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New Puppy Mummies, Part 3

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DharmaLovesDraco · 09/11/2013 21:30

New thread, because quite frankly I can't do without you all :)

OP posts:
Awks · 07/01/2014 22:10

I was the OP of these threads back in August so thought I'd come back to say hello. Jarvis is 7 months nearly now and is anoyingdorable. He's funny, affectionate, lazy, moulty and growing into a nice dog.

His recall is ok but could be better and he loves, loves, loves retrieving his ball. He hates having his harness put on, the cold, baths and being told off but loves his food, the sofa and sleeping.

It's lovely reading about all our pups. Thank you.

reup · 08/01/2014 08:08

Thanks for the kong recipes. He likes licking the edge but hadn't figured out his to get inside yet. Even if it's loose dry food. Maybe the puppy one is too small?

I yelped more like a puppy today when he was biting and he stopped and looked at me. So I will tell my kids to be more high pitched!

sunshineday · 08/01/2014 09:52

Just though I would pop in and say hi, we have just got our first lab puppy and she is fab. We had a sheltie who died about five years ago now so it's been a very long time since having a pup in the house but loving it.

SallyBear · 08/01/2014 09:58

Ooh! More details please sunshine! I have a 6 month old Labrador called Toby. He is a fox red colour and is from Field Trial Champions. He is the gentlest, loveliest boy, and very easy. We got him after our yellow FT Labrador Sally died as the house seemed empty without a dog.

sunshineday · 08/01/2014 10:28

Sally she is a yellow lab very sweet she comes from a show dog line both parents were cruft winners apparently her pic is on my profile they are very clever dogs aren't they she is learning very quickly although my cats are not as impressed with her as much as us lol. She will get her first set of needles tomorrow.

SallyBear · 08/01/2014 10:43

Lovely Labrador puppy SmileSmileSmile

needastrongone · 08/01/2014 11:31

Hi Sunshine, lovely puppy.

I have a springer who is 14 months and collect a working cocker a week on Saturday.

Glad you all liked the kong recipes. No credit taken by me, was a copy and paste, but lots of interesting ideas Smile

Wouldn't think to go to classes without the dog, but an excellent idea, means you can concentrate!

moosemama · 08/01/2014 14:04

Hi and welcome Sunshine. Your girl looks so sweet. Smile

Sally - how is Toby doing today?

Needa, I've seen that list of recipes before, but it inspired me to try something new with Pip's this morning. He hasn't had it yet, but I put kibble in, then mixed up a raw egg and put the lot in the microwave for a minute. The kibble expanded a lot and the mix started to appear out of the top of the kong just as the microwave pinged, so I gave it a minute or so too cool slightly , then pressed it down to compact it and once it was completely cool, filled the rest with a kibble and sardine mix, topped off with Salmon mousse. Going to give it to him for this afternoon's school run and see how long it takes for him to eat it.

First puppy class of 2014 this morning. Funny to think this time last year we still had Oldgirl and no hint that she would be gone in a matter of months.

Only two of us turned up today, so we had quite a good session with one trainer to the two of us. The other pup was Pip's absolute favourite little Cockerpoo girl and he was ecstatic to see her, which was so lovely to see.

Test week next week, so need to polish a few bits here and there, but the trainer said she's sure he'll have no problems at all. Then it's onwards and upwards to the KC Bronze award. Don't think I'll actually go for the award, but had a chat to the trainer today and agreed I'll keep taking Pip for the socialisation, as there are already other dogs he hasn't met in that class and new pups start at the end of every 6 week older-pups course as well, so potentially lots of new dogs for him to meet.

mintchocchick · 08/01/2014 14:10

Test? What test? Are dogs usually tested at the end of a set of classes?

I'll keep my panic in check as I don't think this can apply at our classes as was never mentioned! Not that I'm competitive or anything more that we don't do much homework anymore and stick to the basic commands. The rest of the class have moved on to advanced stuff like 'flat' from a normal walk - (just in case of emergencies) which sounds really useful but I feel all my doggy time has been taken up with medicine & massive amounts of washing related to the illness so no time leftover for training.

I need to get back to my coffee break training as that worked really well.

