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Jamie Oliver is a twat!!!

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MrsMertle · 30/09/2008 22:55

Discuss......

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expatinscotland · 01/10/2008 09:13

the depression card.

yes, that has to get played every time (swallows sertraline tablet).

fuckin' hell, when are people going to stop wringing their hands and accept some goddamned personal responsibility for hteir actions?

SIL, she's wrecked her life and lost her kids and still refuses to step up to the plate.

'oh, poor thing' 'oh, she's had it hard' 'oh, blah blah blah blah'.

no, it's not easy to do much of anything when you're depressed.

black dog? yeah, BIG HUGE shaggy black dog.

'oh, but you're so 'lucky' to be able to cope.'

no, see, when you have kids, that's not a choice anymore.

you went and had them. you decided to keep them.

now you do your fucking job to the best of your abilities or don't cry foul when you refuse to help yourself and fail those kids because it was easier on you just to throw up your hands and use depression/poverty/bad upbringing, etc. as an excuse to be lazy and blame the government, Jamie Oliver, supermarkets, schools, etc. for all your damn problems.

and i'm not talking about benefits or scroungers or whatever because to be quite frank i don't give a flying fuck if people are on them as long as it's a legit claim.

but i'm here to tell you folks, i come from a place where there isn't much of a welfare system at all, so using the 'it sucks being on benefits, therefore i feed my kids shite' is the biggest excuse for laziness i have ever come across.

or the northerner excuse (whatever the fuck that is). or depression. or even some disabilities.

'oh, just because you did it doesn't mean everyone can.'

yeah, i guess that's true.

because some folks just can't be fucking arsed.

and that's why i don't think JO is a twat, but i think he's spitting in the wind sometimes.

expatinscotland · 01/10/2008 09:15

and stop blaming the goddamned government for every shortfall in society and then getting het up at 'nanny state' dictates like Healthy Eating policies in schools.

brimfull · 01/10/2008 09:16

bravo expat

we don't know we're lucky in this country with the help people get

Peachy · 01/10/2008 09:16

He is a prat, or at least his minions are.

They implemented his new rules in special schools. For all kids- even asd ones who won't eat. So all these kids who had made great progress with tiny babysteps suddenly got pulled off their programs and given food they wouldn't touch in a million yeras.

Fab .

Didn't affect me but people I know; wrote an got a letter abck- those kids should have been taught to eat properly.

I do appreciate what he has done for schoolkids in mainstream and wish it would be implemented here in Wales (we still get chips twice a week and hotfog / burger / pie and chips considered an acceptable school lunch) but FGS widen your horizons a little bit old man!

dittany · 01/10/2008 09:17

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BecauseImWorthIt · 01/10/2008 09:17

Hear, hear.

Peachy · 01/10/2008 09:18

Agree ExPat; dh on meds for life and stil holds down 2 jobs, cares jointly for the kids and manages all their paediatrician appointments. Even if it got so bad (as it has done) he couldn't work he still managed then to haul arse out of bed and do the boys things each day, coz well- you have to.

expatinscotland · 01/10/2008 09:19

nah, i think he should just send her to Uganda with my landlords and she can try to find a takeaway in that place. or get her hands on some rice.

brimfull · 01/10/2008 09:19

I honestly don't see what the problem is with what JO is trying to do.

WHy i it wrong to teach people to cook a decent meal?

expatinscotland · 01/10/2008 09:22

i'm not saying it can be done in all cases, Peachy. and i know it's hard, but it's too often used as excuse to absolve oneself of taking any personal responsibility at all.

well, that's about the least helpful thing.

i remember after my divorce and spiralling into high-functioning alcoholism - lack of welfare system means you have to hang onto a job - and a recovering alcoholic said, 'What are you doing? You'll still have all your problems AND you'll be an alcoholic, too.'

of course, he was right.

dittany · 01/10/2008 09:23

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Peachy · 01/10/2008 09:23

I grw up in an estate on te derivation index- am not a Northener (but still like a kebab on occasion lol)

Mum & Dad were normal; Dad worked, Mum raised us.

