poodle cross thread.

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Just wanted to let everyone know that this thread has been deleted at my and dogs best friends request. I dont know how much to say so will leave it for dbf to update you further if anyone is wondering why.

I did say (or at least I THINK I did) that I wasn't sure about F1 shedding and asked for confirmation or correction. Apologies if I dreamt that but I THINK that's what I said!

If it's any compensation I have a Lab X who looks like a Lab and2 GSD, one long haired and one short-ish haired, HereBefore. The long coat boy is fine... it's my short-ish haired boy who tests my Dyson to the limits! Swap you a moulty GSD for a (I'm sure, it's gotta be so) less moulty Doodle? :o

(but only if your Doodles have the turn on a sixpence recall that shorty-ish haired GSD2 has!).

herebefore - "As for Poodle crosses not being bred to work, try telling that to the breeders who regularly donate puppies to Canine Partners and other similar charities.." actually i think you misrepresent breeders "regularly" donating poodle crosses to work as assistance dogs

"Whatever the reasons for choosing Poodle crosses I'm sure the people whose lives have been changed for the better by their wonderful dogs who have been the result of good, careful breeding feel the dogs and their breeders are worth their weight in gold!" i think this could be misleading too. ime people with assistance dogs feel gratitude towards the charity that helped them and not the breeder. it doesnt matter to them whether dog is poodle cross, lab, heinz 57. (dont like to speak for other people but your comments have made me cross. it felt as if you were bringing up the disabled aspect in respect to breeders and this could give a false impression to people reading this thread)

"However some of the comments, particularly on the previous thread, were directed towards Poodle crosses in particular and were IMO at best uninformed." i thought the posters who referred to poodle crosses were a vet and a an experienced breeder. i found their opinions credible

Sorry DBF, I get carried away, as I say passionate about my dogs and the cross in general, can mean i'm a bit vocal at times! :-)). Yes, F1s generally shed like nothing on earth, they usually have a scruffy/shedding coat (although some do inherit more of a Poodle coat).

I'm afraid my scruffy's recall is similar to her coat, it falls down at times! grin

As a volunteer homechecker and transporter for the Labradoodle Trust can I urge people to look at their website for more info on Doodles www.labradoodletrust.com/ and for help with breeders try the Doodle Post forum, breeders who advertise need to meet stringent requirements and have their paperwork verified by the site owner.

I'll crawl back under my rock now and leave you all to it! smile

Sorry Newchicken, just seen your post, I was not playing down the involvement of the charities and organisations training the dogs, I was in this case thinking more of people I know of who have gone to breeders for assistance dogs and been helped through the whole process and helped to choose an appropriate pup by an experienced reputable breeder.

Also unfortunately I do not have the original thread in front of me to identify the exact comments but these were not the comments from the vet or the breeder particularly and certainly not any comments against the despicable trade of puppy farming. There were however many general nasty comments directed at Poodle crosses and people who own them, and I would stand by my comment of misguided for these particular posts.

"Sorry DBF, I get carried away, as I say passionate about my dogs and the cross in general, can mean i'm a bit vocal at times! :-) "

No need for apology at all. We're both on the same side (independent network all breed rescuer, volunteer for all breed rescue and rescue fosterer here :) ). I have a lot of respect for the Labradoodle Trust, good on yer. :)

And believe me, as for getting a bit vocal... I win hands down on that score, trust me! :o

I know DBF, yer kind of scary at times! . I like to help the Trust any way I can. IMO Poodle crosses are here to stay so why slate those who are doing a good job, just like any breed, if the bad breeders were put a stop to then the pressure on rescue would be eased, good breeders check out their new puppy owners thoroughly and also take back their puppies if need be, this happens with reputable breedersin the Doodle world too. It's the breeders who give their pups (whichever breed) to anyone with the cash and who think their responsibility ends when the money is banked who cause a large chunk of the issue.

I agree with the comments that there are good and bad breeders of all pedigree breeds and crosses, far more than decent ones in fact. Sadly, KC registration is absolutely no mark of quality, seeing as around 90% of KC registrations are from 'volume breeders', eg. puppy farmers. A proportion of the rest are from BYB's and less than desirable breeders, so you can see what a tiny proportion of KC registrations are from good, responsible and ethical breeders. Then when you further consider there are over 40,000 (each breed!) registrations of both Labradors and Golden Retrievers alone each year, both breeds which are hugely exploited by puppy farmers and BYB's you can see why the rescue situation is in such a dreadful state and so many dogs are being put to sleep each year.

Even more sadly, the KC accredited breeder scheme, which should and could be a mark of quality is nothing of the sort. Health tests are not mandatory at all and inspections of breeders are few and far between. There are no specific requirements to belong to the KC accredited breeder scheme, you needn't have even bred a litter yet and there is no upper limit to how many litters you may produce in a year. In fact, they have an 'accolade' for breeders having produced '5 or more litters' but this could be over any period of time, so say, 6 months, which is obviously not a good thing. Breeding 5 litters is something good breeders would take around 15 years to achieve. Worse still, some of those on the AB scheme are in fact, puppy farmers and BYB's.

As was seen by the other thread, puppy farmers are extremely clever at saying what seem to be all the right things and creating a good impression for the general public. It's a huge shame that a very well documented programme a few years ago wasted time 'exposing' pedigree dog breeding instead of educating the general public on how to find a good breeder, regardless of what they were breeding or how to find a good rescue.

Here, here to everything that has been said about spotting a good breeder. The other thing I would like to add as it makes me weep on a daily basis is the statement ' We got this pupppy from X because it was half the price of the other puppies out there' I then ask have you seen the parents health checks 'oh no' - well then there is a reason why this puppy was cheap. i can't bring myself to be mean enough to describe all the potential health problems they are at risk of developing.

Sorry Midori, am I being thick - what's a BYB?

BYB - Back Yard Breeder.

The person who breeds his bitch with any old dog (of either the same or different breed) without having a clue and without regard for health checks, breed standards and improvement etc, just so they can make a few bucks or because their dog is cute/the man down the road has a nice male dog/they want the kids to see pups born/they think a bitch should have at least one litter/insert equally stupid reason.

Generally speaking, they're the "breeders" you'll see advertising in your pet shop window/free ads/local paper classifieds or will be the man down the road or parent in the school playground passing around the word that they have pups for sale or twat like the one on MN yesterday who allowed her bitch to breed with it's own father.

Doh! Yes, I was being thick Thanks!