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Dogs from Romania - Your thoughts/experiences?

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skyblu · 04/09/2017 08:02

We are looking to get a dog, but would like an older/steadier dog, rather than a puppy.
I have found a website of an organisation that does amazing work rescuing dogs from Romania. They have kennels out there, work with the dogs to assess behaviours/characters. Neuter, de-flea, worm them, socialise, walk & play with them and get them ready & all paperwork sorted for travel. Some come to the UK to foster home first, but most do not.
So this means in many cases you do not actually meet the dog. You go all through the adoption process, have homecheck, can speak on phone to the rescuers etc....then once all in place, doggy flys over and is yours.
There are some truely beautiful dogs & because they are crossbreeds, far more choice for my size requirements etc.
Just feels such a massive decision to rescue one without meeting it at all & going by someone else's word & description over the phone. And such a big deal to put puppy through (flying over, new country, environment everything). For me, once commitment made, Thats IT. Doggy is mine for life. I would never decide no & give it back to rescue, that's not an option after putting it through travel/change etc. It would HAVE to work no matter what.
So, is it a brave/ridiculous/crazy thing to do? People must do it as the charity has been going a while! Any experiences of anyone doing this? Is it better for very experienced dog owners only?
(Not saying I'm going to do this, I'm just exploring all options/doing my research).

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BertrandRussell · 04/09/2017 12:32

As I have said before. Goddess preserve me from animal lovers.

tabulahrasa · 04/09/2017 12:36

"We are all allowed to like different types of dogs."

Well yes, but, when you're looking at importing a completely random mongrel with absolutely no clue what breeds are in there, it can't be about breed traits can it?... and size was mentioned more than once, so I assumed it was important.

CornflakeHomunculus · 04/09/2017 12:39

I would never adopt a dog I was unable to meet beforehand. You would need to have a great deal of confidence in the rescue and their ability to accurately assess dogs whilst they're in situations that are far from ideal.

I posted some links about adopting dogs from Romania in the Doghouse sticky thread which are written by a UK based trainer/behaviourist who specialises in working with those sorts of dogs. They're well worth reading if it's something you're considering, especially the third one which covers common issues.

There are dedicated rescues in the UK for pretty much every breed or type of dog imaginable. Almost every breed club runs their own welfare scheme and there are loads of smaller, independent rescues that focus almost exclusively on a particular breed/type. Both these sorts of rescues tend to be mostly or entirely foster based rather than using kennels which gives them a much better idea of how a dog will behave in a home environment.

Whether you look for a rescue in the UK or abroad it is just as important to do your homework and research as it is if you're looking for a breeder. Many rescues are fantastic but some are less so and it's very important to make sure that a) theyre doing everything they can to maximise the chances of a dog being adopted (through appropriate care and training) and for that adoption to stick (by carefully matching dogs to potential homes), and b) they will continue to support you post adoption and help with any issues you or the dog may have.

What sort of dog is it you're after? Posters may be able to recommend some other rescues for you to look into.

Haint · 04/09/2017 12:47

We rescued from abroad (Cyprus rather than Romania) We looked for almost a year for a suitable British rescue. We weren't particularly fussy regarding size / breed etc but because we have children and possibly more problematic, a cat. Very, very few uk dogs were suitable. In fact in those 11 months we found one possibility - he was a larger dog and 8. We had fairly recently gone through old age and the death of our old girl and just didn't want to be experiencing that trauma (and yes expense) again within a few years.

The rescue we used (Rehoming Cyrus Pointers) were brilliant. Our dog is a sweetheart. we didn't meet him beforehand but were in touch with his foster carer and had videos and photos.

Their facebook page is full of happy testimonies and happy dogs. I'd not hesitate to recommend them and indeed will use them again in the next few years

Floralnomad · 04/09/2017 12:53

Anybody who says that all you can get from British rescues is greyhounds and bull types just isn't spending enough time looking , or not looking in the right places . In our family we have generally had Battersea dogs , as a child we had a spaniel x collie , then my parents got 2 pups a whippet x and a mastiff / ridgeback mix and I have a patterdale x JRT that I got as a puppy . I don't think we should be importing dogs , in fact living in the SE I'd be keen to see more quarantine measures put back in place .

Rednailsandnaeknickers · 04/09/2017 13:09

Following for advice thanks to all who have posted.

Branleuse · 04/09/2017 13:18

its rescuing for people that cant cope with the idea of having a staffie

DeepfriedPizza · 04/09/2017 14:40

We have had our rescue pup from Romania for 3 weeks now.

We were going to rescue from the u.k but we came across a charity for Romanian dogs and discovered that strays are just killed in Romania unless charities can take them in.

The adoption process was pretty straight forward, homecheck, paid our fees etc and she came across on a van. It took 5 days for her to arrive as they stop a lot on the journey to let the dogs out to play.

