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Help been driven to despair/ divorce by 11 month old beagle

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Bahhhhhumbug · 13/10/2017 22:27

Hi got a rescue 11 month old beagle no history of mistreatment just came from a very young family don't think they could cope with her. So not a nervous dog with issues at all but extremely lively and only house trained otherwise no lead training or sit training or nothing really apart from the house training. Oh and she sleeps well through the night once settled.
So have made really good progress with her in the 9 days had her by following all the usual rules rewarding good and completely ignoring bad behaviour etc and have drastically cut down on her leaping up to greet and at the kitchen worktops when we're cooking etc and ld say about a 40% improvement in her lead walking.
But what l am struggling with is this nighttime madness of hers which we just can't break and it is causing a horrible atmosphere and dh has even said he wants her to go back and there's something wrong with her she's mad etc.
Every evening last five days or so she suddenly turns into this biting grabbing snatching everything little demon. I have tried everything in the book but have ended up having lock myself in the kitchen with her and leave hubby in lounge for hours till she finally gives up and goes to sleep or calms down.
We have tried ignoring her but obviously when she starts knawing on the furniture or runs off with the remote or leaps up on the TV table then you can't. Plus she then thinks you are playing which winds her up more.
I have tried putting her out the room which actally worked after ten attempts today and she went to sleep last time she was let in. But at night and tonight it doesn't usually work and on top of that she starts trying to bite my hands when l try grab her and although lm sure this is only because she again thinks lm playng rather than aggressive. Tonight l have put her out 15 times and still craziness starts again as soon as let back in. Also she scratches at the door so fast and hard the house shakes which my DH finds really enraging.
So we put her out in the garden and she starts to dig at 100 miles an hour and digs massive holes in seconds so we can't do that either.
We got her a couple of Kings which are always at the ready in the freezer and do calm her for about twenty mins. Also she gets three long walks a day including some lead training and some long lead fun and sniffing etc and l train/ interact with her lots.
On the plus side my kitchen has never been cleaner because whilst lm out there constantly pushing her away from me or things she can't have or do etc and waiting it out l ignore her by cleaning my kitchen. But seriously it is awful and although l am determined to stick it out and be consistent etc. my DH is now announcing all this reriding the good behaviour is all rubbish etc and is no longer giving her a little pat or a treat when she's behaving nicely. So she seems be diving at him more as l think she's confused now at his change towards her and tries all the more. He'd never hit her or anything like that don't get me wrong but doesn't seem to get that even shouting at her to stop when she's in full flow is giving her attention.

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Bahhhhhumbug · 14/10/2017 17:31

Thank you yawning l have a shiny floor so might try that ( though have a head like a sieve so may well forget and go a* over t** ) Yes definitely neutered got her from Dogs Trust and had to wait extra few days post op to bring her home. Why ? are female dogs also calmed down by neutering - l didn't know that.

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Bahhhhhumbug · 14/10/2017 17:35

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Bahhhhhumbug · 14/10/2017 17:38

That was her this morning after successful leaving her lead on till the post walk frenzy danger had passed.

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Wolfiefan · 14/10/2017 17:46

Oh my! She's lovely.
Remember OP "this too shall pass!" good luck with her.

minsmum · 14/10/2017 18:19

She is gorgeous.

BiteyShark · 14/10/2017 18:46

Awww she looks lovely. To be honest it took my DH a bit longer than me to bond with BiteyDog and both of us found it hard during the naughty phases.

Bahhhhhumbug · 14/10/2017 19:21

Thank you Wolfie and yes l shall just hold that thought and ignore sulky hubby ( no change there then Grin )
Yes Bitey it isn't nice because you feel like your keeping the peace between them aswell as trying to rein in Devil Dog and it makes it more stressful. See l don't care if it takes fifty attempts to cracking her doing/not doing one thing but hubby just wants it to stop lol. Anyway when he's back at work next week lm going to get some very persistent training in and watch some training videos you kind lot have linked me to/mentioned

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Wolfiefan · 14/10/2017 19:25

Mine was a sodding biting nightmare. Couldn't let her near the cats or kids or anyone off lead. A few days ago DH described her as "the perfect family dog really" Picture of bitey pup!

