Pug?!

[Stormzythecat]

Just looking for peoples experiences with pug puppies really. I've looked after an older adult pug in the past and know they are mad (in a good way) but we have found a pug boy that seems perfect for us he's 15 weeks,housetrained and doesn't nip,he is kc reg and coming straight from the breeder.

So I suppose what I want to know is are they hard and very hyper as pups? More so than any other puppy I mean. We have had a puppy here we looked after for 2 weeks but that was a shih tzu and very chilled so was fine with young kids.

Well saying about waiting lists etc isn't necessarily as there are a lot of pups for sale from top breeders.

I've taken all the comments on board and will think it over. I'm not buying him because he's "cute" I've done research into a dog that would suit our family. I have experience with many breeds just not a puppy pug.

Not withstanding all the negatives above, we have one and we all absolutely adore him. He's the best dog we've ever owned, fantastic with the children, patient, energetic, hilariously funny, and so so loving. I can't recommend the breed enough ❤️️

The standard that pugs are bred to now is ridiculous, they do not even look or sound like dogs, they are porcine. They can't breathe properly. Breathing is the most basic function that a living creature will need to do, and even that has been compromised in the name of "cute".

I don't understand why people that don't care about the welfare of dogs actually go out and buy dogs

They shed like mad.

I know plenty of heathy little pugs. I have one and she is the most loving, sweet and good natured dog anyone has met. She's amazing with everyone including children. People always comment that she should be used as a therapy dog. She was a crazy puppy though!!
I'd say go for it, companionship and love (and noisy pug cuddles!) will be given in abundance!

Oh, various dental issues are also common in brachycephalic breeds as well. Just as they've got the same amount of soft palate crammed into a non-existent muzzle they've got the same number of teeth as any other breed squashed into a mouth that's not big enough to fit them all in comfortably.

So I don't care about the dogs welfare? Well I'd rather I buy him and give him a good life then someone else who wants him as a fashion accessory he had been born now can't reverse that!

Get a mongrel from a shelter. Much healthy and you should adopt and not shop!

Pugs have awful health problems (KC means nothing towards this as keeping breeds KC and ''purebred'' can actually mean more inbreeding).

If you loved dogs you wouldn't want to hear your pet breathing the way all pugs do.

he had been born now can't reverse that!

But this attitude is exactly what keeps this kind of breeding going. Imagine if everyone thought that way ''Well they're born now, I might as well take them''. So they buy the dog and people keep breeding and people keep buying out of this reasoning so it continues in a cycle. Its only when people stop buying the dogs and the demand stops that they will stop being bred like this.

You can see from these scan images why so many pugs struggle with their breathing. They have all that same soft tissue just squahed and folded into a ridiculously small space. Also bonus skull image showing the mess that their teeth can end up in.

Unfortunately breathing issues in brachycephalic dogs are actually hugely under-reported as people have been led to believe that the noisy breathing/snorting/snuffling/grunting/snoring/chronic heat intolerance/etc. are normal when they're all actually indicators of compromised breathing. So many people post pictures online of "happy" pugs which people then coo over despite the fact the dogs are actually very clearly in respiratory distress.

Ffs I can't have a rescue dog due to age of kids. I've had a rescue dog in the past. And have a rescue cat who is 11 plus a kitten I saved for free off the Internet. It's not always as easy as just getting a rescue dog.

I have a pug. Easiest, healthiest dog I've ever had. As long as both parents have hip and eye scores and the relevant other health tests. I presume you've checked that? Will he be endorsed? If so, go for it. Mine comes from excellent lines where the breeders have worked hard over many years to eliminate breathing problems. He snores a bit but that's it.

They moult constantly though. If you don't want a layer of blonde hair on everything in your house, don't get one.

I don't understand why you can't get a rescue dog? Most will have information on webpages telling you if they can be with young children etc.

Why not get a pug crossed with something healthier? It will still have pug traits and it might be able to live free from discomfort.

Buying these flat faced breeds encourages further breeding of them. It's supply and demand, these pugs are big money makers for the breeders - health is not their priority.

I'd say go for it, companionship and love (and noisy pug cuddles!) will be given in abundance!

Are those 'noisy pug cuddles' a cute euphemism for brachycephalic snoring and chronic air-hunger known to cause suffering and impede activity? So cute for owners, so detrimental for a great little dog that would love to be active but is physically disabled because it's been bred to look 'cute'

OP yes your pug has been born now - but whether you choose to finance the breeding of brachycephalics dogs destined for a life of physical impairment is still very much your choice - is it an industry that you want to support? It would you prefer to finance a healthier dog and demonstrate purchasing-power support for dog welfare?

Your choice. Though from your posts I suspect you've already decided that cute and deformed wins out. There's much research to dr obstrate thst brachycephalic dog owners simply refuse to recognise the suffering their pet experiences.

When it comes to dog welfare, love is not enough.

I have young kids believe me I can't have one from anywhere round here, kids have to be over 5. And the rare one that would be suitable will be snapped up straight the way.
I live in a lovely area countryside,safe but it's still a no.
I've fostered cats and dogs before for a rescue but that was a long time ago so I'm not anti rescue it just can't happen.
TBH it should be personal choice anyway.

KC reg means absolutely nothing. It really doesn't mean the dog will be healthy.
Do you know the history of the parents and any health test results.
We got our pup due to a potential home not working out. But a lot earlier than that age. I would worry it has been returned or there is more to this story than you know.
How did you get in contact with the breeder? Any personal recommendation from people you trust in the breed?
This is a popular breed and MANY MANY puppies (KC reg too) will be puppy farmed.

If OP doesn't buy this puppy someone else will, there's no getting round it. Her not buying him achieves nothing except depriving a puppy that is ALREADY HERE, from having an owner who cared enough to post for advice. The puppy may also drift in the wind not particularly wanted by the family he's with now, missing out on valuable bonding and socialising time.

OP do a ton of research on his care and potential health issues and get your puppy. Good luck xxx

So what would happen if everyone thought ok fuck him he's badly bred where would he end up?

Mine comes from excellent lines where the breeders have worked hard over many years to eliminate breathing problems. He snores a bit but that's it

Do even after many generations they're still breeding dogs with chronic airway obstruction?

That's not ok

Thanks Ms

You're missing the point. If people didn't buy unhealthy pups from puppy farmers the bastards would go out of business.

I have a gorgeous and healthy pug. I have had numerous dogs and all had issues one way or another.
He is lively and lovable. He is either 100 miles and hour or asleep. He will walk for miles but doesn't like the heat.
My boy was a rescue - but not that old when we got him.

There are dogs in the DogTrust website that are described as being suitable to go with over 4 year olds and even younger.

You could adopt a retired greyhound, they are known for being excellent with children as they have a characteristic gentleness to the breed.

Where do you live that all adoption centres have a blanket rule of adopting out to families with only over 5s?

If OP doesn't buy this puppy someone else will, there's no getting round it.

You could apply the same arguement to rhino horn, elephant ivory, tiger bone , chimpanzee babies, etc. Depends whether it's an industry you personally want to finance. Someone will always buy them - that's why people sell them - do you want to support that marketplace?