To sleep WITH a new pup???

[Tinkobell]

So. After sad passing of our beloved westie in Jan, we are gearing up for the new arrival of a Cockapoo female end April. Got ma books, to refresh on approach. Shock! First few pages......SLEEP with the new pup next to you in the bedroom?! Really????
I've had 2 well adjusted happy joyful dogs from pup, never did this. Why? What am I supposed to actually do at 2am when it cries....pat the crate reassuringly? I'm sorry, I just don't get this. My own sleep isn't great anyway .....we've all got,to,get up and function the next day.....unlike the pup which can crash out at anytime! Views appreciated please!

It's not about treating the dog like a person.

Well in that case just chuck the puppy out in your barn ( or garden shed) and don’t bother about house training / separation anxiety etc at all . My dog is treated like a dog , because he is a dog but he is also an equally valued member of the family / household .

But you haven't got a working dog have you? You have chosen a cross of two breeds that generally nowadays are family pets. I daresay you chose the dog for those traits.

Yes you can put it in a crate all night but it WILL cry and have accidents. Some dogs adapt quickly others take longer. Cocker poos are high energy dogs that tend towards anxiety.

It's up to you - if you don't want dog in your bed its a pain in the arse then be prepared to put up with some disruption of a night. After a week it will settle.

Dogs are dogs.
But a new puppy that has been taken from its mother and siblings and the only home it has ever known is going to take time to adjust.
We don't have our dog upstairs. (Giant breed, cats upstairs etc.) I slept next to her crate until she could go through the night. I didn't use puppy pads. They confuse dogs and make them think it's ok to toilet indoors. I got up and took her out. I didn't make a rod for my own back. We didn't play and I didn't make a huge fuss so she went quietly back to bed.
TBH if you can't be bothered to get up with a tiny puppy at night maybe a dog isn't for you.

I just know that if I showed "The Perfect Puppy" book to one of these farmers, which advocate sleeping next to a puppy - they would fall about in stitches!

Yes because they’re not raising family pets. They don’t bring their cows into bed with them either their dogs are tools for their work. Your situations are entirely different. Unless your cockapoo is from a long line of working cockapoos?

But aren't we in danger these days of treat dogs as people ...which just to be clear, they are not. Dogs are dogs.

Yes, baby dogs. Suddenly separated from the warmth and comfort of the only family and life they know. Why wouldnt You want to ease their adjustment into your family? You do care that this dog isn’t stressed and anxious, right?

I am all for people doing what's best for them. If you are happy with how you have done it before then carry on with that. There is no single right way to bringing up a dog so if you don't want to have them in the bedroom (I didn't until he was an adult) or get up to let them pee or poo then you don't have to.

I didn't have my dog in the bedroom until he was an adult but I don't judge anyone who did as a puppy.

i never had puppy in room with us. had a large pen with a bottom tray so put bed, food water in it with some toys and then puppy pad at other end. only a couple nights of crying but that was it. making a rod for your own back letting puppy in bedroom i would say

"Long line of working cockerpoos"

A few nights of crying?
Poor puppy.
It's not making a rod for your own back to make time and effort to settle a puppy in. You are at risk of creating separation anxiety if you leave a pup to cry.

My puppy slept in my room but didn't want to stay in her bed, so ended up sleeping on my pillow. Nowadays she prefers to sleep on DH's pillow

I am also willing yo bet that these hardened farming folk who would laugh at us soft pet owners actually arent taking puppies out of the situation they are used to so abruptly. Generally if you have a good working bitch you breed from her and keep the next generation. You want a dog to work then causing separation anxiety isn't the way to go.

I have a working sprocker and she is not allowed upstairs at all and never has been. She's a dog and gets muddy and hairy so is definitely not going anywhere near our bedroom. She's not our baby so we don't treat her as such.

You asked for views as to why the latest research into why sleeping near your puppy was recommended, then you ague that your way is best and support this argument by citing what traditional farmers do with a completely different breed/upbringing/outcome. If you want to bring your puppy up as you have brought your other dogs up - fine, but why ask for views on the latest thinking and then argue that your way is best?

Ok. I do understand that a tiny creature just apart from warmth of mum needs physical contact and reassurance. Get it and wanting to do it. But surely with anything a degree of self soothing has to happen unless you end up somewhat glued to a dog. Surely a young dog has to learn pretty quickly that daytimes the social time and nighttimes just not???

Isn't the very fact that a pup going to be at some point removed from its mother going to be stressful ? A agree this can be hugely softened but you just can't eliminate some pining.

We used crates for both or our puppies and they work really well. The crates are the dogs ‘safe place’ now and they often take themselves off into them when they want some peace and quiet (we have two small dc too).

The puppies were put in there from the off and in the kitchen from the first night. I did used to get up during the night to start with for toilet training but they started to sleep through quite quickly. I’d do the same again, and not put them in the bedroom

If your end goal is a happy well adjusted dog that can sleep well on its own at night....aren't you creating a double weaning hurdle to this goal ....firstly off its birth mum, then secondly off you....at night that is.
Love my dog, dog will be adored and cherished. But bed is for DH and me.

I don't think anyone has advocated the puppy sleeps in your bed.

I am a bit lost here, you asked if people keep them in the bedroom and some do and some don't. You don't want to do that which is fine but it seems like you are arguing that it's bad for people to do that.

Sorry to hijack the thread, I'm getting a Goldendoodle at the end of April and would love to have him sleep upstairs with us, however do they not get out of bed and wander around when you're trying to sleep? And do they not have accidents on the carpets?

Wakeup personally I would use a crate or playpen so they don't wander off to pee before you are fully awake to take them out. Then you should hear them stir and they won't pee their bed unless they have no choice.

@WakeUpFromYourDreamAndScream Hey! Mine never has! It's like they know it's bedtime, lights are off, tv off, it's calm and they just sleep. That's in my opinion anyway! When I get up in the morning, if my dogs still tired he tends to just stay in bed. Lol

The talk of 'hardened' farming folk and 'throwing in a barn' is pretty insulting to farmers. They are just practical experienced people ....not brutes ffs.

.....as is the comparison with cows and talking of farm dogs as just tools. What a bloody insult that is!

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I’m farming stock.

My Dh slept downstairs on the sofa with our pup.

We did have a crate but she created such a racket that we ended up abandoning it. She either slept in her bed or with my Dh and was let out whenever she needed the toilet. Which was usually only once maybe a twice a night.

She's now a year old and sleeps in bed with me. I quite like the company. We have our own spots and that's it