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Bahhhhhumbug · 14/10/2017 19:49

Hahaha that little demonic face. They should make a horror film about sweet puppies that turn into a gang of 'Killer Pups ' after dark lol. Can imagine Vincent Price narrating saying '..and all they found of the owners was half a slipper Grin.

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Wolfiefan · 14/10/2017 20:09

Half a slipper? Wolfhounds leave NO trace.
Sofa?
Walls?
Owners?
Don't stand a chance!
Thank fuck they grow out of it! I now own some clothes without holes in!
But if I ever say I'm getting another then get me committed. ASAP!

Bahhhhhumbug · 14/10/2017 20:58

After a successful evening walk and keeping her on lead indoors till danger passed she has now kicked off biting humping leaping up to face level whilst l try and wait it out in the kitchen. Just gone in her bed now and nodding off

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Bahhhhhumbug · 14/10/2017 22:14

Three hours solid it ing leaping put her lead on and just chewing the strap part with a death grip. Even pretended to take her to door for a walk would not let go . Has drawn blood on my hand trying g get the lead off her Even a piece of chicken which she usually goes mad for will not make her drop it till about five mins. I could have left her to ithe but would have meant buying a replacement to expensive lead tomo and l quite frankly thought no l am having that lead off her. Got lead off with chicken eventually and have now locked her in kitchen were she is scratching hell out of door and crying l quite frankly Darenth go in there. DH gone to the pub. She has had tomorrow morninks Kong and a drew marrow bone thing. Darenth give her any more treats as she had diarrhoea before. She has really hurt me a few times this is getting more like aggression. If she is still like this when hubby comes in he will go apes hit. I am out of ideas. Food Walk putting lead on in house ignoring even when biting me absolutely nothing working what the hell do l do. She did so well today though but seems to be getting worse by far every episode.

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Bahhhhhumbug · 14/10/2017 22:30

Even if it's only puppy stuff she seems to be getting idea she can just leap up and bite my hand . Before it was c lateral damage and she was going for her treat or whatever ld just confiscated. Now l bend down tograb back of her harness and she just leaps biting at my hand so l can't even get hold of her. She's gonna think this is OK now isn't she when l do anything she doesn't like. Those bloody people who had her before this is what you get not training a dog at all and just letting it run rit. Just as cruel as if they'd beat her and just as damaging imo. Poor thing if l end up having send her back she will get worse and worse with eery new surroundings and confusion.

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Bahhhhhumbug · 14/10/2017 22:34

. every. I wouldn't give up on her unless she was biting me continuously for months or more seriously but l know for a fact had my DH witnessed this barrage on me tonight he would e taking her back Monday.

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Bahhhhhumbug · 14/10/2017 22:36

She's gone asleep on my knee now but even then she hadn't stopped properly just worn herself out. She was still going for my hand when l tried to manoeuvre her to one side before falling asleep.

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BiteyShark · 14/10/2017 23:06

We had a few moments with BiteyDog when he was a bigger pup when we had not caught the kick off in time when I had to shove him out of the room. I would let him back in and if he kicked off again he was shoved outside. If it happened again I would manuover him into his crate whilst making sure to avoid his crocodile teeth. I soon realised he only got like that when he was tired and I hadn't calmed him down quickly enough so anything after that he took to be rough playing so it just made everything worse. I started to recognise the signs better and quickly stamped on the behaviour before it escalated.

It's early days for you as you haven't had as much experience with her to recognise all the triggers and behaviours yet. In these situations removing him from me was the signal for him to calm down as he hated not being with us (barking was ignored and he was let back in when he was quiet). If he kicked off again he was straight away removed. It felt very stressful at the time but now he is through that phase and is lovely. At the time I thought we had big issues but really it was because he could not control himself as he was over stimulated and I was not recognising this and dealing with it quickly.

Remember this phase will pass. If it gets too much given your DH is not supporting you get a behaviourist in to help you through this as it really helps to hear it will get better.