When she arrived she was very scared, hid in her crate for a while and done the toilet in the living room as she was too scared to leave the room. It took a good few hours to lead her outside and now loves the garden. Again, she was scared of the lead/harness to start with but we took it very slow and already she gets excited when she knows she is going for a walk.

Romanian rescue dogs are very food driven so we had a bit of "counter surfing" and there is no way that we could snack on the sofa with her there as she would just take the food out our hands. This is because they are so used to not knowing when they will be getting their next food that they will try to eat everything they can, this apparently changes with time.

We have just started her training, the trainer has said she is very smart and should be relatively easy to train. It only took 2 days for her to be toilet trained although she will pee with excitement.

We have 2 major issues that we are still working through and we know that if we can't work through them then we will have to send her back to the charity.
She is very territorial in the house, she will bark at everyone walking by the window/garden and will bark at strangers who come in the house.
She has separation anxiety, we took 3 weeks off work to get her used to the house and built up leaving her for 5 minutes at a time and was doing really well then all of a sudden she isn't. She jumped out of our first floor open window trying to chase my DH ( I was in the house) and she has torn down 2 sets of blinds and a set of curtains.
The trainer said this should settle down in time as she is fine sleeping in the living room by herself at night but I don't know how much more damage she can do before we think enough is enough. We are trying calming supplements and a thundershirt to see if that will help her.

Sorry for the essay but I just wanted to be honest. We discuss every day whether or not we can keep her, it's incredibly hard and we are apparently lucky as other rescue dogs from Romania have much bigger issues.

Motherofterriers · 04/09/2017 14:51

Try breed rescue - or there are some facebook groups which might help, for example those which only deal with rehoming small dogs. Many tears are worth trying.
I feel so sorry for the Romanian dogs but wouldn't want to commit to a rescue without meeting it first and introducing it to all family members including the furry ones.

roundtable · 04/09/2017 15:00

Mine is from Spain but was already here so we met her first.

We had an unsuccessful placement with an older rescue dog ( also from Spain but had been at the centre for over a year). She had imprints that we were not able to deal with. Herding the children and guarding the house. We had a behaviourist round to work with her and they couldn't be in the room together as he was concerned she would bite. We had mistaken her lack of barking in the rescue centre for calmness when actually it meant something totally different. He taught us a lot about body language of dogs and advised us to return her as she was in danger of biting.

We tried again, this time looking carefully at body language. We've had a rescue pup for four months now and things are much better. She's just come up; given me a quick lick; nudged for a stroke and gone back for a snooze in her bed. She can be let off lead but can be anxious in crowded places.

So I would be concerned about adopting a dog that you had never met. And even if you do meet one first, study a dog's body language and what it means as they will be telling you something about their personality from the off.

There's smaller rescues that foster first. In hindsight, I'd have contacted one of those. Much more realistic view of the dogs.

Whatever you decide, good luck.

BLUEsNewSpringWatch · 04/09/2017 19:13

discovered that strays are just killed in Romania unless charities can take them in

Why on earth do people not realise this is what happens to UK dogs picked up on UK streets?! If the owner of a dog, picked up on the street, here in the UK, cannot be traced, the dog is either taken by a rehoming charity or put to sleep. Thousands end up put to sleep each year just because there isn't enough rescue spaces - yet rescues in the UK are now ending up increasingly rehoming dogs from other countries because the rehoming "charity" that brought them into the UK washes their hand of them and leaves people totally unable to cope with, what is a feral animal, that they do not have the experience to cope with.

BertrandRussell · 04/09/2017 19:30

"discovered that strays are just killed in Romania unless charities can take them in"
A) that happens in the U.K. too
B) is it necessarily a bad thing? Think of the trauma of being in a cage for age then shipped to the UK- they don't know they're being taken new home.....

DeepfriedPizza · 04/09/2017 19:40

Blue, I think it depends on the charity. The one we went through hasn't washed their hands of our dog. They've said they will take her back if it doesn't work out.

She is microchipped under both our name and the charity's name so if she got lost and we couldn't be traced she would go back to the charity.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem in the U.K too but if you've already got pets/kids/live in a flat etc some U.K charities won't look at you.

roundtable · 04/09/2017 19:42

Our pup has definitely been traumatised from the journey here.

She was also fear aggressive around other dogs when we first got her. Luckily, I'd studied and studied so applied it to her and gradually introduced her to other dogs for short periods. If I hadn't have studied up on it, we could have exacerbated that response and had a very different dog.

I'm not sure how much I agree with importing- but she was the dog that fitted in with our life we hoped. It's a shame that we couldn't remove a dog from here butility we didn't suit the criteria for a lot of places because of the age of my dc. But I'm glad I stuck to my guns about rescuing. We were really discouraged by lots of people.

