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Would you be offended by someone not trusting your dog?

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LaserShark · 15/05/2016 13:07

NC as very identifiable situation that I'm seeking advice on from various sources. Firstly, I am very afraid of dogs. I can't help it, it comes from childhood experiences. I don't mind being around dogs on leads but I am terrified of them loose. I rarely have to encounter this so up til now, it hasn't been an issue.

However, my neighbours recently acquired a dog. A couple of months ago he was a tiny puppy and I didn't mind him. However, it's a pitbull and has very quickly become big and intimidating to look at (to me, someone already scared of dogs).

They don't seem to take it on walks; they let it out into the garden throughout the day. There is no division between our gardens, just a path running down the middle.

When I realised the dog was pooing on our lawn - several big piles on one morning - I was fuming but politely went over and mentioned it. They were apologetic, cleared it up and mowed our lawn. I don't think they saw why I didn't want it in the garden at all, even if they cleared up the poo but they offered to put a fence up and to keep the dog on their walled patio until the fence is up. I was happy with this. Everything was civil and friendly. I didn't see any more poo on the lawn, though a ball belonging to my son that was left out has been bitten and deflated so it's possible the dog has been back in the garden or maybe it was something else.

This morning, I took my 2 year old out to play and the dog came out onto the patio. No sign of the owners. It jumped up with its front paws on the patio wall and was watching us intently - probably friendly, but I am worried it thinks of the whole garden as its territory as it has had free reign to run over our lawn up until I asked them to stop it. Anyway, I don't have a rational reaction to dogs, my heart was pounding and I was shaking with fear. I'm pretty certain it can jump over the wall. I took my son back in the house quickly and called out to the owner. A few minutes later, she pounded on the door demanding to know what had happened. I said nothing had happened but I was worried the dog would jump the wall so had come back inside and asked if she'd shut the dog in for a few minutes so I could go back out to get my toddler's toy (ironically, a toy dog which he loves). She argued that the dog wouldn't jump the wall - she said he could but he won't. I said I was sorry but I just don't trust it. She snapped at me to call the authorities then and stormed back into her house slamming the door.

Up until now everything has been friendly and whilst I explained that dogs make me nervous, I haven't expressed any anger - though, I'm actually raging that they would let their dog have the run of our garden and to use it as a toilet even if they were happy to pick up after it. I can only think that she took great offence when I said I don't trust the dog. But I have two young children, limited experience of dogs and I have no idea how they are training this one so why would I trust it?

I was really upset this morning, both from the panic I felt on seeing the dog and thinking it was going to jump and from the unpleasant shift in her attitude. Her husband is a verbally aggressive, shouty man - I have previously witnessed eight police officers restraining him outside our house one Sunday afternoon. These are not people I want to antagonise.

But, I can't use my own garden. I don't trust them to restrain the dog adequately. They have been promising the fence every weekend; supposedly it will go up next weekend but I'm worried that it will only run either side of a hedge which I doubt is high enough to keep the dog behind. I'll probably never be able to relax with a dog so close but if I felt the fence and hedge were high enough, I could take my kids out with the rational knowledge it was safe.

Right now, with no fence I can't go into the garden at all. My 5yo has chicken pox so we are confined to the house completely. I'm keen to sell later this year so don't especially want this to escalate into a dispute. I just want them to make sure that the dog cannot access our garden and I think that's fair.

So, as people experienced with dogs, would you be offended by my attitude towards the dog? Does anyone have any advice about how I can resolve this?

(Yes, I know I could get help with my fear of dogs but I'm not in a position to pay for any sort of therapy and it doesn't have an impact on my life usually - until now, when a pitbull is sharing my garden!)

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MuttonCadet · 15/05/2016 13:39

I have three large dogs, but not a breed that people think of as dangerous.

Lots of people are scared or intimidated of them, which is perfectly understandable. Mine are never let off the lead in public places and one is always muzzled (because he's lunged at a smaller dog in the past).

I certainly would let them go in someone else's garden.

LaserShark · 15/05/2016 13:40

Dieu, I think that could be true. I think I was reasonable to object to the dog poo, but overreacted this morning. It could have been the last straw if she's had a lot of grief about the dog.

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MrsJayy · 15/05/2016 13:40

It is more than likelya staffy cross not that it matters they should not be letting their dog bother you ever letting their dog wander about bothering you and your family is not on bugger if they are offended

LaserShark · 15/05/2016 13:41

Mutton, someone round here walks a pair of huge dogs that look like bears. I find them fascinating and am never scared because they're always on leads.

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LaserShark · 15/05/2016 13:43

Thanks, Mrs, googling 'brown and white Staffy cross' brings up some dogs that look just like it so that's probably it.

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MuttonCadet · 15/05/2016 13:44

I certainly wouldn't let them loose in anyone else's garden (they don't even have the run of our garden).

Dieu · 15/05/2016 13:45

Lasershark, thank you for seeing my point. I know of Staffie owners who experience other people crossing the road at seeing them approach. Of course they have been bang out of order with the poo thing though, and also being so slow at getting the fence put up.
To be honest, it might just be best to offer to go halves on the fence, just to get it put up quicker. I'll bet prospective buyers would see it as a big plus, rather than just an unsecured path dividing both gardens.
Good luck ... and remember that the poor dog hasn't actually done anything (the poo thing is very much the owners' fault).

MrsJayy · 15/05/2016 13:46

A neighbour has a male staffy x its like a barrel its huge.

