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New Puppy Mummies Part 2

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SallyBear · 24/09/2013 13:16

Just thought I'd start the new thread!

Toby (foxy coloured yellow Labrador) is now 13 weeks old. Long, lean and lanky. Still wonderfully tempered and is sleeping through and no longer messing in the house.

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sweetkitty · 30/09/2013 10:07

Basil - I think I'm exactly where you are Grin and Hmm

Nala is 10 1/2 weeks and the nipping is awful, she's very good at clicker training "no biting" but once the DCs are around she's mad. Right enough the DCs are mad with her, DS is 3 and the worst he won't leave her alone but even DD2 was at it yesterday waving her boots in front of her then screaming when she bit themConfused I spend more time telling them off than the dog.

Her crazy time is first thing in the morning which is my busiest time, DP is away by 6 so I won't be able to walk her until 9 when the DCs are away but she's just mad, tried throwing her out in the garden to run off her energy but if I'm not there she sits at the back door and howls.

I tried moving her crate out the living room and into the utility room yesterday and she howled the place down for ages Hmm she's good in her crate as well it was to give her space from the DCs so crate is back in the living room.

DP is doing my head in as well, had an argument about him rough play fighting with her, I'm trying to train her to be calm and he fights with her and I'm like play but with a toy not your hands. He won't read any puppy training books as I read them and can tell him Hmm but then he disagrees with them, he asked what my patents did about puppy nipping and I said smacked them across the face, well maybe we should try that Confused yes they also smacked me!!!

Anyway that's a huge ranty post sorry I'm so encouraged to read about those of you with older puppies who are calming down give me hope. She's such a lovely little thing apart from the biting, she's very affectionate and just wants to cuddle up and sleep on me. 5 days until she's allowed out Grin

moosemama · 30/09/2013 11:59

Basil and Sweet, your pups are still a lot younger than many of the ones on this thread. If you have a look back at the previous puppy mummies thread you'll see we were all still feeling the same way at the same point.

It's still so soon after they've been just hanging out with their littermates being able to do whatever they want to. It will come, it just takes time for them to learn and adjust to your rules.

Basil, you did absolutely right putting him in his crate when he was manic - just like toddlers, they get overtired and don't know when to stop - they need you to impose nap time/bed time or they get wired and manic.

As for the biting, if yelping, back turning and distracting aren't working, try a short time-out. Best not to use the crate if you can avoid it, but if you could pick them up and put them behind either a gate or door, just for a minute or so, then let them back in that might work. If they repeat the biting, repeat the time-out - just like the naughty step really, don't make a fuss, just pick them up calmly and silently and eject them from the situation. If you keep repeating it consistently they should hopefully get the idea that nipping stops play.

Sweet, I have moved Pip's crate into the kitchen today, as my neighbours are still away. Just spent half an hour clicking him being in there and dropping treats through the bars, then did ten minutes with the door shut doing the same, then let him out. Now I'm in the living room out of sight (although he can hear me) and he's gone back in and gone to sleep! Shock I'm planning to do the same thing over and over several times every day this week and praying he settles in there. I'm hoping being able to see Lurcherboy while we're out might help him settle while we're not around as well.

On a less positive note, after our lovely afternoon at the country park with both dogs yesterday and Pip actually tentatively approaching a couple of dogs I took him for a walk this morning and he was a nervous wreck. Hmm

First he freaked out at an empty pushchair - why - we saw loads at the playpark yesterday and have seen them endless times before, but this morning, apparently, this particular pushchair was scary. Confused Then he didn't want to go into the park, then he was visibly shaking and trying to bolt from a couple of Cockers that were miles away and paying absolutely no attention to him. Managed to get him to do a circuit of the park with a jolly voice, lots of persuasion and mounds of chicken then decided to sit on a bench and see if he would calm down - nope. A mum from the school came up to speak to me with her Patterdale pup (half his size) and he did everything he could to escape under the bench - then when another Cocker came in the park chasing it's ball and completely ignoring him (it's Cocker and Cockerpoo city round here at the moment) he climbed on my knee and growled at it. Hmm Sad

I need to keep taking him several times a day, but between that and crate/alone training I am getting nothing else done.

SallyBear · 30/09/2013 13:01

How many times a day are you all walking your pups? Toby is 14 weeks and gets one thirty minute walk a day. I know the general rule is 5 mins for every month of their lives isn't it? I'm doing a mixture of lead and off the lead to help with recall. I've ordered a 5m long lead. He's doing really well with recall, but is easily distracted. Will sit at the kerb now waiting to cross over which is great.