What sort of things will you be tested on Moose? Any that Pip doesn't get?

SallyBear · 08/01/2014 14:21

Moose - Poos are starting to get back to normal, but he still smells unwell. Not sure if the house smells or it's Toby tbh!Confused He goes from having a big sleep, a small burst of energy to looking sorry for himself. So not quite there yet. But thank you for asking.

basildonbond · 08/01/2014 14:28

Hi sunshine - your puppy is gorgeous :)

Eek - first puppy class of 2014 tonight and Fitz's down has completely gone to pot!! He was doing it brilliantly the week before last but last night he was looking at me like I was making no sense at all - I had to go back to using a treat as a lure before it twigged - hmmm serves me right for taking basic commands for granted .,,

Glad Toby's feeling a bit better Sally - hope he keeps improving

basildonbond · 08/01/2014 14:30

Mint - Fitz is going to get a certificate this week for passing puppy foundation - he didn't do the last two classes of that course as he'd already been put up to the Bronze class so I don't know if there was a test but I think it would have been pretty informal

moosemama · 08/01/2014 14:41

He's already had one test Mint. We had one at the end of the 8 week puppy class course and he's now due to take the older-puppy test. Not all classes do it though. Ours seems quite keen to get people onto the KC scheme and you have to pass both the puppy tests to start the bronze award.

It's still pretty basic at this point. Iirc, we have to do all the basic commands from puppy class (so sit, down, sit up, stand) with no food or luring. Recall, walk to heel for 20 paces, leave food from your hand (but not the floor as this point), a very short 'stay' and 'manners going through doors' - which is basically the 'wait' cue. We also have to have a 2 minute conversation with someone who approaches us without our dogs jumping up. I think there's a couple more as well, but can't remember what. Our club does a road walk each week, but that's not part of the test, although I understand it is at Bronze level. Finally the owners are asked questions to ensure they understand the Country Code.

Pip can do all of them really, but is being a touch teenagery about the stuff he finds boring, like the sit-down-sit up-stand. He just gets a far-away look in his eye and completely ignores me. Blush He also fluffed his stay today, although he's usually the best in the class at it. It wasn't really his fault, as a dog in the next room was barking really loudly and the other pup in our room started barking at a dog through the doors as well and he's still really nervous if other dogs bark. He did do it, but only once the trainer had closed the door-curtain and waited for the other dog to stop barking.

The other thing he did today was refuse to wait while I walked away to recall him. He acted for all the world as if he couldn't bear to be parted from me, then when I called him, the little darling ran to the door instead of me - so obviously devastated to be parted from me. Hmm Grin

Sounds like he's on the mend at least Sally. Has the vet given you any probiotics for him. I've found them indispensable with Pip, especially when he was so poorly when he was small.

moosemama · 08/01/2014 14:45

I should have said, I'm so proud of him really, as obedience style training doesn't really come naturally to many Lurchers, especially Saluki types like Pip.

He's also opened the trainers' eyes a bit, as I think they had quite an old-fashioned, stereotypical view of Lurchers when we first started and they're genuinely delighted that he's done so well.

mintchocchick · 08/01/2014 16:35

And so you should be proud Moose - Pip sounds like a star in class! You have obviously put loads of work in there and that must be lovely to see when he does get things right in class and at test time.

I do like the sound of your class structure - things like the wait while you walk through a door, and holding a conversation with another adult. I love the trainer I go to and she puts great resources into each class - very attentive and has 2 helpers with her for each class so lots of attention during sessions, so I'm happy with my class. But I'd quite like a test to give me a benchmark for our progress. It would give me a goal too and I need one of those to give me kick up arse re: training!

Saluki and lurchers are really lovely dogs - just done a google search for pics - think I'm fantasising about my next dog! Would love a dog without so much hair - minty is a mud-magnet and Hates being brushed because of the mud and I hate the odd whelp I get from him when I tug a muddy bit. Maybe a less hairy dog next time!

FiscalCliffRocksThisTown · 08/01/2014 17:07

Oh Moose, I am picking up my lurcher pup this week (super excited!) and I have had very conflicting advice about lurchers and puppy classes.

