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i think my dog's pg, do i need to do anything?

99 replies

MrsRhettButler · 30/08/2010 00:18

hi, i think my little staffie is pg, she was jumped on at least 3 times by my other dog last time she was in season (about 4 weeks ago) and she is looking portly around the belly and her nipples are swollen

will she be ok if left to do her thing? do i need to do anything special? i've always had dogs but never a pg one so just need to know what if anything i need to do, thanks

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kid · 30/08/2010 00:55

'ok, i didn't realise that, i have known people to be allowed to keep pits when they have been able to prove that they are responsible owners so didn't know that other breeds would be taken!'

I thought no-one was allowed to own a pitt, regardless to whether they were responsible or not.

kid · 30/08/2010 00:56

My friends sbt has had 2 litters. First litter she had 10 pups, 2nd litter she had 7!

LuckySalem · 30/08/2010 00:57

Some pitts have been allowed to be released but they have rules.

I thnk soe of the rules were muzzled at all times, castrated and no time offlead (that isnt a life for a dog)

Vallhala · 30/08/2010 00:59

See here

This is in Ireland. The same thing happens over here only strays have 7 days in the pound before they can be killed. As in Ireland, UK dogs who are handed into the pound can be killed immediately. I can vouch for this being an accurate example of some of the BETTER cases I have seen. My first involvement with rescue was in getting dogs out of pounds like this and worse. A baptism of fire.

booyhoo · 30/08/2010 01:00

why are some of the dogs being returned with injuries and weight loss and behavioural issues. were are they being kept? surely the council has an obligation to ensure the welfare of these animals?

MrsRhettButler · 30/08/2010 01:00

oh, thats terrible vall, have signed the petitions :( poor poor family and lennox has nothing yet been decided?

going to look at your links now salem

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Vallhala · 30/08/2010 01:01

Kid, from the KC website:

Q. What is a pit bull terrier type dog
A. Section 1 of the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 relates to dogs of the type known as the pit bull terrier. The High Court has decided that for a dog to be a pit bull type, it must have a substantial number of the physical characteristics of a pit bull terrier. These characteristics are listed in a number of places, and probably the most comprehensive (and that generally relied on by Courts) is the American Dog Breeders Association?s Basis of Conformation for the American Pit Bull Terrier. This is a functional standard which describes the ideal, and so the dog does not have to conform in every detail to be regarded as a pit bull type. DEFRA has produced guidance which summarises some of the main physical aspects of a pit bull terrier (see ?DEFRA guidance on prohibited dogs? which can be accessed via the links page on this site)Q. But I have a dog with a nice temperament. Surely this can?t be regarded as a pit bull type
A. The High Court has ruled that the behaviour of a dog is relevant but not conclusive when determining whether a dog is a pit bull type

Q. Surely there is a DNA test that can be used
A. Not at present. In any event, the legal test is predominantly on the basis of physical conformation so it isn?t just about the breeding but is about what the dog looks like.

Q. Doesn?t the law just apply to pure bred pit bulls
A. No. Cross-breeds and mongrels could be regarded as pit bull types depending on their physical conformation.

Q. How does the prosecution prove their case

A. In Court the burden of proof is on the dog owner to prove that the dog isn?t a pit bull type. This reversal of the usual burden of proof has been challenged in the European Court, but has been found to be lawful. It is therefore very difficult to successfully defend a case. The evidence is likely to be given by experts.

Q. Can a pit bull type dog ever be lawfully owned
A. Owners were given a short period of time to have their dogs registered onto the Index of Exempted Dogs, but this form of voluntary registration ended in 1991. Since 1997 the law has been slightly relaxed, so that if an owner is prosecuted for possession of an unregistered pit bull type dog the Court may allow the dog to be registered (and all of the other conditions must be complied with) but only if the owner can prove that the dog would not constitute a danger to public safety. If this cannot be proven then the Court must order that the dog be destroyed.

Q. What are the conditions of owning a pit bull type apart from having the dog registered
A. The dog has to be neutered, microchipped, tattooed and insured. Also, no person shall:
Breed, or breed from, the dog
Sell or exchange the dog or offer, advertise or expose the dog for sale or exchange
Make or offer to make a gift of the dog or advertise or expose the dog as a gift
Allow the dog to be in a public place without being muzzled and kept on a lead
Abandon the dog or allow it to stray

Q. What would happen if any of the conditions are breached after a dog has been registered
A. It is a criminal offence and in addition to penalties for the Defendant there is a presumption that the dog shall be destroyed

booyhoo · 30/08/2010 01:02

this is making me terribly sad for all these poor dogs. i knew it happened but i am very naive about exactly to what extent.

Vallhala · 30/08/2010 01:06

Nothing decided as yet about Lennox.

Booy, who knows? The owners are not allowed to know where the holding kennel is and therefore cannot see their dog. Even those of us involved in rescue can't seem to find out as dogs get moved about though often we can narrow the odds down to a few kennels within the county in question.