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tabulahrasa · 15/05/2016 13:48

I do own a breed that people tend to think of as scary...I've only ever been annoyed about it twice, once because he was a tiny puppy, young enough that I was holding him on my knee at the vets and someone was talking to him and stroking him and saying how cute he was, then recoiled when he asked what he was.

The other was when he was fully grown and I was standing with him on the lead in a sit waiting for my daughter and a workman came out of a house and insisted I move across the road so he could get to his van...we were at least 10 feet away!!!

My garden is secure though, same as it was with my last dog who was a random mutt from a rescue, because I'm not a git.

pigsDOfly · 15/05/2016 13:49

She may very well be fed up with the negative attitude towards her dog but that might improve if she didn't let her dog poo all over other people's gardens.

I suspect people would be very negative towards my inoffensive, love everyone, small dog if I let her run wild and poo in their gardens.

LaserShark · 15/05/2016 13:50

I constantly tell myself that it's not that I don't like dogs, it's that I don't like certain dog owners (there is a real dog mess issue on the pavements round here so I remind myself it isn't the dogs' fault).

I would give most dogs a wide berth on the pavement if walking with my toddler in case he grabbed at one. Most dog walkers cross over when they see me with two small children in tow, to be honest, probably for that reason!

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MrsJayy · 15/05/2016 13:50

My sister lets her dog wander all over neighbours gardens dog is a pita but sister thinks its cute because he is so friendly id be annoyed if i was her neighbour you just dont do it imo

Dieu · 15/05/2016 13:51

Re middle paragraph, what a bloody wimp he was tabulahrasa!

katemiddletonsnudeheels · 15/05/2016 13:51

Well, from what OP has said, once the woman was made aware of the dog pooing she apologised, cleared up and kept the dog out of the gardens, only OP is still making stipulations (sorry, OP!) and while I can appreciate where she is coming from, I have to admit I'd be a bit eye-rolly by this point.

LaserShark · 15/05/2016 13:52

Neighbour did clean up the poo and mow our lawn. I just didn't want it there at all, even if she was picking up after it. The fence will be a plus point for buyers so worth doing.

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Dieu · 15/05/2016 13:53

Me too, I must admit ... but then the OP does sound very nice indeed, and I can totally understand that this can't be an easy situation when so scared of dogs.

LaserShark · 15/05/2016 13:55

It was my fear talking this morning. I panicked when I saw it up at the wall and thought it might jump. I was OTT.

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LaserShark · 15/05/2016 13:56

And thanks Dieu and everyone else for the advice and helpful perspective.

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katemiddletonsnudeheels · 15/05/2016 13:57

That's it, isn't it, and most people recognise that how something feels is often more important than how something is, which is why fear doesn't respond to 'it's more afraid of you than you are of it!'

However, there is the question that at what point do we insist others modify their lifestyles because of our fears - and the cold answer is, we can't.

Dieu · 15/05/2016 13:58

No problem, and I think your overreaction is understandable. You do have a very small child, after all.

Whitney168 · 15/05/2016 14:04

Not that it matters much, but if you're in the UK it won't be a pitbull.

Apologies, tabulahrasa, but that's a very naive attitude - although I am 100% on board with your view that it mostly tells us that the neighbour is a tosser. There are certainly pit bulls in the UK, and anyway it doesn't much matter what breed/type it actually is IF it causes problems.

OP - why is there no fence between your gardens? Given that you describe unreasonable neighbours, can't you put one up - I know it should be you having to contain their dog, but I'd rather be safe/comfortable in your own garden than 'in the right'.

PrimalLass · 15/05/2016 14:04

If you use posts, postcrete, a metre spirit level and 6ft panels then it's not that difficult to put up a fence yourself.

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Noitsnotteatimeyet · 15/05/2016 14:05

Obviously your neighbour shouldn't be letting their dog roam in your garden, whether or not they're clearing up after it. I suspect from what you've said about them that it'll be much quicker for you to sort the fence yourself, which will help your peace of mind.

However ... While I don't expect everyone to love my dog or even like him, I do get a bit irritated when people are irrationally scared of him. When we're walking on the pavement he's always on the lead, he's under control and very well-behaved, he's also not that big and fluffy so you have to be trying quite hard to be scared of him. The other night a woman insisted I put him in a sit on the other side of her while she walked past as she was so terrified - I did internally roll my eyes ...,

OP even if you don't get help to overcome your own fear of dogs, please don't pass on your fear to your DC. There's nothing more likely to excite a happy, friendly dog than small children running and squealing- dogs don't realise the squeals are fear, they just think it's an invitation to play

The Dogs Trust have done great resources to help children stay safe around dogs - well worth a read:

www.learnwithdogstrust.org.uk

Greyhorses · 15/05/2016 14:06

I have german shepherds, people don't like them very much at all due to the way they look. I really don't care one bit and wouldn't be offended if you said so. I wouldn't let my dogs interact with strangers at all though so wouldn't be in this position.
My dogs bark at the fences though and am confident they can't get out, maybe the owner feels hers is secure and you may be being irrational if it actually can't get out (sorry Blush). I have had people panic passing mine when they are on leads and meters away and I must admit to the odd eye roll here and there as they under control and no danger to anyone, but I understand that fear isn't always rational!

The only soloution I can think of is to put up a 6 foot fence and enjoy your garden in peace as it sounds like your neighbours don't care enough to sort it out. It means you can go outside without worry and not have to look at the dog or the neighbour!

Also, it's very unlikley to be a pitbull as they are illegal but the owner calling it one kind of shows what type of people they are...