More foster places would help the issue I think. When the children are older, I might consider it.

slinkysaluki · 04/09/2017 19:48

BLUE most of the dogs I foster have come from pounds on death row in UK.

What irritates me us what you said about the rescues bringing g over these dogs and then as you say washing their hands of them, then it's UK rescues that end up picking up the pieces.

People don't seem to realise that dogs here are treated appallingly as well i.e. greyhounds having their ears hacked off and dumped so they can't be traced back to the owners etc. Dogs being hung from trees, dogs being set alight and burnt ...I could go on

user1471542018 · 04/09/2017 20:02

I work in the vet industry and I've seen some dogs rehomed from charities abroad with illnesses we do not have here (e.g. leishmania) with very unreliable information on the progress and cost of treating the illnesses. Vet care is more expensive in the U.K. Compared to Romania / Cyprus and ballpark figures provided by the charity were wildly off. I would not consider adopting a dog from Europe without blood samples proving they are free of heart worm, babesia and leishmania at the very least. These diseases would be very expensive to treat in the U.K., fatal if not treated and would be considered pre existing so would not be covered by your insurance policy if you have one. Make sure the dog is properly health screened before bringing it over.

AfunaMbatata · 04/09/2017 20:07

They've said they will take her back if it doesn't work out

And the next home will probably not work out either. It's cruel to ship a dog from home to home, it traumatises them and increases the risk of them. Better to be PTS.

Orangebird69 · 04/09/2017 20:10

I know of one lady who has a Romanian rescue. Gosh, it's the sweetest, most loving, happy dog ever. If I could guarantee that kind of dog, I'd do it. But obviously I can't guarantee it so I won't. But having a toddler and a need for any dog I rehome to tolerate cats and other dogs, rescue options are few and far between for me. Nigh on impossible. I'm in no rush so I'll patiently wait until the right dog is in need but I can see why some people do look outside the UK to rescue.

guest2013 · 04/09/2017 20:13

This just popped up on my news feed and I had to comment. We're Romanian and I would be very very careful. These dogs are not pets. They're bred to be guard dogs mainly. It's very sad what happens back home with them but I would never ever trust one in my home. They won't be used to a house or humans, especially children.

QuestionableMouse · 04/09/2017 20:14

Sorry but there are all sorts of dog out there in the UK looking for a home. If all you can find are greyhounds (who are wonderful dogs by the way) and bull breeds then you're not looking hard enough.

www.dogstrust.org.uk/rehoming/dogs/filters/~~~~~n~/page/2

BLUEsNewSpringWatch · 04/09/2017 20:16

I'm not saying there isn't a problem in the U.K too but if you've already got pets/kids/live in a flat etc some U.K charities won't look at you.

Yes but there are good reasons for that and tbh just proves my point that a lot of these "charities" re-home in unsuitable homes. A feral animal and DC or other pets are a recipe for disaster. At least rescues here only re-home suitable dogs in to those homes, which yes may mean waiting longer for a suitable dog to come along but surely it's better to have a well matched and most importantly safe dog around your DC and/or other pets. Also I would say a feral dog is even less suitable to live without a garden, than your average UK rescue dogs are - which tbh shows how little the charity actually care / consider the dog or their new owners.

Also you say your charity would take the dog back but the truth is you don't know they really would. A lot of the ones saying they will don't when it actually comes down to it.

Slinky exactly - but somehow people seem to think UK dogs don't get put to sleep just because rescue space isn't available, even though in reality thousands are each year. Also that just because lots of pets are well treated here that somehow animal abuse doesn't exist here, even though it really does. Maybe it's to close to home for people to bare thinking about or something but it's really odd.

Booboostwo · 04/09/2017 20:21

As above really. I am Greek and while it is awful to see strays living rough the only solution is education of the locals and stérilisation of the dogs/cats.

These dogs are likely to have been born to parents of uncertain temperaments, lived rough all their lives, be used to scavenging for food and fighting other dogs for survival. You never know what you will get with q new dog and even with the best will in the world things can go wrong, but this way you are stacking the odds against you. It is very likely that you will need to deal with fear aggression, separation anxiety and resource guarding as starting points.

Greyhorses · 04/09/2017 20:34

I wouldn't ever consider one of these dogs unless I had met it and tested it myself.

There's a reason people pay money to buy dogs from reputable breeders, you can be pretty certain of what your getting whereas with lots of rescues it's a real gamble.

It's even more so if a gamble when the dog/puppy has almost certainly come from a background such as the Romanian dogs who are probably bred from parents who are also unhandled, plus the stress and trauma of being kennelled, treated badly then shipped to the UK. I have met many of these dogs and I would say most have behavioural issues, many severe which did not become apparent until the dog had settled and overcome the shock of what happened to it.