Some dogs pine, some, I suspect, are treated with minimal care and fear - not everyone who works in these places feels as Lucky and I do. You only have to know/see/hear of how some pound managers and a percentage of their staff view their charges to know that. In some cases it's like putting your child in a nursery run by Moira Hindley.

booyhoo · 30/08/2010 01:09

that is awful.

am i right in thinking these employees aren't always choosing to be in that job role? is it a low paid role?

LuckySalem · 30/08/2010 01:09

They are police pounds that they are kept in normally (although most of the time the details wont be released)

I've been trying to find links of pics to show you but the only place i've found them is youtube so hope you can see this.

I REALLY wish we could get it out to everyone what is going on.

Same with the RSPCA - so many people are no unaware that the RSPCA no longer takes handins from public. So all the "little" rescue centres without the £1000's of advertising are footing the bill and so more dogs are being destroyed as the owners who can't keep them are just turning them over to pounds who destroy within 7 days!

MrsRhettButler · 30/08/2010 01:10

its ridiculous, the dog on my street had actually bitten someone! and was allowed back! but these harmless dogs are taken because of looks

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LuckySalem · 30/08/2010 01:12

GUYS DO NOT CLICK ON THAT LINK ITS THE WRONG ONE AND THERE ARE HORRIBLE IMAGES ON THAT ONE!!

SORRY

booyhoo · 30/08/2010 01:17

thanks lucky, i wont click.

Vallhala · 30/08/2010 01:17

Please remember too that what you read in the press about dogs being killed for want of homes is only the tip of the iceberg. Even rescue forums aren't able to be as publicly open as they'd like. I don't know about Lucky, but certainly my local rescue, for whom I'm a hands on volunteer and fosterer, has a private part of the forum. Here we discuss things that we can't on the main board, for fear of making things worse for the dogs and for our relationships with pounds and the big rescues.

I'll give you an example - a dog is in the care of a rescue I know of. He's a Bull breed but definitely not a Pit or restricted breed. His owner took him at first to a big rescue as they had family reasons for needing to rehome.

The big rescue said that they wouldn't take the dog, although they had space, as he was unhomeable as a large bull breed and told him to take the lovely friendly dog, whom I have met and fussed as have my kids, to the vet and have him killed.

That isn't something we can mention on the forum because it could cause difficulty with the big rescue.

Likewise I know of more than one rescuer who gets dogs out of both a big rescue and their animal hospitals off the record and "out of the back door" so to speak, with the help of some kinder vets and staff employed by the rescue as otherwise they will be PTS. That's kept quiet on the rescue forums where these people speak and rehome too, or they would never be permitted to save another dog - the big rescue would put a stop to it.

Vallhala · 30/08/2010 01:19

There are horrible images on the link "See here" I posted too Lucky, but sadly it's the truth. :(

LuckySalem · 30/08/2010 01:24

Yes we are the same, issues are not made public.

Please if you want to help, go to your local shelter and offer to foster/homecheck new homes/transport dogs/fundraise....

unfortunately the LOCAL rescues are the ones who are dealing with all these dogs in rescues and they dont have the funds/resources/publicity that the BIG rescues do.

MrsRhettButler · 30/08/2010 01:27

Shock the dogs in the bins :( :( :(

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MrsRhettButler · 30/08/2010 01:29

that was really sad vall but i'm glad i saw it, i never knew the extent before

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booyhoo · 30/08/2010 01:31

i am not clicking on that one either val. i know that is very wimpy of me but i can't bear to see it, i just can't. it's not a case of "if i don't see it, it isn't real." i know it is real, it is very real but i just can't bear to see those poor animals. when i first opened this thread i googled pitbull dogs to see exactly what lucky meant when she said about the appearance and even some of those images were hard to take.

Vallhala · 30/08/2010 01:42

Booy, I'll tell you a secret. I haven't watched the whole video either though I've known of it for a while now.

For one thing I KNOW what happens in the pounds. I've dealt with these bastards. (And yes, some of them ARE bastards).

For another, I couldn't see through the tears.

LuckySalem · 30/08/2010 01:44

As long as you are aware of whats happening you do not need to put yourself through the trauma of seeing it.

I think its a perfect video for those who refuse to believe it.

booyhoo · 30/08/2010 01:48

i know i would be exactly the same val. my eyes fill up just at the thought of it going on tbh. my mind has created the images and they are bad enough without me confirming them.

LuckySalem · 30/08/2010 10:15

How is she this morning MrsRhett?

MrsRhettButler · 30/08/2010 15:55

she's fine thanks salem, she's sunbathing in the garden, she's definitely looking a little tubby round the tummy and shes eating more than usual! i'm going to call the vet tomorrow for an appointment :)

i can't feel any movement when i touch her tummy though, would you normally feel movement after 4/5 weeks? it just feels very tight

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