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moosemama · 30/09/2013 14:30

Pip is getting walked too often for the usual rule, but I have to balance this whole socialisation mess with his physical development. He's only on lead though and it's verrry slow, due to him spending most of the time we're out sitting down to watch other dogs or trying to back away from them. Hmm He gets far more actual exercise charging round the garden to be honest.

Actually, we've just had a nice half hour in the park with Lurcherboy. Lurcherboy had his flinger this time and was superbly behaved and Pip was on lead and totally relaxed with him big bro alongside him.

I haven't done enough roadwork with Pip yet, because we live just a few doors up from the park and overlook it at the back. The times we have been out I've been doing sit at kerb, but it's by no means automatic yet.

SallyBear · 30/09/2013 14:42

We were treating at sit, then saying cross! and then treating good cross. So now he gets praise for sit and then a treat for sit and cross at the other side of the kerb. Smile

The socialisation thing is still a work in progress. He's desperate to make friends with other dogs, and in taking to a socialisation class at the vets on weds. I think I told you that I knocked the organised training on the head. I couldn't hear instructions properly, he was doing everything that he should before the other pups (I think its more to do with his intelligence than me being a super puppy mummy!), and he got very distressed with a) the barking puppies and b) the constant drizzle. I didn't learn anything new so decided that we were doing pretty well as we were.

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diplodocus · 30/09/2013 14:53

We've just spent half an hour sitting outside the village shop as suggested by Moose to try and get Diplodog used to strangers. She was very chilled and seemed to enjoy it, but there were very few passers by (made me wonder how long that shop can keep going!). Will go further afield to a busier village shop I think, but she really is at the stage where people just walking past ignoring her is a good place to start. She really wants to be friendly - starts wagging her tail as people approach - but just bottles it as soon as they try and pay her any attention. DH taking her to socialisation classes this pm - hopefully her desire to meet other dogs (who she loves) will help her overcome her fear of strangers.

basildonbond · 30/09/2013 15:37

Thinks heifer and moose - and (sort of) good to know you're in the same boat sweet! We've had a better day today trying to use the clicker to deal with some of the problem behaviours like licking the dishwasher door as soon as I open it. I think one of the things I find hard is that he's obviously very bright - gets things like "I'll only get treats if I don't lick the dishwasher" in about 2 seconds, but can't understand that biting/nipping stops the game (we are doing time out but unfortunately has to be in the crate as that's the only place we can manage (open plan kitchen/playroom)

sweetkitty · 30/09/2013 15:53

Oh yes we have a dishwasher licker as well.

I'm turning into the angry crazy mum as we are on September weekend here which means loads of kids round, of course, kids and puppy is a nightmare it's bad enough with my own, I'm trying to supervise but other DC are a nightmare as you can't just tell them off and how to behave around a puppy. One in particular wants to keep picking her up and thinks its funny when she jumps up. Then my DCs are in and out the gate every 5 mins not good with Nala in the garden so I have now banned all DC from the house/garden. Hmm

She's so good at no biting on clicker training when she's focused on food but rubbish outside training sessions, she's just put another hole in one of my tops by jumping up and biting.

moosemama · 30/09/2013 15:57

Basildon, I don't think that he doesn't get that nipping stops the game, it's more that it's such an instinctive and rewarding behaviour for him that it's harder to over-ride.

If you do lots and lots of impulse control training eg leave, wait, quiet it will really help. Impulse control is one of the hardest things for young pups to master, but really is key to them being able to live with us without causing either us or them problems

moosemama · 30/09/2013 15:59

I dream of having a dishwasher licker ... we don't have room for a dishwasher! Grin

sweetkitty · 30/09/2013 16:25

I have tried getting up and moving away, yelping, shoving a toy in her mouth instead, kikopups techniques (which as I said she's great at in training), I have also resorted to crate time as well, 5 minutes to calm down.

Working a lot on leave, sit, down and no biting, am hoping all this combined will see her calm down the biting plus she'll be able to be walked.

mintchocchick · 30/09/2013 16:44

I think our biting problems have slightly calmed down - this is at between 11& 12 weeks. Partly due to slightly calmer puppy and also due to kids getting fed up with the biting so doing less of the antagonising.

We had first 'proper' walk today - what a joke - lots of the puppy sitting on his bottom refusing to go the way I wanted to go. Interspersed with mad dashing ahead getting all twisted and choked on the lead. I must look SO out of control but we have a very stubborn breed!

