. By all means check the paperwork (receipts etc) and contact the stud owners to check that the pairing your chosen breeder said happened actually happened but for me it would raise a red flag if a breeder had a male with her bitch/bitches. I’d also be concerned about stress on the bitches and puppies having an intact male around the place and a lack of genetic diversity within their litters.

I started my puppy journey by finding a stud dog I liked. Then I followed his planned matings and checked out the breeders/matches via my local breed club, KC, Champdogs, getting in touch personally and finally visiting, if I liked what I saw. It took ages but it was definitely worth it.

BaconAndAvocado · 12/02/2020 08:23

the kennel club used to have a questionnaire

Thank you, I will look into this.

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BaconAndAvocado · 12/02/2020 08:26

Getting a puppy, you have to be prepared to put time and effort into training

I'm definitely ready for this and want to get it right.

I recently left teaching and now tutor a few hours a week from home so,would have all day at home with the puppy.

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Kirkman · 12/02/2020 10:33

Whilst I agree with most of the rest of your post, I would disagree with this,@kirkman. Unless you meant travelling separately to meet stud dogs.

Yes ideally. That's why I said ideally. Not everyone can or are willing to do this.

The reason I say it that I know several people who have bought 'show cockers'. The photo and papers of the dad turned out to be fake. The site needs looking at as closely as the mother, ideally.

That said, I fostered a puppy late last year, then adopted her through a rescue. We believe the mother was a working cocker and so was her dad. But, we have no idea and I suspect she isnt full working cocker. The breeder was threatening to abandon 3 pups, as no one had enquired about them. I am not willing to believe someone who would do that. So Ignored all my own advice. But I wouldn't go buy off a breeder without doing the checks. We werent even planning on having another one. My last foster dog had gone to their forever home and I was contacted and asked to take 3 in. So did and ended up keeping one. Would have kept all 3 if I hadnt already have dogs Grin

Kirkman · 12/02/2020 10:34

The sire needs looking at, not site 🙈

TheFaerieQueene · 12/02/2020 10:44

I think you need to start the process with being totally honest about how you plan to manage your dog. Can you really commit to 2 hour long walks a day, whatever the weather? Even on Christmas Day, when you have a cold, when you have a project to bring in on time? Can you commit to the training, house training, nipping and bloody nightmare ‘teenage’ phase of a puppy? Can you afford to take out decent insurance? You will need to find a reputable dog sitter as whilst your parents might say now they will have the dog, this can’t be guaranteed for the 15+ years of a dogs life. Can you commit to never leaving the dog for more than an absolute max of 4 hours?

If this hasn’t put you off, I would look at considering dogs, not based on cuteness, but on what you really think you can manage as a first time owner.

DeathByPuppy · 12/02/2020 13:30

Sorry @kirkman, I misunderstood the meaning of your post

Kirkman · 12/02/2020 13:57

@DeathByPuppy dont apologise, it's fine I probably wants clear enough

Kewcumber · 12/02/2020 14:10

Hi we have a new cockapoo puppy who is about 4 months now.

I grew up with a cockerspaniel and would have been happy to have one of those too.

I have a smallish backyard and a smallish house so needed a smaller dog. I looked at licenced breeders first and found one who had a 5* rated from the local council and loads of excellent reviews on facebook with a post-placement support facebook group.

I didn;t decide coker/cockapoo/poodle/cavapoo - I just looked for an excellent breeder who had a littler available when we were ready.

I wanted a smallish dog that was active, I have a teenage boy who would like to take her running when she's old enough and apparently they can run for miles (just like our cocker could)

Early days for training - housetraining has been a bit hit and miss, recall is excellent at the moment (becasue she has a bit of separation anxiety), and she's a pretty good girl at learning new stuff with the right treats.

She's good with our two cats and relaxed around other dogs but that's probably due to breeder keeping her with her own pack for a couple of weeks before we picked her up as we were on holiday.

She will need a lot of walking as someone upthread said for a dog this size (she's currently 5kg and will probably be about 10-12 full sized). She's already walking (zooming) more than most puppies - I checked with the dog trainer as I know you're not supposed to over-walk them at this age but she said it's fine.

She is my shadow and I already adore her beyond measure - but it REALLY is like having a toddler! I was glad I waited until I was working at home and had a teenager.

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