Have just sent my dog breeder a snotty message on a public fb forum

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Years and years ago a respected breeder (cruft winning, professional dog shower type) sold me a psychopath of a dog. I firmly believe she knew the dog had issues (was an o,der dog). As I got in the car she told me to be careful of the dog round my husband as "he'd never met any men". Which I thought was odd. He attacked my husband within five minutes of been home and attacked him every day for two years, as well as biting other people. We spent a fortune on behaviorists.

This woman ignored my emails and phone messages.

Ive just seen her post a message on the breed specific group on fb. Ive posted a very long reply to her telling her she should be ashamed of herself for what she did to us. And made it very clear to anyone else who will read the post that she ignored our emails, etc.

I'm a little bit scared of how she will react!

Maybe your post will make others more wary and that can only be a good thing - particularly for the poor dogs. I hate irresponsible breeding

I wish it would but I doubt it, people still seem to elevate these kennel club registered breeders to some kind of higher status- look at the German shepherd crufts winner. I am on a FB group and they register different litters to non registered breeders for cash if there is space to do it to a bitch that has stopped breeding. It's a murky world, meanwhile perfectly lovely dogs languish in shelters.

Not all breeders are irresponsible. Our boy is from a kc registered breeder, their dogs are family pets and they only breed when they want a puppy themselves. Their dogs win lots of shows but as I said are family pets first and foremost. They are also very fussy about who they sell puppies too and stay in touch afterwards - we exchange emails and have also met up.

Gizz's post and your info about crufts has made it rather easy to identify her I'm afraid.

I know it was years ago, but can you remember if there was a DH/teen sons/male kennel staff/male vet?
Bit odd to say "Watch him with your husband he's never met men"

Would you say "Be careful if you take him on a bus , he's never been on a bus"
"Be careful if you take him out, he's never seen a kid on a skateboard"

No, you'd just let him experience new things at his pace.
So it implies there have been issues with males the fact she mentioned it.
Was he advertised as Home Bred, Good with kids/cats etc?

You might be able to claim WRT KC register.
It won't help your Dog but it will hit her pocket.

And she can threaten legal action if it's libelous or deflammatory to her/her business.
If what you wrote is fact and not speculation, then she's got no case

If it's the one I've just found, it didn't take me long to find an article about her being sued as long ago as 2008, and an advert for her on Pets at home or whatever they're called. How on earth do the Kennel Club let her continue with what is clearly a puppy farm?

The kennel club couldn't care less about dog welfare is my opinion, it happens a lot.

Yes Ceres, that's the one.

She can sue me for libel, I would love to see her in court to be honest.

She was/is married but she said the dog had never really met her husband as he doesn't have a lot to do with the dogs and that they kennel staff were all female.

Anyway I posted my message on FB immediately under a post she had written as a reply. Then I thought people might not see a reply so I posted it again not as a direct reply to her comment but not my own post if that makes sense. Fb have deleted my first one (the reply) as it doesn't adhere to fb community standards or something. Not sure why as I was very polite, no swearing, no name calling. The other one is still there. Not sure if she asked for it to be deleted or a group admin did.

I emailed the kennel club btw and reported her and never heard from them either.

And yes we have another dog now who is lovely. We got her before having the other pts as my last ditch attempt to sort him out was hoping another well behaved dog might make him see he didn't need to attck people all the time and/or give him something else to focus on apart from Dh. Didn't work, we had both for six months. Poor puppy just used to look a bit scared and bewildered when other dog was on one.

My springer is kc registered. He is a bundle of nerves and has a ton of medical problems.

I went with a kc registered as people advised as everyone said I would get a good breed of dog and could probably know what they would be like as they were kc registered. That's a laugh. I'm sorry but it registering it means nothing

Our pup,is KC reg. He probably came from a puppy farm so it means nothing

Glad you have another dog op, it really sounds like you tried your very best to sort out the issues with your other dog and the whole situation is obviously very sad and difficult for you even years and years later.

I agree kc reg by itself means nothing springer and hopping. We didn't choose our breeder because she was kc registered, we chose her because of her responsible breeding and the way she questioned whether WE were suitable to have one of her pups!! Like I said, we are still in touch and her dogs are family pets first and show dogs very much secondary to that. It's easy to see by her Facebook page too - loads of photos of her dogs with her children on days out, sleeping on the sofa etc. And she has only very few dogs including one that is retired from both showing and breeding and another who hasn't ever been shown or bred from.

Totally agree that KC registration isn't worth the paper it's written on.

We nearly got another Podengo last year. I asked around on various dog forums and the same persons name kept coming up so I approached her and she agreed to put me on a puppy waiting list. But yes, I think I was vetted......she didn't actually ask me that much but she would have read all my posts on a fb group by then. I certainly got the impression she had to decide if you were suitable or not. Which was reassuring. Sadly when a puppy became available we decided that we'd got used to being a one dog household again and didn't want to rock the boat. If I ever decide to get another dog I will go back to her though.

You have name changed right - it was the podero.
I remember your posts right from the beginning, I think fair enough, she would never engage with you even though you had a serious issue.

Yes, had a different name back then.

Did you have any support or communication from her while you were going through this? If she sold you the dog and then ignored you when you tried to raise a problem, I'd say fair game to bringing it to her attention once again in a way that is not so easy to dismiss.

No communication from her. I emailed her a couple of times and no response. Tried ringing but the phone wasn't getting picked up, can't remember if I left a message I think so.

I think once I found the stuff online about the lies she had told (in court) about some previous purchasers of one of her puppies I realised she wasn't s very nice person and would have no qualms about screwing someone over. So I gave up trying to contact her and concentrated on the dog.

The unwillingness to communicate speaks volumes. We got one of our dogs as a puppy from a lady who bred her own dog only two or three times. We felt, quite rightly, like we were being interviewed by her before she would let us have one of her puppies. And we kept in touch with her via email for a couple of years afterwards to ask her advice and let her know how our dog was getting on ( and pass on anecdotes about doggy naughtiness).

Well I've just had a message fom someone in the group saying that another buyer has recently had a biting puppy, though this time a border terrier. They insisted she took it back and they then took her to court to claim the money they paid back as she was refusing to refund. The court has ordered her to pay the money but as of yet she hasn't paid. She's a nasty bit of work.

Thanks FishSlice.

I'm sorry you went through that with your little chap Who I'm sorry for the hijack but I had never heard of a Podengo so I had a google. We have recently got a lovely little rescue. This is him fully grown. We thought he was some kind of terrier - probable Russell with possibly poodle, yorkie,etc etc everyone who meets him thinks he is something different! Could this be what my dog is?

I've been scouring the net for info on them. One thing about my chap at the moment are his front legs are under investigation for ALD (Angular Limb Deformity) One vet spotted it and has recommended xrays which we're in the process of sorting. Is this a breed characteristic? I'm wondering if this is then not something to be so concerned about - it definitely doesn't stop him from racing around.

He's certainly not a full podengo. His nose/head is the wrong shape. Looks more of a terrier cross. It's unusual to aquire a podengo or even a part podengo from a rescue as there's only about 500 in the country. Saying that I do know of one who turned up in a rescue. Hope his legs are okay.

Blow. Thought I'd IDd him! Thanks for your reply Who. :-)