My auntie had an old english sheepdog puppy with 3 children under 8 yrs of age - I don't know how she did it. She said it was one of the best times of her life, so I'm thinking there must be a puppy-amnesia thing that goes on!

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moosemama · 30/09/2013 19:05

Mintchoc - there is definitely such a thing as puppy amnesia ... that's how we ended up with Pip! Grin

I do think the worst of the nipping will settle down as they mature. As everlong said, it's really improved with Pip and if he does do it it's with a soft mouth these days - although he ripped dd's favourite pjs when dh had him on Sunday morning, but that's the only time he's actually done any damage. Hmm

basildonbond · 30/09/2013 19:33

It's two steps forward, one step back here I think .. Fitz was much calmer during the day - we had a couple of trips to the park where he was fussed over by virtually every single passer-by, and we got some good walking to heel around the kitchen and garden. But then this evening he wee'd on the floor and then jumped up at dd - his teeth caught her hand and drew blood :( I desperately need to get some shopping in as the fridge is bare but I'm waiting for him to be a bit calmer before I leave

mintchocchick · 30/09/2013 19:34

Yes I'm sure I'll be all glowing and nostalgic about the puppy time when I have a grown up dog who's not attracting the attention that Zebo is now! We're at the school gates so long each day because I don't want to rush away from lots of small people adoring and stroking him.

When do they start expressing a desire to go outside to wee? If we take Zebo he wees to our command and we had our first dry night last night - 10pm till 630am without a wee! All fine but in the evening (when we're either busy cooking, eating or watching TV) he takes himself to any random corner of any room and wees. I'm hoping that soon he'll start whining at the back door. Am I expecting too much?!

mintchocchick · 30/09/2013 19:41

Oh dear BB that's tough on your DD.

You're right, two steps forwards one back. While I was typing Zebo walked into the room, stood looking at me and did a big wee. I just yelled at him Noooo and tried to whisk him outside but he'd finished on the sitting room carpet!

SallyBear · 30/09/2013 20:06

Mint - Water bowl outside worked for us. I found that feeding Toby outside and leaving his water bowl out there helped enormously. Everytime he went out for a drink he then went for a pee.

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mintchocchick · 30/09/2013 20:41

Sallybear - does he whine to go out when he needs a drink? Or maybe he doesn't drink much? Our puppy drinks loads, a bowl full several times a day! Loads more than any other dog I've known or looked after.

He woke the whole house one night at 2am because his water bowl was empty! He barked like mad till I worked out what it was, filled it and he guzzled loads down before flopping back to sleep. So he also pees loads too, I'm not sure outside bowl would work but I might try that.

Buddysmom · 30/09/2013 21:54

OMG OMG!!!!!!!! Can I join you lot of crazy canine lovers????? ppppplllleeeeaaaaasssseeeeee????? Im mummy to Buddy, he's 18 weeks and my gorgeous Black Lab. Goes everywhere with me. I have two anklebiters who are now both at school. I work at home and also do some freelance work but luckily Buddy comes with me. He is still in a pen in the kitchen but its big enough for him, his water and a training mat. I've been into the teaching him he isn't the alpha dog thing and its working a treat!!

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SallyBear · 30/09/2013 22:09

Hi Buddysmom. Welcome to our thread!

Everlong - You need to go back to basics with Enzo. He needs a refresher with a treat. You gradually withdraw the treat over time. But it's really important that you do an exaggerated hand movement - arm out with treat visible and bend at the elbow with the treat going upwards. Eventually he will recognise the arm movement with or without the reward. Important to praise really well each time.

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mintchocchick · 30/09/2013 22:19

We've really gone backwards tonight - had the puppy from hell launching himself at us, climbing onto sofa, barking when pushed down. Really barking at me when I was trying to put him in the kitchen, twisting his body round to try and bite my hand, scared me a bit actually as he went a bit snarly almost. DH thought I was over reacting but he went really manic and I felt like I had no control at all. DS1 had legs up high on back of sofa and could hardly move from sofa to get upstairs to bed.

Earlier in evening we gave him the remainder of the pigs ear that he'd chomped on last Friday night. It stank and was revolting but he loved it, until I got fed up with the smell, took if from him and put in bin. I'm wondering if having that started him off this manic behaviour.

He's crashed now and is asleep. Maybe an evening walk would tire him out in a good way and prevent this?

I agree about the exaggerated hand action for 'sit' and treat - I use that hand movement to show I've got a treat, but that I'm keeping it up high until I get the sit. After a while the hand action gets him into a sit more than the verbal command.

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