Wolfiefan · 14/10/2017 23:09

Mine was batshit crazy and I'm conciinced it was partly the pet shop treats and kibble food. On raw now and had her first season and soooooo much calmer. She did reduce me to tears more than once. And cooking or sorting washing etc when she was on one? Not a hope.
One trick we were told is get a bloody great cuddly toy. One in each room pup goes in. Keep it where you can reach it and pup can't. When they start biting you wave the toy at their height in a figure of 8 then throw it away from you. When they've finished murdering it retrieve it for next time.
I wonder if she's misreading you grabbing her as play signals? Puppies do play mostly with their mouths? Tug toy to keep teeth busy whilst you do lead?

minsmum · 14/10/2017 23:19

None of mine have been bitey so I wouldn't know what to do. I think that you are wonderful with her I would have frozen. I would second a behaviourist, try IMDT (Institute of Modern Dog Trainers) for advice. They use non coercive methods.

BiteyShark · 14/10/2017 23:19

On thing my DH did which made BiteyDog worse. If he got bitey he would push him away. BiteyDog took this as playing so would come back even more bitey and DH would push away again so this escalated quickly. I on the other hand would march him out firmly and gently with his body out of the room which was much better as it was obvious I wasn't playing. She is probably misreading your actions as playing and when tired is playing roughly.

BiteyShark · 14/10/2017 23:35

And yes I agree it probably is because she has not been trained to 'calm down' and been taught what is and isn't acceptable for playing. Fortunately I went through this with BiteyDog at a youngish age but it is harder for you as she is older and you are starting further down the road. However, don't despair as it's amazing how quickly they start to 'get it' when you realise what is happening and start to change their behaviour.

Bahhhhhumbug · 15/10/2017 02:00

I will try the tug thing to occupy the little piranha gob next time whilst l remove her and try to do it all more slowly and less frogmarching iykwim. I noticed today (before it all went tits up) that when she was threatening to start that the slower l moved her away from things etc the less likely it was to pass without going full blown. E.g. went over to the TV table trying wriggle behind it about ten times and though l felt like chucking her across the room by fifth attempt instead l just very gently shunted her away and she did give up even though moved onto next thing. I also didn't shout though felt like bawling her out but just did it silently then sat down and avoided eye contact the with her at all costs ( as that seems wind her up more. It is just like teenagers attention seeking. Not looking at her l guess is removing her audience.

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Bahhhhhumbug · 15/10/2017 02:13

Oh and l found my old dogs metal link lead with leather handle which l am going to clip on her in the house when she starts as l think chewing metal links is going be much less attractive than a fabric strap.

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ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs · 15/10/2017 12:21

Honestly, a crate would really help you here. I know how frustrating beagles can be! And I know some people think crates are cruel, but if you use therm properly they become a place your dog feels secure, and you know they are safe (I got one after my first beagles chewed through wiring- luckily it was telephone wire and not electrical, but it made me realise how easily he could get hurt).

Bahhhhhumbug · 15/10/2017 13:41

Yes been looking at crates today very expensive might look on eBay! ! Last night she was horrendous and this morning her jumping up at worktops when we were getting breakfast had relapsed quite badly but to be expected and l ignored and just kept brushing her down and treating when stayed down.
On the plus side we took her out in the car and she didn't turn into Houdini and settled really well in harness on back seat. When we got home kept lead on again and was quite skittish but settled after ten minutes and then allowed in Lounge with her morning Kong.
One thing l have really noticed is when she starts leaping on settee etc that the more calmly and slowly l move her off and put her Kong back slowly and gently on the floor then she just resumes chewing it nicely down on the floor. So lm going about like a ninja around her but it's really making a difference. I suppose if l launch her off settee or try and grab her or throw the Kong she thinks 'Playtime'. But yes l am going to get a crate definitely.

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Bahhhhhumbug · 15/10/2017 15:08

Have just done my ninja slowly slowly routine with her whilst she kept leaping g on the settee after her walk and gently put her down on the floor three times. When she was trying bite l just very slowly stroked her on the nose instead of trying dart my hand past piranha gob which she thinks is a game clearly and then l slowly put my other hand on her harness strap and lifted her down and got to keep all .your fingers too !! So this is her after third attempt.

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