We didn't get salmon but they gave us all the goodness we needed- apparently as kids we love fishcakes made from sardines (loads of omega oils), grew our own fruit and veg, didn't eat salt. Puds were for occasions only.

There's many ways to skin a cat but he seems to latch onto more costly ones.

sinkingfast · 01/10/2008 09:26
amess · 01/10/2008 09:28

MrsMertle I agree but then that is what they all do. They can't treat people as ordinary because they would have to agree with too many things and that's not going to make a programme. That said it does make me switch over/off and yet I would like to see the decent information bits it's the fillers and patronising attitude of such programmes that makes me switch off and I certainly will not buy their books/off-shoots eg bags, crockery, etc.

edam · 01/10/2008 09:28

Peachy, do you think anyone has explained your point about special schools to Jamie himself? Because maybe you could put pressure on him to make the people setting and implementing the policy sort themselves out. Or try Prue Leith (school food trust).

fircone · 01/10/2008 09:29

No one ever taught me to cook.

I wouldn't say I'm a great cook now, but economics and a bit of sense tell me that it's better to buy the ingredients and cook from scratch rather than to spend oodles of money on takeaways and readymeals.

So how come some of the people on that programme didn't get it? How can you spend on takeaways non-stop and not realise that they are taking a huge slice out of your weekly budget? How can you stand there in what looks like a very fancy kitchen with every gadget going and then weep that you can't afford proper food? I DON"T UNDERSTAND!

Mercy · 01/10/2008 09:31

Agree with dittany's last post

BecauseImWorthIt · 01/10/2008 09:31

Pan frying a bit of fish is surely basic cooking though, dittany?

Doesn't have to be salmon, (although it might as well be because I reckon it's probably cheaper than cod/haddock at the moment,) it's the principle of it that's important.

And let's face it, showing people how to boil an egg isn't exactly riveting television. People have to be engaged and see appetising things being cooked to want to re-create these dishes for themselves, surely?

ledodgy · 01/10/2008 09:32

I agree with Expat. You can get all the stuff he was cooking last night at lidl, Aldi and Netto alot cheaper than it would cost a family of 4 to buy donner meat and cheese and chips every night.

dittany · 01/10/2008 09:34

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Peachy · 01/10/2008 09:35

Edam I dd contact him (a few of us on SN did back at the start of the campaign), the letetr was ostentatiously from him IIRC but I do doubt that obv.

The way it seems to work now ime is that each time a new rule comes in we cannot adhere to (eg the water only thing) we have to yell DDA! then that supersedes it

Which is faff and makes me feel like some litigious twat when all I want is for ds3 to get a drink but at least theres a soltion, of sorts

MrsTweedy · 01/10/2008 09:36

I agree with expat, a lot of people are just fecking lazy and don't want to change, and will come up with a whole lot of reasons why they can't change.

Possibly the reason why the recipes are salmon & basil etc are that the production team decided that anything less wouldn't be Jamie's style, and the cooking middle-classes who buy his books wouldn't watch him teach how to boil an egg, but still want to use his basic recipes IYSWIM.

I think he may well be a prat, but not a twat, as it is down to his School Dinners programme and some fantastic parents at our school that we were the first in the borough to break away from Scolarest and have good school meals (which were praised in our recent outstanding Ofsted report)

ledodgy · 01/10/2008 09:36

A takeaway was an unusual treat when i was growing up usually a Chines on a Birthday. In those days there was a chippy locally and that was it. If you wanted a chinese takeaway you'd have to get it from an actual restaurant. Now there seems to be takeaways popping up everywhere from the copious amount of leaflets I keep getting through my door. That is probably a factor too.

ledodgy · 01/10/2008 09:37

*Chinese

BecauseImWorthIt · 01/10/2008 09:37

Sorry - but can someone explain to me why salmon and basil are 'middle class' or unattainable?

Both are readily available in any big supermarket and not expensive!