I would rescue, but only a dog I could vet and test myself personally and never unseen from the internet.

There are hundreds loads of rescues that don't specialise in staffies or greyhounds in the UK! Dogs trust in my area has a dog of every type and there are lots of smaller specialist rescues that will almost certainly have something!

Haint · 04/09/2017 21:27

Ours was fully blood screened and we were provided with detailed information on what they were tested for including leishmania. We've also been given the details of where to have him retested in 12 months time and agreed to do so as part of the rehoming contract

It's worked out for us. And although I appreciate and indeed agree with much of what's been said I think it's flippant to suggest that there are numerous, well balanced and issue free dogs in U.K. rescues. It was certainly not our experience despite being experienced owners, home most of the time, flexible in our requirements and willing and able to travel to meet potential pets

Regrettably it is undeniably the case that the vast majority of dogs in rescues will have suffered from lack of socialisation and training, or have been mistreated, or in the case of greyhounds have highly developed prey drives or be ex breeders from puppy farms who've never lived in a home and need a resident dog already in place to help them settle in.

It's not impossible to overcome these issues of course but it is shortsighted to suggest there are plenty of well adjusted dogs available to normal, everyday families.

We've had numerous rescues throughout my childhood and as an adult as has my husband and not one of them hasn't needed professional input from behaviorists and intensive retraining out of undesirable traits. That was fine when we were footloose and fancy free but now we have a family and as such we spent a long time searching and researching and found the ideal dog who happened to come from outside the U.K. And who would almost certainly be have ended up dead or in a concrete pen for a miserable life had we not given him a home

honeyroar · 04/09/2017 22:11

Haha, so much crap spouted on this thread.

I've got two pedigree Labradors, both came from breeders with wonderful pedigrees. Both were too much for their first owners and were dumped in rescues as yearlings. The second dog was too much for his second and third home too. We got him from a Labrador rescue with a fantastic reputation when he was 14 months. They never home checked us or spoke to our vet. They made us sign a contract to say we'd neuter him, but they never checked we did, in fact they never checked on him at all. He was 100% bonkers and hyperactive, he ran us ragged. But we kept going and after about 18 months had the most wonderful dog. But the rescue were appalling.

A couple of years ago I worked with a lady that imported rescues from Romania. I was sceptical, very like many of the posts on here, but I followed her on Facebook. It turned out that she did a lot of hard work matching dogs to owners. A few months later a video was posted on her page of an adorable little face in a cage. I found myself putting my name down, despite not having any intention of getting a third dog. Three months later my dog arrived.

She came over in a van, which took 24 hrs. They go to kennels for 48 hrs in Kent, where Defra can check them if they want ( they have tons of injections and treatments before coming over). Then they go back on the. Van and are given to owners at drop off points. Our dog was very nervous, particularly of men. She'd been found in the woods by the dog catchers, who had been very rough with her and her puppies. She was only a year old. She didn't know what a bed was, she slept on the doormat for a week. It took two months to housetrain her. But she's been the sweetest, most lovely dog. Last week we were out at a country event and a little toddler got away from his parents and ran over to her without us noticing. He had her pinned to the floor, sitting on her, holding onto her ears and kissing her. Any other dog would have snapped, she just wagged away and kissed him back.

I've stayed in touch with the rescue. They have a huge Facebook "family" who help each other out. They've raised enough money to buy a kennels over there, so dogs can be taken out of the kill pounds and assessed properly before coming over. We have volunteers in the uk who have fostered dogs on the rare occurrence that they get returned. In the two years I've been involved, very few dogs haven't turned out to be super family dogs. I'm not saying it's easy, you have to be a certain type of dog owner, and prepared to ride the odd storm. They may take some work to settle into a household.

And you'd have to be pretty hard hearted to turn your back on them once you've seen what goes on over there. They're not really kill shelters, more like "leave to rot" shelters. The dogs are thrown into cages with mesh sides and corrugated roofs. In summer it's 35 degrees and full of flies, in winter it's -15 with deep snow. The ones on the outside edge cages have no protection. They have a pallet for a bed, no bedding. They are lucky if they get fed once a week, same for water, never cleaned out. Once in a while they feed them poison if they're getting too full, so they die slowly. Older dogs and puppies usually die anyway. We have some amazing local ladies that go in on Sundays and give them a load of feed and a bucket of water, that's the only day they allow them in. We now employ them at the kennels we bought. We are trying to work with local schools to educate locals about neutering and caring for dogs. We are trying to work with local government to start a neutering program. All the dogs that come over are neutered as well as having jabs, flea and worm treatments and basic health checks. I can't speak for other rescues, but the one I know about is genuine and good.

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Dogs from Romania - Your thoughts/experiences?