Would you recommend it?

Mine is a shy girl (4 months, has been with a family for 6 weeks, but got bullied by all the other dogs (they and 4 or 5) so they took her back. So I'll have a bit of work building up her confidence, and wonder if puppy classes might be too much (and maybe not the thing for most lurchers anyway?)

Saluki crosses are so beautiful. Mine is a smooth coated whippet/greyhound/Beddie cross.

FiscalCliffRocksThisTown · 08/01/2014 17:11

they HAD 4 or 5 dogs, and she got bullied by the top dog

GhostsInSnow · 08/01/2014 17:44

Kong recipes all saved, thank you!

I need help, how can I stop the little swine biting? My hands are a bloody mess, yelping at him doesn't make any difference whatsoever.

Help!

moosemama · 08/01/2014 17:55

Hello FiscalCliff. You don't get much more shy than my boy. He was very poorly as a young pup - and unfortunately contagious to other dogs. We carried him everywhere for socialisation, but he ended up terrified of other dogs, from lack of interaction.

When we first started puppy classes he just hid behind my chair and refused to even look at the room. The trainer was well aware of his start in life and arranged for us to be seated with a wide area of space around us and for the first couple of lessons I just click-treated every time he came out from behind the chair or looked at another puppy/dog. By week three he was out in front and taking part in the training. Today he has been playing dafties with his favourite love interest - a super cute and wriggly, 5 month old Cockerpoo girl. Grin He's still very nervous of other dogs out and about, but is brave enough to approach quieter dogs for a gentle hello these days and is improving all the time. I'm sure he would never have reached this point without puppy classes.

I would wholeheartedly advise anyone with a puppy - of any breed - to find a suitable puppy class. It helps build a bond between you and the pup and is such valuable socialisation - even if they aren't going to be the world's best obedience champion, those benefits alone make it really worthwhile. If you can find somewhere where the trainers are aware of how sighthounds are different, it will definitely help, but it's not essential.

I would say puppy classes will actually build her confidence. Pip has absolutely blossomed at his and as I said, he was terrified at first.

It's not that I don't think training classes are right for Lurchers, more that some crosses might not be predisposed to traditional obedience, iyswim - that's not to say they wouldn't benefit from going though. I do think every single Lurcher pup should to to training classes - training a good recall alone is a good enough reason and of course a good bond, which you will also build through training, will also make your dog more keen to come back to you.

Even better, it really wears them out. We got home at 1.00 ish this afternoon and Pip has been totally zonked out in his crate all afternoon. Didn't even stir when I went upstairs, whereas he usually waits behind the living room door and whinges after me. He did wake up long enough to stuff down his eggy kong (which lasted him an hour, so that was a result Grin) during the school run, but went straight back to sleep afterwards and has been asleep ever since.

Whippet/greyhound/Beddie is a nice cross, Beddie always makes the mix interesting and fun! Grin Do you have any photos of her?

Pip is rough coated and we don't know his exact cross because he was left in the gutter at the side of a road with his sister at less than 24 hours old. As he's grown he's clearly got the Saluki figure and best guesses are that the other dominant breed is terrier of some sort. He looks very like a Parsons Jack Russell in the face sometimes, but his legs are so long, I can't believe that's a first cross in his case. Some people on Lurcher Link have said they reckon he might have some Collie in there somewhere as he's pretty sharp - for a Lurcher! Grin

There are some pictures on my profile, although they're quite a bit out of date (I really need to get around to putting some more on). He's 7 months old, really leggy and 24 inches to the shoulder - so taller than my other Lurcher who is 8 years old, 23 and a bit inches and a Deerhound/Saluki x Whippet/Collie.

Speaking of Lurcher Link - definitely join if you can. They are lovely people and there is a wealth of Lurcher specific knowledge and experience on there. Mistlethrush and a couple of others from the pointy hound thread are on there and so am I.

Excuse the long post - I'm very excited to have another pointy pup coming to the thread. Blush Grin

moosemama · 08/01/2014 18:02

Honey, if he doesn't respond to the yelping, stop - it just excites some dogs, particularly terriers. You can try several things, but choose the one that works and stick with it, rather than confusing him with several different methods.

Either:

  1. 'Be a tree' - stand still, turn your back and ignore him, then reward him for stopping.
  2. Shove a toy in his mouth and praise and reward him for biting that.
3.Stop the game (or whatever you're doing) instantly and either leave the room yourself for a few seconds or put him the other side of a dog gate or something.

Make sure you are giving him lots of praise and rewards for biting the right thing and be totally consistent in your response when he bites and chews inappropriately - he'll get the connection eventually, for some dogs it just requires a bit more maturity than others for them to develop the self-control required for bite-inhibition and learning never to touch human skin with teeth.

Also ensure he is well rewarded for playing nicely with you with no biting - it all helps.

FiscalCliffRocksThisTown · 08/01/2014 18:16

Thanks for the lovely welcome Moose!

Will post some pics later this week. Will research puppy classes!

mintchocchick · 08/01/2014 22:16

Meant to say Hi to Awks there a few days ago! Great to hear that Jarvis is doing so well!

Once you get over the really tough initial stages of having a puppy it really is wonderful! Minty also hates harness going on and he now has a gentle leader which he hates even more!

Is anyone else going demented with all this mud? I steam cleaned kitchen floor twice today and still crunched my way across it for all the time in between! I am doing an extra wash a day of smelly dog towels and floor cloths etc.

I am tempted to skip the woods tomorrow just to have a days break from the mud but then I'll feel guilty for letting preciousness override minty enjoyment as he adores running through the muddy puddles and often makes people laugh with his enthusiasm and general daftness!

moosemama · 08/01/2014 22:53

Awks? I must have missed you.

Ah - found you! Grin Great to hear from you and Jarvis. Pip also hates having his harness put on for some reason - totally the opposite of Lurcherboy, who goes fruitloop if I so much as touch his because it might mean a walk.

Mint, I feel your muddy pain. I seem to be permanently steaming the floor - thank heavens for the lovely steam cleaner I had for Christmas - of course it would be even better if dh hadn't managed to throw all the attachments out with the Christmas packaging rubbish. Angry

My two have been on late night and early morning walks in the dark since dd developed the pox, as I can only go out when dh is home to have her. Sadly that means no off-lead fun, as it's pitch dark in our park until the sun comes up, but, although they're both fed up, at least they haven't trawled half a field back home twice a day every day.

My two have had a real 'let's see who's boss' play/wrestling session this evening. We have a quite a small house so there's not exactly room for two large Lurchers to be wrestling and pulling each about in the middle of the living room. Lurcherboy is trying his best to put the young upstart Pip in his place now he's getting a bit teenagery, but he's failing dismally, as Pip just sees it as an invitation to play fight. I did think Lurcherboy might finally snap and tell him off good and proper tonight - but he wussed out at the last minute. He's such a big old sap! Grin

I suppose it'll have to go one way or the other, but fear if Lurcherboy doesn't take control sometime very soon, he's going to end up playing second fiddle. Although in hall honesty, I think he'd actually prefer that. He was so stressed as an only dog after we lost Oldgirl. Prior to that he was bottom of the pecking order to two elderly, bossy bitches, so I guess he's comfortable with being at the bottom of the heap so-to-speak. He's such a sweet, gentle soul, bless him. I struggle with it and want to intervene and help raise him up - but know it would be the wrong thing to do, as they have to find their own levels.

SallyBear · 09/01/2014 07:55

Any recommendations for steam cleaners on carpet. There are still very stinky areas in my house after Toby's diarrhoea the other day. I used simple solution and then followed it up with biological Ariel. Still smells disgusting. Help!!!! At this rate I may need to bin both the rug and the carpet.

moosemama · 09/01/2014 08:19

Not sure, sorry Sally. My carpet glider attachment went out with the rubbish, along with the all the other accessories. Hmm

We have hired a Rug Doctor in the past to do our living room carpet. It wasn't too expensive and did a good job. Think we hired it from Homebase or B&Q or somewhere similar. It's either that or getting someone like Chemdry to do it for you. Probably still works out cheaper than replacing the carpet.

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